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2004-11-29 04:20:24 PM
Those dammed prohibitionsts .... getting their own way.... just because they..... VOTE.
 
2004-11-29 04:20:25 PM
Politics:

Half of farkers like that side. Half of farkers like the other side. Each half thinks the other is evil or deranged. Flaming commences.

Firearms:

You can have my rocket-launcher when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. You can have your target pistol when it doesn't scare the Baby Jesus. A well-armed society is a civil society. An over-armed society is a dead society. You're wrong. No, YOU'RE wrong. Flaming commences.

Boobies:

She's too skinny. She's too fat. More than a handful is a waste. Less than a bucketful makes me gag. Check out those sharp knees. Would you like paper or plastic over that face? I wouldn't hit it. Yes you would. No I wouldn't. Flaming commences.

Marijuana:

Farkers in complete agreement.
 
2004-11-29 04:21:38 PM
Pot is a uniter, not a divider!
 
2004-11-29 04:21:54 PM
TechManiac

hey -- instead of flaming, can you atleast point out what you thought was lame?

Let's discuss!
 
2004-11-29 04:22:09 PM

Get your ass to Mahz Hotel.
 
2004-11-29 04:22:26 PM
Didn't ANYONE see the point of the breakfast club!?!?!?

Pot is the sure road to peace and understanding.

If the burnout can befriend the prom queen then why can't we all just light up and get along!?!?!?
 
2004-11-29 04:22:28 PM
Gee, they're going to ask 9 old people their opinion about weed - I just can't imagine what they'll say.

We live in a police state - I'd leave, but all my stuff is here...
 
2004-11-29 04:22:47 PM
gilatrout:
Corrolary to Godwin's Law
The act of invoking 9/11 to fruther a point will increase the liklihood of a comment about Nazis thus ending the thread.


I am intrigued by your ideas, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2004-11-29 04:23:23 PM
Because everybody knows: expensive, regulated drugs are the best cure for everything, not marijuana.
 
2004-11-29 04:24:44 PM
Seems strange that booze and tobacco are both considered okay but weed is considered bad/harmfull.
What kind of logic does someone use to get to that conclusion?
 
2004-11-29 04:24:51 PM
Robert Altman
"I was a heavy drinker, but the alcohol affected my heart rather than my liver. So I stopped. I smoke grass now. I say that to everybody, because marijuana should be legalized. It's ridiculous that it isn't. If at the end of the day I feel like smoking a joint I do it. It changes the perception of what I've been through all day."
(Recently joined the advisory board of NORML)
Jennifer Aniston
"I enjoy smoking cannabis and see no harm in it". (Supposedly she and Brad Pitt smoked up together prior to meeting with Bill Clinton.)
Louis Armstrong
"It really puzzles me to see marijuana connected with narcotics . . . dope and all that crapit's a thousand times better than whiskey - it's an assistant - a friend."
Jack Black
Actor and singer for the band "Tenacious D".
Voted pot smoker of the year by High Times magazine. Jack will be playing a set at an upcoming NORML conference.
Michael Bloomberg (NY mayor)
When asked if he ever smoked pot, he replied, "You bet I did. And I enjoyed it!"
Sonny Bono
James Brown
George W. Bush (POTUS)
Johnny Cash
Willie Nelson's buddy.
Tommy Chong
Born in Edmonton, Alberta. Cheech Marin was a draft dodger living in Vancouver when he first met Chong. Check out his action figure.
Chong was recently sent to jail for 9 months for selling waterpipes over the internet.
Winston Churchill
Bill Clinton
"When I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two, I didn't like it, I didn't inhale it, and never tried it again."
Francis Ford Coppola
Bob Denver
In 1998 Gilligan received probation after signing for a package containing 30 grams of pot. It turns out that he was buying pot through the mail from his co-star Dawn Wells (Mary Anne).
John Denver
Jimmy Dorsey
Bob Dylan
Introduced the Beatles to wacky tobaccy in 1964.
Richard Feynman (scientist)
Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
Carrie Fisher
Jane Fonda
Perhaps her and Ted enjoy cannabis together?
Peter Fonda
Harrison Ford
Art Garfunkel
"If John Lennon is deported, I'm leaving too... with my musicians... and my marijuana."
Newt Gingrich
Speaker of the House. Smoker of the weed.
Gingrich said he smoked pot while studying in the 1970s. To do so, Gingrich said, "was a sign that we were alive and in graduate school in that era."
Al Gore
Gore has maintained his marijuana usage was "infrequent and rare" and ended in 1972.
Larry Hagman
Woody Harrelson
"I do smoke, but I don't go through all this trouble just because I want to make my drug of choice legal. It's about personal freedom. We should have the right in this country to do what we want, if we don't hurt anybody. Seventy-two million people in this country have smoked pot. Eighteen to 20 million in the last year. These people should not be treated as criminals."
Whitney Houston
January 2000: Hawaiian airport security guards searched Whitney's carry-on bag and found 15 grams of pot.
Chrissie Hynd
"Whatever I'm already doing becomes enhanced when I smoke pot. It can also be demotivating, because if I'm not doing anything and I smoke a joint, it enhances just sitting in a chair. Then I don't even want to get up to change a record. That might not be a bad thing, but you have to get things done once in a while."
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Sir Mick Jagger
Thomas Jefferson
John F Kennedy

