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(Pravda)   Communism is alive and well in the US under the name of 'Political Correctness'   ( divider line
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2002-02-26 02:09:52 AM  
...under the name 'DEMOCRATIC PARTY' is more like it!!!
2002-02-26 02:09:57 AM  
A fitting usage of the OBVIOUS tag.
2002-02-26 02:11:01 AM  
That's it. I've seen it all. Russians calling Americans Communist.

Stop the ride, I want off.
2002-02-26 02:11:16 AM  
no SHEE-ITE Einstein!
2002-02-26 02:13:09 AM  
Well, the world is safe from Communism... but... for how long?
2002-02-26 02:15:07 AM  
Communism is just a form of government.... and in a perfect world it's a pretty good one thank you very much.

Fascism on the other hand, sucks. Too bad corrupted leaders can so easily change one into the other.
2002-02-26 02:17:56 AM  
2002-02-26 02:21:10 AM  

Authoritarian Communism and Fascism both suck--they are the same thing.

2002-02-26 02:21:12 AM  
Good point Flakeloaf. Communism could work if everyone put in their fair share, but realistically it will never happen. Don't worry though, the Dems want all our money so they can hand it out as they see fit. That's pretty much the same concept--the gov takes it away from us, then gives it back in the form of 'government programs'.

Keep a nice stock of T.P., buddy.
2002-02-26 02:21:20 AM  

Authoritarian Communism and Fascism both suck--they are the same thing.

2002-02-26 02:22:41 AM  
sorry for the double post
2002-02-26 02:23:07 AM  
The problem with all Eastern Europeans, including Croats, is an identity crisis and a deep inferiority complex.

Thank you Dr. Freud. You left out the part about the penis.
2002-02-26 02:27:50 AM  
"Marge, I agree with you -- in theory. In theory, communism works. In theory." -Homer
2002-02-26 02:28:05 AM  
Obvious tag is good, Scary tag would work as well.
2002-02-26 02:28:49 AM  
Jand: No, that's the Japanese.

Didn't Czechoslovakia pass a resolution right after the Berlin Wall fell stating that Communism and Fascism are the same thing?

Communism sucks. Always has, always will. Any political-economic system that uses force sucks.
2002-02-26 02:31:30 AM  
Only in a true democracy can there be communism.
2002-02-26 02:33:56 AM  
>>>>Flakeloaf: Communism is just a form of government.... and in a perfect world it's a pretty good one thank you very much.

There is SO much wrong with this post....

Have you farking read ANY history, political theory, or psychology??????

COMMUNISM IS SOCIETY WITHOUT GOVERNMENT AND WITH A COMMUNAL ECONOMIC BASE. Even the rulers of the Soviet Union ADMITTED (in the 50th Party Congress) that what they had was SOCIALISM, NOT Communism, and that they did not foresee the attainment of Communism for many years, if ever!!! FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH!!!!

Communism WON'T work, except under extremely controlled conditions where all of the population is constantly indoctrinated with idealistic babble. This is usually in a religious setting, BTW. Even then, it generally fails, as religious communes have been discovering for years. It works fine for ants, but - news flash - humans are not ants. Totally different psychology.
2002-02-26 02:38:14 AM  
good old FDR and all of those social programs that were meant to be temporary, but have lasted 65-70 years. we were pseudo-socialists fighting "the red scare". ahhh, irony.
2002-02-26 02:38:15 AM  
"Freedom is based on ownership. If it is possible for a person to own land and machines and buildings, it is also possible for him to have freedom of press, speech, and religion. But if it is impossible for a person to buy and sell land and other resources, then it is also impossible for him to have peaceful access to any effective means of disagreeing with the decisions of his government. Thus my contention is that, in the final analysis, human freedom stands or falls with the market economy of private ownership of the means of production and distribution."

- Dean Russell
2002-02-26 02:40:02 AM  
Communism, in its purist form, would probably never work in the U.S.; socialism would have to be be something everyone in the country would agree too, something that (thankfully) would never happen in the U.S. right? Oh, wait, 80% of people think W. is doing a good job (morons), but at least there's 20% who think he isn't (thankfully). Now, Marxist ideology could be married to a democracy, somehow, but I'm too tired to think about it right now so zzzzzz.......
2002-02-26 02:41:36 AM  
you're all just serfs to capital, singing the praise & glory of your consumer debt.

