One thing which few outsiders realize is that the anti-medical marijuana crusaders are proponents of anal penetration with foreign objects. Try to imagine yourself being nauseous constantly forever. How would you introduce into your bloodstream a substance with beneficial properties? No, you can't always eat it, because it can just come back up again. That's the problem, after all. Smoking makes you cry, so what does that leave you? Yep. Suppositories. There's nothing like walking to the fridge when you're weak and vomiting in order to get a cold thing to stick up your ass. What you and John Ashcroft are into is your own damn business, but somehow I don't think you've got any right to tell me to participate. I think my doctors know more about medicine than some feds who travel thousands of miles to rifle through my medicine cabinet. Glad I'm paying for that government service.

I forgot...

Republicans: ensuring you can't buy a beer before going to church (check local listings).

TheRealG:

A stoner is someone who wakes + bakes more often than not.
A stoner is someone who lives in their parent's basement for lack of getting a REAL job.
A stoner is someone with no self-control.


Maybe these people need to be treated for their psychological problems, you know, see why they need to self-medicate themselves and stay in a constant altered state of conciousness. Maybe afterwards they can cut back to smoking at night, after their 9-to-5 is done, like normal people.

Compassion isn't just a buzzword for right-wingers...

It seems funny that if I had a pint of Bacardi 151 and a pack of Lucky Strikes plus a little weed on me that highly educated people(Supreme Court) would say its wrong for me to have weed but not bat an eye about the booze and smokes.
I know the other two are legal but thats the point, how do really smart people come to the conclusion that booze and tobacco are fine and dandy but weed isn't?
Serious, I don't understand how to make such a distinction.

F42
Maybe these people need to be treated for their psychological problems, you know, see why they need to self-medicate themselves and stay in a constant altered state of conciousness. Maybe afterwards they can cut back to smoking at night, after their 9-to-5 is done, like normal people

maybe.
but, I think they're just lazy.

Dano33

Just trust the government to make the distinction for you. After all, they have your best interests at heart.

/and I have some prime land in Florida to sell you

Dano33
It seems funny that if I had a pint of Bacardi 151 and a pack of Lucky Strikes plus a little weed on me that highly educated people(Supreme Court) would say its wrong for me to have weed but not bat an eye about the booze and smokes


They tried to ban alcohol before, but we as a cultre have been using alcohol for so long it didn't work.

Dano33:

I know the other two are legal but thats the point, how do really smart people come to the conclusion that booze and tobacco are fine and dandy but weed isn't?
Serious, I don't understand how to make such a distinction.


It's easy:

Their daddy smoked and drank, but never toked.

TheRealG: maybe.
but, I think they're just lazy.


I think some of them are just lazy.
I think some of the others never told anyone about that time uncle Bob came to their room at night, and it's eating them up inside.

/girls tell me stuff in confidence that depresses me.

hillbillypharmacist: there aren't any withdrawals when they cannot smoke.


But there's a craving, which people distort as withdrawl.

I'm not a marijuana user (and probably never will be, except possibly in a medical context), but prohibition of medical uses of this as a drug is idiotic. My mom's best friend has cancer, and she is probably going to die because she is constantly nauseous and has no hunger due to chemotherapy. Her daughter is seriously considering getting some marijuana illegally, in the hope that her mother can be saved. Unfortunately, I don't think she would take the marijuana even if they got it, since it's illegal. This is the same woman that smoked and drank for years, but those were completely legal. I believe in utilizing natural resources for their medicinal purposes, and prohibiting that is cruel and unusual punishment for those that have no other options.

hillbillypharmacist:

i think it is silly to allow marijuana to be illegal when other worse intoxicants are legal.

-how much tax revenue can be produced by selling it legally? how much money would you spend to be able to smoke without being hassled or the risk of going to jail?

-how much tax burden can be relieved through emptying the prisons of people prosecuted of selling/posession of marijuana? per capita, more people are in prison in the US than any other country.

-as a medical professional, i know that marijuana is not nearly as damaging as alcohol or cigarettes. moreover, while stoned, people aren't given to acts of violence, and there aren't any withdrawals when they cannot smoke.