Steven King
"I think that marijuana should not only be legal, I think it should be a cottage industry. It would be wonderful for the state of Maine. There's some pretty good homegrown dope. I'm sure it would be even better if you could grow it with fertilizers and have greenhouses. . . ."
John Lennon

Bill Maher
(Recently joined the advisory board of NORML)
Norman Mailer
One's condition on marijuana is always existential. One can feel the importance of each moment and how it is changing one. One feels one's being, one becomes aware of the enormous apparatus of nothingness-the hum of a hi-fi set, the emptiness of a pointless interruption, one becomes aware of the war between each of us, how the nothingness in each of us seeks to attack the being of others, how our being in turn is attacked by the nothingness in others.
Bob Marley
"Music and herb go together. It's been a long time now I smoke herb. From 1960s, when I first start singing."
Linda McCartney
Linda made headlines as a result of an open fondness for marijuana. While being treated for breast cancer she smoked pot to ease the discomfort of chemotherapy.
Sir Paul McCartney
"I think the 'Just say no' mentality is so crazed. I saw a thing in a women's magazine the other day. 'He smokes cannabis, what am I to do? He laughs it off when I try to tell him, he says it's not really harmful...' Of course you're half hoping the advice will be, 'Well, you know it's not that harmful; if you love him, if you talk to him about it, tell him maybe he should keep it in the garden shed or something,' you know, a reasonable point of view. But of course it was, 'No, no, all drugs are bad. Librium's good, Valium's good. But cannabis, ooooh!' I hate that unreasoned attitude."
Matthew McConaughey
George Michael
Robert Mitchum
"The only effect that I ever noticed from smoking marijuana was a sort of mild sedative, a release of tension when I was overworking. It never made me boisterous or quarrelsome. If anything, it calmed me and reduced my activity."
Bill Murray
Friedrich Nietzsche
used cannabis as medicine
Willie Nelson
"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?"
(Recently joined the advisory board of NORML)
Jack Nicholson
"My point of view, while extremely cogent, is unpopular. . . . That the repressive nature of the legalities vis-a-vis drugs are destroying the legal system and corrupting the police system."
Conan O'Brian
Sinead O'Connor
Luke Perry
Pablo Picasso
Brad Pitt
Supposed he and Jennifer Aniston enjoyed smoking up together. Brad has been seen wearing pro-marijuana shirts. Looking for a pro-marijuana shirt?
Ross Rebagliati
This Canadian was almost stripped of his Gold Medal in Snowboarding after traces of marijuana were found in his system during post-race drug testing.
Keanu Reeves
Carl Sagan
"Looking at fires when high, by the way, especially through one of those prism kaleidoscopes which image their surroundings, is an extraordinarily moving and beautiful experience."
William Shakespeare
Paul Simon
Wesley Snipes
Has been seen in Canabis Cafes.
Alan Sorkin
Sting
Oliver Stone
Margaret Trudeau
Pierre Elliot Trudeau
Ted Turner
A former anchorperson for CNN said that it is common knowledge that Turner sits in his office and smokes marijuana.
Dionne Warwick
Whitney Houston's Aunt... also caught with pot at an airport. Do you think they ever smoked a joint together? Maybe they did some hotboxing.
George Washington
Neil Young

http://frankdiscussion.netfirms.com/who_celebtokers.html
 
2004-11-29 04:25:59 PM
Would some html-savvy Farker please post the picture of Mr. Mackey's balloon head floating over Stan, Kyle, Cartman, and Kenny? Thanks.

/Legalize it, Mmmmkay?
 
