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2002-02-26 03:57:45 PM
You'd lay there after you'd drunk the old moloko and then you got the messel that everything all round you was sort of in the past.
 
2002-02-26 03:58:54 PM
As a political party for government it couldn't exist until America had a government.

However, Whig was a classification used by the American Revolutionaries from 1768 (roughly the time of the Stamp and Townshend Acts) through the beginning of the Revolution (1775 was Lexington and Concord, 1776 was the Declaration of Independence). It signified their opposition to British rule, more or less.

Whigs and Tories. Whigs=colonists in support of self-rule (as of 1776, before then it was a little more complicated). Tories=British rule.
 
2002-02-26 03:59:11 PM
"Ahh... but if everybody hunts for themselves, then they will need less restrictive gun laws (which I'm totally down for), but many people would cry about it."

Er, unless you're hunting Bambi with something like an Uzi or AK-47, hunting rifles are pretty easy to get. The main bar for ME hunting my own food is a dislike of being up early in the morning, cold as a well-digger's ass, just so I can blow out the brains of some animal (delicious though it might be), clean & dress it, freeze it, thaw it, and then eat it. It's much easier to go peruse the drive-through.
 
2002-02-26 03:59:38 PM
This thread is giving me a headache. If you can't find anything wrong with a government selectivly enforcing laws at campaign contributor's behest, do us all a favor and take yourself out of the voting pool.
 
2002-02-26 03:59:40 PM
i'm most fascinated by 'fark stars' and their legions of followers. very interesting.

funny, like PETA
 
2002-02-26 04:00:00 PM
Blue Owl:
Sure .. putting those dogs in one room is fine, just so long as I get to eat them later.

PETA Proudly Eating Tortured Animals
 
2002-02-26 04:00:37 PM
What's with all you veggie heads trying to say that if we hate PETA then we hate animals?

Reminds me of political ads that try to guild people into voting for someone "for the children" because "You don't hate children, do you?"

We aren't talking about beating dog for fun here, I think everyone here is against that despite the silly jokes.

I for one support the ASPCA, and detest PETA.

They are not the same thing, not even close. If we were attacking the ASPCA then you might be able to claim we were these big nasty animal haters, but just beacuse we are attacking an fanatic extremist group most people disagree with it doesn't follow that we suppost inhumane practices like cat juggling.
 
2002-02-26 04:00:43 PM
"as if we don't support human rights just because we support animal rights."

Exactly. It doesn't have* to be one OR the other. We can still have meat on the table and raise these animals w/o the ridiculous methods we use now.

And MeowSpider, Fark has a long standing tradition of being host conformity fanatics(!)---but they all think they're freedom fighters at the same time. Bizzare.
 
2002-02-26 04:00:47 PM
PETA scared and scarred lots of little chiltlins at the circus in Orlando.

My goal is to get a louder bull horn than they have, and practice my 1st ammendment rights, as sung to "Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida"

On one hand, I don't like animal abuse, in the other hand, is a cheeseburger.

Cheeseburger wins.

(I don't actually eat too much red meat for health reasons, but hey, that's my bag)
 
2002-02-26 04:01:01 PM
Not_Enginerd don't look up Whig PARTY. Look up Whig and American Revolution. Maybe then you'll get it right. Numbnut.
 
2002-02-26 04:01:45 PM
Plasmator: So your solution is don't kill a few hundred innocents now, let these countries develop nuclear weapons, let them kill a few million innocents, then you'll gladly go off and fight and die for your country. But we shouldn't do a thing until most of our major cities are smoldering crators.
 
2002-02-26 04:05:28 PM
Is SPAM considered meat?
 
2002-02-26 04:05:45 PM
Hey guys, i think PETA is comprised mostly of farking morons and pussies, but if this happens, will they try to take out NORML too?
 
2002-02-26 04:06:19 PM
I submitted this this morning, but it did not make it:

http://www.activistcash.com/

Presently trying to remove PETA's non-profit status...