Ahhh, but judging by your posts you are a smart guy. You overlooked one factor: The US is populated by mostly idiots.

//not surpised that weed is illegal
///smoke it anyways

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is anyone actually against this?

........besides the feds?

hillbillypharmacist

with the conservative track the country is taking, maybe we should just thank our lucky stars we have booze and cigarettes.


Shhhh. Don't give them any ideas.

nelziq, props for citing Wickard v. Filburn.

well then Congress owes me some back allowance and lots and lots of night time tuck-ins.

(pouting)

I propose that we legalize pot and outlaw booze.

JustAnotherFarkinFarker:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_131.html
That should fix COMALite J, and all you other hippies.

Hemp is good stuff. But take the foil hat off and see the truth.

Uhm, that article merely casts doubt on the idea that hemp cultivation can save the environment all by itself. Please show me where in my post I made that claim. All I said regarding the environment at all was that hemp-based paper production inflicts far less environmental damage that wood-pulp-based paper production. This is true, for a wide variety of reasons. I said that in passing, as part of the reason that Hearst felt that hemp was a threat to his wood-pulp newsprint monopoly. I stand both statements. Remember, this is newsprint we're talking about here, not office quality stationery paper.

As for the medical aspects of THC, it should be noted that brain cells have receptors specifically for it (called "cannaboid receptors"!). There is only one class of organic chemicals for which the body evolves specific receptors: vitamins. Fortunately, normal people make their own THC if they don't get enough, so it wouldn't be an essential vitamin like, oh, say, Vitamin C (ascorbic acid), which human bodies cannot make on their own but which most other animals can and do. But some people cannot make THC. This is a likely cause of glaucoma, which now appears to be an outright THC-deficiency disease just as scurvy is for ascorbic acid.

THC improves the eyesight (especially nighttime vision) of even normal people!

If marijuana had not been made illegal, Ray Charles would not likely have gone blind as a child.

Vitamin T (for THC)?

On a related matter:

We need three main substances in order to live: air, water, and food.

All three have been known to kill people directly, and do so quite often. Air through hyperoxia and conditions such as "the bends" water through serum dilution and resulting shock as well as through drowning, and food by way of food allergies and of course the rising epidemic of obesity-related conditions (it is now the #2 cause of preventable death behind tobacco, and is expected to surpass it within this decade). Many people die of air-related causes per year, and many more die of drowning and food-related causes every day, in the USA alone!

Not one person has ever been shown to have died directly from marijuana itself in all of human history combined, anywhere on the planet! And cannabis dates back to the oldest civilization known, Sumeria (the word actually traces its etymology back to the Sumerian language)! This means that it's actually far and away less dangerous than air, water, and food!

People say he's just getting high, but not to change the subject but, did you ever wonder why getting high is a crime?

/phish
//comitting a crime right now

Some addictive drugs currently being abused by more and more people:

OxyContin
Vicodin
Percocet
Xanax
Valium
Librium
Ritalin
Dexedrine
Meridia
Viagra
etc etc.

But these of course are fine because the pharmacorps can still make money.
Cannabis is illegal because it is a threat to certain economic interests, but one of the main problems that pharmacorps have with cannabis, is that because it is a natural product, they cannot patent it or apply any intellectual property rights on it, which is how they overcharge on all their other products.
The other problem for them is that nobody would really need to buy it from them or anyone for that matter, as the stuff will grow just fine in your kitchen window.

Screw all this "medical" use crap. The stuff should just be legalized plain and simple. There is no rational reason for it not to be.

And in the meantime, every second commercial on TV wants you to buy some pills! pills for your boner, pills for your stress, pills for your depression, for your mood, for your weight, for your heartburn...etc. its insane!!
Am i the only one to find it insane that in this society, people are encouraged to instead of trying to reach happiness through life changing decisiveness and personnal growth, should instead pop happy pills??!! i mean, were almost living in Huxley's brave new world! Sometimes i think we are.