2004-11-29 04:26:11 PM
TOBACCO IS A GATEWAY DRUG!!!


/flame on!
 
2004-11-29 04:26:15 PM
iollow

By abused, I mean used irresponsibly. Like wake-and-bake, daily smoking, smoking before work,, etc. You don't have to O.D. to abuse drugs.

and can lead to demotivation and memory loss.

Oh farking hell, you are so very very wrong.


I'm speaking from experience here. ALOT of experience during my misspent youth. 15 years of pot-free hindsight tells me its true. Admittedly, though, it is difficult to separate the stoned and adolescent parts of the proiverbial stoned adolescent, so YMMV.
 
2004-11-29 04:26:53 PM
TheRealG:
also, most stoners are ruining it for the rest of us!!! if they just got off their ass and contributed to society and not be a stereotype then it might be legal afterall

Actually, I would argue most stoners ARE contributing members of society. Don't be pwned by propaganda. I know several people that smoke pot, and all of them have full time jobs and are at least semi-successful in their careers.
 
2004-11-29 04:27:56 PM
spotmanxxx

Thank god somebody decided to actually discuss the commerce clause in this case, which is the heart of the matter. It's hard to read how this one will go really. Pot even if wholly created through intrastate commerce, is indistinguishable rom pot produced through commerce among the states. It always seems the cases that get up to the Supreme Court on commerce (after wickard v filburn) tend to have really ugly fact patterns. Rape laws, gun control, medical marijuana. Of course, this lets the media think that today's argument is really about pot when that is far from the point.
Also, the guy arguing the case is Randy Barnett. Great guy, you can find out more about the case from http://www.angeljustice.org/article.php?id=56 . If you want to see a great libertarian work on con law, check out Barnett's book, Restoring the Lost Constitution, the Presumption of Liberty
 
2004-11-29 04:29:03 PM
1) Lower penalties for hard drugs such as heroin.
2) Prices for heroin go down, to the level where smoking it is 3) affordable and safer(as opposed to shooting it).
4) Overdoses go down, deaths go down.
5) ?
6) Profit
 
2004-11-29 04:29:22 PM
mysticcat:
I'm speaking from experience here. ALOT of experience during my misspent youth. 15 years of pot-free hindsight tells me its true. Admittedly, though, it is difficult to separate the stoned and adolescent parts of the proiverbial stoned adolescent, so YMMV.

I will give you demotivation since the one symptom of marijuana smoking is complacency, but this is not a state of being that is illegal or unhealthy. A hot bath or aromatherapy candles can make one equally complacent.

But memory loss? I guess we will have to just disagree on that one.
 
2004-11-29 04:29:32 PM
I wonder if any of them will have an urge for brownies after hearing arguments?
 
2004-11-29 04:29:35 PM
bludstone

OK, I gotta ask, what's the point in having all these celebrities on the advisory board for NORML? IMO, NORML has old and busted and MPP is teh n3w hawtn3$$, politically speaking. If NORML is doing anything these days, I sure haven't heard about it.
 
2004-11-29 04:30:51 PM
Nabb1 - FYI, the District of Columbia overwhelmingly passed a medical marijuana initiative a few years ago, but our Overlords in Congress would not allow the results to be publicly released, let alone acted upon. So technically DC should be included as having passed an initiative.

I saw Bill Bennett outside a restaurant in Bethesda shortly after the whole gambling issue came up - in the spirit of love, peace, and understanding, I yelled "LOSER" at him while he was hauling his fat ass into his enormous SUV (had to be enormous to fit the ass)
 
2004-11-29 04:31:13 PM
zymurgist

I was making a point about contributing members to society. I imagine it is to get more exposure to the cause.
 
2004-11-29 04:31:45 PM
2004-11-29 04:20:11 PM TheRealG
I have faith...

that in 20-30 years enough pot smokers get into politics and look to fix what's really wrong with America and the laws that govern her!


That's what we said when I was growing up in the 1970s. We were wrong.
 
2004-11-29 04:33:14 PM
bludstone

I'll buy that. I'm not trying to start a NORML vs. MPP flamewar here, really. They're all good guys.
 
F42
2004-11-29 04:34:02 PM
gilatrout:

Small nit here, but how many of you have expressed your opinions to your congressional representatives/senators?


"Dear congressman, I have commited a crime and I liked it"?

Don't you know pot makes you paranoid, and admitting to having commited a crime in a signed letter sent to your elected officials might lead to some paranoia-inducing consequences?
 