2002-02-26 02:41:40 AM  
"Only through their own struggle for liberation will ordinary people come to comprehend their true nature, suppressed and distorted within institutional structures designed to assure obedience and subordination. Only in this way will people develop more humane ethical standards, 'a new sense of right', 'the consciousness of their strength and their importance as a social factor in the life of their time' and their capacity to realise the strivings of their 'inmost nature.' Such direct engagement in the work of social reconstruction is a prerequisite for coming to perceive this 'inmost nature' and is the indispensable foundations upon which it can flourish"

-- Noam Chomsky, preface to Rudolf Rocker's Anarcho-Syndicalism, p. viii
2002-02-26 02:44:19 AM  
Bookman: I think you missed Flakeloaf jist: What he meant to mean was put quite eloquently by H.L. Mencken:

"The trouble with Communism is the Communists, just as the trouble with Christianity is the Christians."

Other pertinant Mencken quotes:

"Freedom of press is limited to those who own one."

"Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but has it as many as government? Has it as many as marriage? Has it as many as religion? I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health and vigor."

"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican."
2002-02-26 02:44:43 AM  
How does it become a man to behave toward the American government today? I answer, that he cannot without disgrace be associated with it. I cannot for an instant recognize that political organization as my government which is the slave's government also.

Henry David Thoreau
2002-02-26 02:46:48 AM  
Er, Harry, the slaver were freed.

By the Republicans.

Just thought you should know.
2002-02-26 02:47:24 AM  
Um, so were the slaves.

Fat fingers srike again.
2002-02-26 02:49:19 AM  
"There's nothing individualistic about corporations. These are big conglomerate institutions, essentially totalitarian in character, but hardly individualistic. There are few institutions in human society that have such strict hierarchy and top-down control as a business organisation. Nothing there about 'don't tread on me`. You're being tread on all the time." [Keeping the Rabble in Line, p. 280]
2002-02-26 02:55:02 AM  
Jeffalton: I know of no one in the US at least that's being forced to work for a corporation. Most people find comfort in being told what to do.
2002-02-26 02:59:56 AM  
When was fark hijacked by right-wing morons? Why are there all these flame bait posts lately?

That's all I have to say for now.
2002-02-26 03:00:03 AM  
WoodyTX, those wernt the same republicans tho. Up untill 1890 or so, Republican and Democrat had the opposite ideals they do today, Republicans wanted big federal government and taxes, Democrats wanted states rights and and such. Between 1890 and 1900 the parties gradually shifted to their present postions on the left-right map.
2002-02-26 03:03:47 AM  
How is that Communism?

Political Correctness came from a guilty part of the American psyche, spawned by too much drug-taking and "let's let our spirits fly, man" talk in the 60-70's. The hippies turned into yuppies but they kept intact their idealistic but naive intentions. From their two cars, garage, 1.5 kids, homes and Alan Thicke hair (Growing Pains was big at the time). . they decided that blacks shouldn't be called blacks anymore. I mean, c'mon dude, black sounds like such a bummer. Be proud of your African heritage, brother! You are Afro-American! Don't let my non-African American brothers push you around! I can dig growing up in the ghetto!

The huppies went to work; why they found offensive things everywhere! On stop signs, on television, in history books, on dogs' tails, in poetry, on cartons of milk. Hey man, why is that cow smiling? We raped him for his milk, brother!

The huppies had children. Those children are on the grasp of running the world. Everything can be misconstrued as "offensive" to somebody. Lets fix it. Lets edit history books. Lets change the story in the Bible. Lets not let others think for themselves.

Why this is a sad story is that there are legitamit offensive things in the world. There are bad things. But Political Correctness greys it all and by doing so, farks up its original farked up but good intentions.

Communism is just something the Russians pretend they're not. =)
2002-02-26 03:04:01 AM  

You know, most industrial nations permit some socialism in their economic system to help "patch" the holes in capitalism. Unfortunately, neither system is perfect. In reality, hard-line capitalism or hard-line communism causes major problems.

I speak as an american: We need some socialism, too. It'd be jobs; it'd be health care; it'd be well-being. We as a nation wouldn't let it spiral out of control. We just aren't that way. Then again, look at Enron and all the corporate abuse that is out there, then tell me all about how a "Free market" is best, especially when you're viewing this comment in Internet Explorer!

2002-02-26 03:19:44 AM  
I hear a lot of negative remarks about socialism and communism in this thread, but I think most fail to realize that one of the better known American institutions (the labour unions) is Marxist in origin. Think carefully before you spout ignorant rose fertilizer.
2002-02-26 03:33:52 AM  

"you're all just serfs to capital, singing the praise & glory of your consumer debt."

No, I'm a "slave" to a nice house, new car and tons of cash.

Happiest slave in the world, hippie.
2002-02-26 03:34:07 AM  

DaLinuxNut says "look at Enron and all the corporate abuse that is out there, then tell me all about how a "Free market" is best, especially when you're viewing this comment in Internet Explorer!"

Free market capitalism didn't contribute to the horrors of Enron or Microsoft. They both got to where they are/were through fraud and theft.

Look at the tech boom of the 90's ... technology advanced quicker than the government could regulate it ... the result being the biggest economic boom in the history of economics.