According to a July 26, 2000, Associated Press story, out of the 2,103 animals that PETA "rescued" during 1999, a whopping 1,325 of them were
euthanized (put to sleep) anyway. Considering the organization's budget during that same year (over $17 million), its cash reserves at the time (over $4 million), and its
history of rushing to the defense of even the scrawniest laboratory rat when TV cameras are rolling, it's shocking that the group would sentence all of those cats and
dogs to the needle.

While PETA and the other groups condemn scientific research involving animals (90 percent of which are rodents, according to Americans for Medical Progress, a
pro-research foundation), they spend a pittance on animal shelters. Eleven million animals are destroyed annually for lack of facilities. Yet PETA spent less than $3,955
of its $12 million in fiscal year 1995 and $6,100 of its $10.9 million in fiscal 1996 for shelter programs, according to its nonprofit tax forms filed with the IRS.

In contrast, PETA sent $70,500 in 1995 to Rodney Coronado, a convicted arsonist and avowed member of the domestic-terrorist group called the Animal Liberation
Front. Coronado served a five-year federal prison sentence for a 1992 animal-rights-related firebombing at Michigan State University.

Unapologetic about its ties to domestic terrorism, PETA also made a cash donation in 2001 to the North American Earth Liberation Front, a group that the FBI has called a
domestic terrorist organization.
 
2002-02-26 04:06:30 PM
TIME TO END THIS THREAD

 
2002-02-26 04:06:32 PM
Not_Enginerd, I think his point is that American's behave as if we represent 99% of the world, when in fact we represent only 270 million of 7 billion.
 
2002-02-26 04:07:17 PM
Mmmmm... veal *drool*
 
2002-02-26 04:08:18 PM
"i wear my politics on my sleeve"
 
2002-02-26 04:08:49 PM
Those PETA people make me so dang mad I want to go out and punch a baby dog in the gut. Then I'd go out beat those PETA people like a circus monkey!
 
2002-02-26 04:09:02 PM
A lot of you seem to be missing the point that PETA isn't donating to ALF and ELF to perform terrorist acts, they donate to the legal defense of people charged. Last I heard, there is a Constitutional right of defense for every accused person. Major difference. Of course that assumes you believe in the Constitution in the first place...

ALF and ELF are not organized as a group. They are grassroots and anyone who wants to do something in their name is welcome to. I know of people who have spiked trees in timber areas but have done it only once and claimed ELF. These are not (uaually) individual people performing muliple acts but many people performing just one which is why they are so difficult to track down or even stop. There's no way to prevent a spur of the moment act of torching logging trucks when a person is out for a day hike and sees the trucks parked and no one around.

I don't necessarily support the acts but the goal is a good one. Here's a simple logic. If the eviros are found to be wrong in 50 or 100 years, nothing's gone other than a little economic loss. If the developers/loggers/whatever are found to be wrong in 50 or 100 years, it's gone forever. Which way do you really think would be the best way to err?
 
2002-02-26 04:09:11 PM
Best news I've had all day,

So, when can I file a criminal complaint with the local DA?
 
2002-02-26 04:09:51 PM
PETA is still around?

I thought they ate each other years ago.
 
2002-02-26 04:10:33 PM
Not_Enginerd

No,
I simply don't believe that they'll fire nuclear weapons knowing full well that we'll fire them right back.

No one wants global thermonuclear war.

Killing innocent americans is not acceptable, killing innocent Afghanis is...

Funny, in Afghanistan, it's the other way around.

There IS the option to Stop killing each other, but everyone's so terribly afraid that if they don't kill the other guy, the other guy will kill them.

What's wrong with just spending all our money on Defense? Pull the troops back to the states, keep them here ready to defend our country in times of war, develop a missile shield.

All the bombs do is add support for the causes of the terrorists. When all you've known all your life is bombs falling on your country, you'll follow anyone who promises to get that country back.