2004-11-29 04:34:15 PM
psyduck:
1) Lower penalties for hard drugs such as heroin.
2) Prices for heroin go down, to the level where smoking it is 3) affordable and safer(as opposed to shooting it).
4) Overdoses go down, deaths go down.


An interesting theory, and not totally without precedent.

When the Spanish found Peru, they noticed some of the workers would work 14-16 hours each day, with few breaks and would not get tired. It turned out they would chew on the leaves of the coca plant, basically consuming very mild quantities of cocaine all day long. And they were neither addicts nor burnouts. They were the most productive members of their society.
 
2004-11-29 04:34:18 PM
a_cure_for_gravity

Ronald Reagan happened. That monkeywrenched a lot of things in the US.
 
2004-11-29 04:34:45 PM
SharkInfested:

Nabb1 - FYI, the District of Columbia overwhelmingly passed a medical marijuana initiative a few years ago, but our Overlords in Congress would not allow the results to be publicly released, let alone acted upon. So technically DC should be included as having passed an initiative.

Screw released - they never allowed it to be officially counted.
 
2004-11-29 04:34:56 PM
I'll say it again:

As long as cigarettes are available, as long as bars have parking lots (and some of them drive-thrus), continuation of marijuana illegalization is hypocrisy.

But they never listen.

One day, (likely blue-staters) will wake up. I'd have to imagine that red-staters are largely against this, along with their moral superiority fetish.
 
2004-11-29 04:35:34 PM
While the nylon conspiracy theory is possible, a more generally accepted reason that marijuana was made illegal was it's association with non-white's, mainly mexicans. Many people got antsy about the influx of new cultures, so laws that discriminated against said cultures were easily passed, though they were ostensibly for other reasons.
 
2004-11-29 04:36:06 PM
Damn that Reagan. Damn him to hell.
 
2004-11-29 04:37:22 PM
It would be cool if I could just go out in public and smoke with some random person and just chill. I know that is never going to happen so I am going to do what I always do, go home role something up and just chill. I don't really care for all the political shiat anyway. I smoke like it is legal anyway.

(and yes I know this is about medical marijuana)
 
2004-11-29 04:38:23 PM
I've been having nasty back and neck pain for about six months now. I'm 22. It's fun. Tried professional massage a couple of times, went to the doctor 4 times. Got anti-inflammatory medicine, muscle relaxers, pain killers.

Then a friend brought over some pot and holy dear Lord, I didn't have this constant f-cking pain in the back of my neck.

I don't do it that often (that would've been the 5th time), and I've always supported decriminalization (esp for medical purposes, even when I never would've smoked, ever)... but that was the first time I actually got what they meant.

And now I'm going to pop a bunch of muscle relaxers that make me sleep for 12 hours and don't really get rid of the pain because I have no pot. Thanks, phramaceudical and medical industry. I reeeeeeeeally appreciate it.
 
2004-11-29 04:39:16 PM
I think it was the anti-mexican sentiment that lead to the prohibition of pot.The Dupont story gets people's attention but is most likely untrue.

DuPont was too busy making poison gas for the Nazis.

/Godwinned!
 
2004-11-29 04:40:28 PM
Sloth - right you are, I had forgotten how egregious the whole debacle was.
 
2004-11-29 04:40:58 PM
Actually, the LD50 for delta9-THC is roughly 3-4 grams of pure chemical injected intravenously in humans. Translated to common terms, it's something like eating five or six POUNDS of high-potency marijuana.
 
F42
2004-11-29 04:41:25 PM
gilatrout: Corrolary to Godwin's Law


Yeah, I was ambiguous about using it, but it's the best example of a universally accepted conspiracy I could think of.

Sure, 9/11 can be used to godwin a thread, but I refuse to ignore it because others might abuse it.
Kinda relevant, as a thought process, to the whole debate, IMO. : )
 
2004-11-29 04:41:42 PM
SpectroBoy

I know what you mean. My friends and I all have great jobs and are truly good upstanding people. None of us are criminals. People just assume if you smoke pot you are dumb. That is so far from the truth.

My last job was in Advertising and some guys were talking to the owner about drug tests, and he said "If I gave drug tests I would not have any employees!"

We all laughed are asses off.

/legalize it
//keep the jail cells open for the real criminals like murderers, rapists and child molesters. Those crimes seriously effect other people lives.
 
2004-11-29 04:42:31 PM
Probably better luck with SCOTUS than with the pols.