THEY WANT YOUR MONEY
the links are all there.
Food industry, Medical/Pharma industry, Diet industry.
Its time for people to get smart on their own and for themselves, cause in a technocracy, no one is looking out for your health and well being, not without any strings attached anyways.
Say im a conspiracy theorist if you want. But conspiracy is not synonymous with lie. I dont see a conspiracy that much, i see a people settling into a capitalist model that works well for those who have to gain, and a good example of social engineering through mass media.

I really hope cannabis is legalized here in canada soon. Because the amount of time and money the incompetent police waste on pot is and should be insulting to every tax payer here.

Oh yea and lets not forget north america's fastest growing population of drug abusers: the elderly

I hope I'm toking when I'm 80!

Stop judging people and telling them how to live. The problems marijuana causes don't effect society nearly enough to justify illegality. Someone who goes to jail is going to harm society much more than someone who smokes weed. People against pot legalization are either 1) ignorant of the drug or 2) self-righteous ass holes

Ever since my terminally ill mother was taking a pill to improve her appetite that cost $800 a bottle I have not been confused as to why medical marijuana is opposed by drug companies (and therefore politicians).

One bad thing about it is the smoke...
And studies in ppl over 30 are mostly not beeing done...
Possible nervious system changes they say in ppl over 30...
ppl can grow it so no money for drug companies or taxes...

/i vaporize medical marijuana in california....

WEED!

According to Newshour:

Federal Government's Logic:

They have the right to prohibit medical marijuana because the fact that you are growing it yourself or getting it from someone local affects interstate commerce because it means you aren't buying it off of the black market....

you can't make this shiat up..


Just Ignorant

No, there is nothing better

The reason Tobacco and Alcohol are legal, while Marijuana is not, is that the megacorps could not dominate weed supply.

Ever try to make your own Bacardi?

Ever try to make your own Marlboro Light?

Manufacturing your own pot is about as hard as growing a Basil plant, and as cheap.

That is what they are truly afraid of: a huge, multi-million/billion dollar industry, going on without them getting a cut.

DREAM ON you bunch of dirty farkING HIPPIES.

Ulyses: DREAM ON you bunch of dirty farkING HIPPIES.

Is that the argument against?

As long as alcohol and tobacco are two of the biggest campaign contributors, there will be litte room for a product that is basically a substitute for both. Bottom line.

Not only alcohol and tobacco, but big pharma supports prohibitionist candidates (see opensecrets.org) because marijuana is a threat to the market for their synthetic treatments. Law enforcement and prison operators also typically speak out in favor of strong drug laws, because, well, they want to keep their jobs. Only the ones that have been shot or seen their friends shot over drug violations see the madness of prohibition.

Folks, nothing is harmless. No, not even kittens.

Can't we just repeal the farking interstate commerce clause?

Federation, dumbasses, federation, not nation-state!

let's look at this logically...

you say "drugs are bad", I agree with that. Marijuana is a plant. It isn't processed into a drug like coca leaves or opium poppies, which are also plants and have the same type of effect (you get "high") if ingested in their original form. Now, who can tell me one of the chemicals used to make cocaine? how about meth? heroin? What chemicals are used to "make" pot?

meth...iodine, pseudoephedrine, lye, phosphorus...wtf are you thinking?
coke...sometimes shipped in gasoline...hydrochloric acid is used in processing
heroin...the one drug I know dick about...wtf is used to make that shiat?

Her daughter is seriously considering getting some marijuana illegally, in the hope that her mother can be saved. Unfortunately, I don't think she would take the marijuana even if they got it, since it's illegal.

Solution: bake it into something tasty/sweet and give it to her. Tell her it has medicine in it. After she realizes her appetite is back, tell her what it was. She'll be a convert.

Dopers ruin society. We should keep marijuana illegal to save ourselves from apathy and a bad work ethic. The Bible says that your body is a temple and you should keep the temple clean.

runderwo...that, or a convict after she kills her daughter...you know how these anti-pot types are.

no, Herb Dimple, ignorance ruins society...was that sarcasm? or do you really believe what you just wrote?

Ignorance is bad, of course, but your argument is illogical because you didn't actually respond to what I said. America was built on the backs of hard-working Christians who don't need their minds and bodies polluted with narcotics. If you're not Christian, and you smoke pot, I have no time for you. There is a nice little prison cell with your name on it.