If we were not occupying land that didn't belong to us, 9/11 would NOT have happened. Bin Laden's main goal all along, his main driving support has been the oppression of America, our occupation of our holy lands.

Money for defense, pull the troops out of other countries, and deal with the problems we have here at home. China will soon have nukes capable of overcoming even our best proposed Nuclear shield. You'd think we'd do our best to AVOID pissing off other countries, because no matter what, we can't keep the technology out of their hands forever.

Peace takes work, tolerance, and compassion, not bombs.
 
2002-02-26 04:10:35 PM
What is wrong with people wanting to treat animals ethicly? Who could oppose this?
 
2002-02-26 04:10:41 PM
This sucks, and you now why. Because this is only going to lead to the death of more of our civil liberties. We are soon going to find our selves in a facist state. And you gun addicts, and you porn addicts, and anything else that capital hill does not approve of will be called terrorism. I don't like PETA very much, and any illigal crime is just that. But cutting off funding is just another way to silence free speach. You people are FU.CKING IDIOTS if you do not see this.
 
2002-02-26 04:11:03 PM
Buddy_LeChrist, that isn't what I'm saying at all.. I'm trying to say that PETA is, in fact, NOT a fascist extreme group.

Instead, they're an organization that draws attention to their issue by using creative advertising methods and good-old-fashioned protests. Given, maybe some of their approaches aren't the smartest, but they draw attention the the actual issues at hand by making people remember who PETA is and what they're concerned about.
 
2002-02-26 04:11:09 PM
6 billion
 
2002-02-26 04:13:02 PM
Unless you can tell me that Oral Roberts is on deck to get his ass beat for donating to anti-abortion splinter groups, or that the record labels that promote RAHOWA are coming under scrutiny, one wonders whether or not the term 'terrorist' is being applied evenly.

I'm not a PETA fan whatsoever, but I think this is scary as hell.
 
2002-02-26 04:13:39 PM
sweet
 
2002-02-26 04:13:57 PM
Round and round she goes where she stops nobody knows!!!
 
2002-02-26 04:14:11 PM
I used to work with a dude that brought home some lobsters and put them in his bathtub to rescue them from thier horrible fate as someone's dinner.
of course, he used freshwater in the tub, and they died.
 
2002-02-26 04:15:27 PM
They should be. They terrorized little kids going to Burger King when they put "bloodied crowns" on their heads.

Those people are sick and are idiotic, and don't realize the consequences of their actions. We should use them as a food source.
 
2002-02-26 04:15:27 PM
Where are these odd extremes that people keep mentioning? I have been to a beef-processing plant. I saw the cows living (In a relatively open field, by the way), I saw them get shot in the head and then their throat slit, and I saw them get separated. I still eat beef, and I pride myself on knowing about that. I have also seen chicken processing on Reading Rainbow, and it seemed pretty neat! In fact, I eat chicken, because it is the best when grilled and then with some lemon thrown on it...but don't take my word for it!

duh duh duh! (In theme of Reading Rainbow "duh DUH duh")
 
2002-02-26 04:16:25 PM
 
2002-02-26 04:16:28 PM
Joke: What's a Vegetarian with diahrrea?

Wait for it.............

a "Salad Shooter"

PaganDave
 
2002-02-26 04:16:40 PM
He'd be a perfect member of PETA, FodderMan.

Injury through ignorance.
 
2002-02-26 04:16:44 PM
Vexhex

"But cutting off funding is just another way to silence free speach"

How?

- and what civil liberties have you lost or do you think you are going to lose because of this? not being able to burn buildings down in the name of the environment?
 
2002-02-26 04:17:09 PM
footnote: Anyone who opposes PETA, ALF, etc. being labeled a terrorist group, yet applauded when Bush signed the USA PATRIOT Act into law, is a goddamn hypocrite.
 