For all of you too young, or too stoned, I give you Richard Nixon railing against his own Commission (Shafer `71-`72) after initial rumors that it would recommend decrim.

26, 1971, Time: 10:03 am - 11:35 am -- Oval Office
Conversation: 505-4 -- Meeting with Nixon and HR 'Bob' Haldeman
RN: "Now, this is one thing I want. I want a Goddamn strong
statement on marijuana. Can I get that out of this sonofabiatching, uh, Domestic Council?"
HRH: "Sure."
RN: "I mean one on marijuana that just tears the ass out of them. I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. You know it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists, you know, there's so many, all the greatest psychiatrists are Jewish. By God we are going to hit the marijuana thing, and I want to hit it right square in the puss, I want to find a way of putting more on that. More [ unintelligible ] work with somebody else with this."
HRH: "Mm hmm, yep."
RN: "I want to hit it, against legalizing and all that sort of thing."


Dubya and pals are near beer compared to Milhous

Oh, if Ashcroft needs medical marijuana he can now get it and use it in Columbia, Missouri (has to stay in city limits and avoid State/County/University cops - but city cops can only check his doctor's permission and let him and his 1.25 Oz.s take a hike). Check Boone County, Missouri's County Clerk's election page (slight edge for dubya - but marijuana props passed with 60%!).
 
2004-11-29 04:44:40 PM
iollow
Actually, I would argue most stoners ARE contributing members of society. Don't be pwned by propaganda. I know several people that smoke pot, and all of them have full time jobs and are at least semi-successful in their careers.

We're just arguing the definition of "stoner".
I burn daily...I have for 5 years...and was a "constant" user for 6-7 years before that. I completed my MASTERS degree before my 23rd birthday (5 years ago), I have a great job and contribute to society.

I don't see myself as a stoner.

A stoner is someone who wakes + bakes more often than not.
A stoner is someone who lives in their parent's basement for lack of getting a REAL job.
A stoner is someone with no self-control.

This is what I mean by saying "Stoners are ruining it for the rest of us!"
 
2004-11-29 04:45:15 PM
SharkInfested: Sloth - right you are, I had forgotten how egregious the whole debacle was.

It takes a village to raise a child. Congress is the village, you are the child.
 
2004-11-29 04:46:12 PM
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

Who better to argue about Marijuana than Law Enforcement? Guess what? They approve of it. Go fig...
 
2004-11-29 04:46:27 PM
Read 'Reefer Madness' by Eric Schlosser (of 'Fast Food Nation' fame). He has some good insight into the history of the prohibition of marijuana and the current sorry state of affairs it has lead too.
 
2004-11-29 04:46:46 PM
Smoke a joint every night and people will call you a dirty hippie and avoid you.

Drink a 12-pack every night and beat your wife and they'll invite you over for Christmas dinner.
 
2004-11-29 04:46:54 PM
TheRealG

I disagree, I'm a stoner and I haven't smoked in a year. Being a stoner is a state of mind not a checklist of activities.
 
2004-11-29 04:47:10 PM
just jumping in the thread here, but does this have anything to do with this woman?
 
2004-11-29 04:47:55 PM
Drink a 12-pack every night and beat your wife and they'll invite you over for Christmas dinner.

Or the next Republican fundraiser.

/zing
 
2004-11-29 04:49:02 PM
SingleServing
I disagree, I'm a stoner and I haven't smoked in a year. Being a stoner is a state of mind not a checklist of activities.

Fine.
How about this: my definition of STONER implies the SAME state of mind.

Again, people, I burn daily...it's those "State of Mind" stoners that are ruining it for people like me!

oh, and if people like Marijuana -- come to Canada!
Cops could not care less (unless you've got a garbage bag)
 
2004-11-29 04:50:55 PM
If alcohol or tabacco where discovered today, do you think it would be legal? not with all of the reseach we have now. Those things are legal because our culture has a traditon of using them. Our culture doesn't have a tradition of using marijuana. It isn't any more harmful, but it still has side effects. None of that stuff should be legal.
 
2004-11-29 04:51:06 PM
Republicans: out to save you from smelling the smoke of dried plants, seeing naughty pictures of crotch parts, and hearing naughty words.

Republicans: dipping into your pockets for handouts to bad businesses.

Republicans: encoding religion into the rule of law.

With a smile, wink, and slight adjustment of their expensive neckties, they make many think they're for freedom. Do I laugh or cry?

/They have control of both houses and the presidency. Now watch the government grow.
 
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