The problem in either case isn't the "free market" - it politicians playing favorites and letting people game the system.
2002-02-26 03:37:12 AM  
I fail to see how political correctness is communist or socialist. It is a different genre of problem whatsoever, and anyone attempting to say otherwise is falling prey to mindless jingoism.
2002-02-26 03:41:04 AM  

Whatever it is, it's rapidly becoming the downfall of humanity.
2002-02-26 03:45:00 AM  
Good interview, and an interesting man. Came off sounding like an intelligent, non-racist Patrick Buchannan (spelling?). The sort of guy Pat wishes he could be.
2002-02-26 03:49:35 AM  
Political correctness sucks.It seems to be wielded by a small societal group of skinny,pasty white "intellectual" people who feel that they have to take up causes for everyone else because they have guilt for being born white and privileged instilled in them by schools growing up.They spend all their time looking for offensive bogeymen everywhere,some even getting paid for it,and expect everyone(especially white people,for some reason) to feel bad about whatever they find.I'm not a racist,and like all races if they like me,but it is annoying to be considered part of the monster exploiter race by these pricks,especially considering that 1.I am not part of the elites who can waste time getting offended for other people or exploit others,and 2.I didn't get a choice in my skin color when I was born.So piss off,PCers!Work for change instead of getting hostile about everyone who doesn't conform to your worldview!
*All opinions courtesy of Kthulhu.May not reflect majority opinion.Thank you for your understanding.*
2002-02-26 03:52:58 AM  
The only solution lies in supra-statal pockets of cultural resistance by the Europeans in the USA, Chile, South Africa, Europe, all the way to Russia, i.e., in places where remnants of the European peoples still live. Failure to clearly define the enemy today may lead in the very near future to the definite demise of European heritage. Only in this extraterritorial way one must define oneself today as a European and no longer in a narrow autistic, chauvinistic, nation-state framework.

Sounds like Pat Buchanan...what is up with the crazy pan-european eugenics stuff lately?
Everyone screw everyone. <-- Actually Warren Beatty said something like that. I think. halle berry was there.
2002-02-26 04:19:09 AM  
Oh the poor oppressed white males of America.

Listening to them whine tell their tales of woe moves me so much.

I can hear the baby jesus cry.

2002-02-26 04:32:25 AM  
lol@ Harmonia.

I think the Russkies are gonna create an entirely new "ism" based on bits and pieces of other "isms". And the chess game will go on.
2002-02-26 04:32:56 AM  
Yeah, all you whiny nutbags who think yer soooo hot!

If you dont't like the idea of doing away with Christmas in favor of "Winter Festival", or letting a single wiccan decide what songs kids'll sing at their school program, or letting a librarian wear a cross pendant at work, or boiling the attack on Peral Harbor down to a statement more like, "On the morning of December 7th, numerous unexplained explosions were seen and heard at Pearl Harbor and Hickam Field..." just so ya don't offend the Japanese, or stopping a game of cow bingo because it humiliates the cow (and dammit, they ain't got the vote!)....GET OVER IT!!!

And remember, you can't call'em dikes anymore, they're women in comfortable shoes.
2002-02-26 04:46:57 AM  
>As for Ante Pavelic, the leader of WWII Croatia, his role
>must be put into his epoch, i.e., along with the Romanian,
>Corneliu Codreanu, the Fleming, Staf De Clercq, the
>Englishman, Oswald Mosley, the Russian-American, Anastase
>Vonsiatsky, the Spaniard, Franco, etc., and other real or
>would-be fascist leaders.

Slippery bastard.
2002-02-26 04:57:27 AM  
Poor Harmonia 2 another victim of America's new ruling class.

You nevers see a white guy as CEO any more or on the news. Congress is full of women and blacks, the senate has no straight white men.

Weep for the poor oppressed white men, in fact lets have a demonstration to free them!
2002-02-26 05:33:57 AM  
So self-loathing must take up a lot of your time, eh Harmonia?
2002-02-26 05:34:56 AM  
By the way, we're not white - we're Caucasian-American.
2002-02-26 05:49:54 AM  

dont engage in it EF, I am very happy with who I am and who other people are. I certainly dont fret about other racial groups, diversity is strenth IMHO.
2002-02-26 05:56:54 AM  
Nothing at all wrong with racial diversity, but everyone needs to stop this hyphenating business. If you're black and were born in the US, guess what? You're American.

I don't see this nonsense in other countries.
2002-02-26 06:00:21 AM  
Er, Harry, the slaver were freed.

By the Republicans.

Just thought you should know.

Yea. And then the first time they wanted to smoke pot in their own home, they were promptly enslaved again.

By the Republicans.

If you mixed in a history book, you too would know.
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