2002-02-26 04:17:30 PM
My point stands that just because ELF and ALF are going about things the wrong way, doesn't mean we can ignore them or treat them like unruly children. Britain tried that with the American Colonies and it ended up leading to a Revolution.

Just because Not_Enginerd can't figure out that there's a difference between Tories and Whigs in the American War for Independence context and the post-Revolution context doesn't mean it wasn't that way. In fact, Tories and Whigs have their roots dating back to the late 1680s and the Glorious Revolution in Englad. So he can keep thinking what he wants.

ALF, ELF, and their financial backers are culpable for the damage they do, but they can't be taken lightly. Just the same way that Al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups can't be taken lightly.
 
sos
2002-02-26 04:18:20 PM
Bamf75, I am not against treating animals ethicly. I am against the actions PETA takes to try to get support for their cause. Being violent and destructive to prove a point only proves that they are stupid.

By the way:
 
2002-02-26 04:18:21 PM
Plasmator: I agree most everyting you said, except the part about them not firing on us because of our retaliation, I think they would shoot anyway. Pulling all our troops back to the US will also not solve much the other countries would find new reasons to hate us.

So props to you Plasmator you win this argument.

the rest of you.....

READ THE ARTICLE THEY ARE TRYING TO STOP PETA FROM GIVING MONEY TO ARSONISTS

I need sleep....
 
2002-02-26 04:18:26 PM
fodderman, LOL!!! Did he remmeber to use lots of butter afterwards???
 
2002-02-26 04:19:58 PM
I personally dont think this is going anywhere. There are too many people in this country who think what PETA is doing is a benefit to society as a whole. I dont think they're terrorists. They are just an easy target because its funny to see their supporters get so incredibly fired up.
 
2002-02-26 04:20:33 PM
I'm not a violent person and my days of irrational anger are passed but I can see from many of you posting that there is a lot of anger out there. The point is funding. The Elf has cell groups as they are calling them now...sounds so Al Queda. What these groups do have are supporters who believe in the cause and are ruled by their own moral code. Some people are so angry at the injustices they perceive that they believe that the ends justify the means. Many people fall into this way of thinking. Many of you reading this do. The people who commit illegal acts should be the ones to answer for them. Why do we need to have a p!ssing contest between the vegetarians and the meat eaters? Codeweenie and Lurk, you seem to have a rational approach in my eyes and Blue Owl also makes good points. Urbn- scary association, we should not go off on THAT tangent. As for Asthmatic... I bet your asthma will improve if you avoid all that dairy.
 
2002-02-26 04:20:52 PM
Oh my God.

I've never won a political debate on the internet before.

There may be hope for the world after all.
 
2002-02-26 04:21:40 PM
PETA is Soylent Green!!!!!
 
2002-02-26 04:21:53 PM
"The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration."
- Michael W. Fox, vice president, The Humane Society of the United States


It's time for us to start raiding PeTA offices. Burn them to the ground and throw pigs blood on all their leaders.

And we should do the same to the arab terrorists.
 
2002-02-26 04:23:25 PM
 
2002-02-26 04:23:57 PM
PETA is fairly benign, albeit stupid, but they most likely provide "comfort and aid" to the assheads in ALF/ELF.

ALF are the motherfarkers who release lab animals who promptly die in the wild.
 
2002-02-26 04:23:58 PM
"I don't like PETA very much, and any illigal crime is just that. But cutting off funding is just another way to silence free speach."

Not every act of protest is protected under the First Amendment. You can't bomb an abortion clinic or commit vandalism against a fur manufacturer and call it free expression. Staging an annoying protest that gathers media attention, that's perfectly legal, as long as it is a peaceful kind of annoying that causes no property damage or harms people.

Groups like ELF cross the line. ALF crosses the line too. (especially that commercial with Terry Bradshaw) These groups aren't entitled to First amendment protection. And when PETA members inflict property damage, they are no longer entitled to the protection. (And if they make another ALF TV movie, they get no Fourth Amendment protection.)
 
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