If there are good pics of these "slaughterhouses", you can bet your blinking blue balls that FOX News Channel would be showing them every ten minutes.

Alas, this hasn't happened.

Personally I think someone should be showing the true Iraq whether it is the media or our government. Saw on the news that someone is releasing a dvd with footage of all kinds of sick things that went on in Iraq before we took out Saddam. I also saw an interview of Hassan where she talked about how the standard of living in Iraq was decent before the first time we kicked Saddams a$$ (you know, the one that the UN approved) and after that how many people lived in squalor without electricity and running water. Saddam was so concerned about the welfare of his people that he didn't bother to fix power and water infrastructure but had plenty of resources to build multiple palaces.
Anything our soldiers did in Abu Grahib or a mosque pales in comparison to the stuff that happened before we got there. I'm not defending the bad things we have allegedly done there just trying to keep things in perspective.

The more reports I read and see about these kinds of atrocities the more I'm glad the USA had the guts to do something about it.

2004-11-18 12:17:37 AM ChadManMn
"Attention Liberals
Just get over it and go back to 1969 and start spitting on Vets as then return home."


myth. created to demonize the anti-war effort.

well documented.

Three years later, sociologist Jerry Lembcke conducted a similarly exhaustive study for his book, The Spitting Image, with like results. He discovered war protesters being spat upon by war supporters, and hostile acts toward Vietnam veterans by conservative, pro-war groups like the VFW, but no taunting or spitting on returned veterans by peace movement members. Returned veterans and in-service GIs were welcomed in the peace movement, and many assumed leadership roles. Yet the myth endures

I have only been here a couple of weeks.

Can someone tell me what "Trolling" means?

There's a reason pretty much everyone to the right of Joseph Lieberman calls NPR "National Pravda Radio."

smackem yackem


Since you missed the point, let me explain.

I was simply stating point that people toss statements around here that typically are accepted as fact such as the once cited. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You, in typical farker fashion didn't bother to see that and decided to use it as fuel for your flame..And you did it rather rudely, another trait of the moronic posters that go on ad-nausea in these troll infested threads.

I'd recommend you take a few pointers from Mr. Gumbo Pants.

Sid_6.7

That was WAY, WAY too nice for a FARK post. Please insert more asshat/fundie/neocon/right-wing-nut-job/etc into your post next time.

BTW, it isn't a crime to think that homosexuality is wrong. Unfortunately, many are called homophobic (note: irrational FEAR of gays) because they disagree with it on a moral level. It's much the same way with abortion.

/not saying I support or oppose either, just playing devil's advocate today.

I'd like to think that the West isn't as obsessed with tasteless gore as the fanatics. That would explain the absence of graphic photos from Ground Zero and the Diana Car Crash.
There IS a thing called class.
Even students of mine who checked out the beheadings only did it once, saying they just felt dirty and grossed out, and a bit guilty, for doing it.

Thank you for your post. ChadManMN is just another example of conservative believing liberals are anti-patriots based on false facts and myths

"Can someone tell me what "Trolling" means?"


Here's a good example from LawrencePerson. Notice he doesn't give a reason. He just threw that statement out there to piss someone off and get a response. Like trolling for a fish, it worked.



"2004-11-18 01:58:14 PM LawrencePerson"
"There's a reason pretty much everyone to the right of Joseph Lieberman calls NPR "National Pravda Radio."

mungtor - I also find it interesting how people alternately accuse others of dehumanizing the enemy, and then state that we're supposed to be better than them. If we're all human, we all have the same flaws. If we define somebody else as both human and better, what does that make everybody else? Subhuman?

So true.

MrGumboPants, show me the "verifiable" evidence that all American soldiers do is torture prisoners and shoot in questionable situations. I find it hard to believe that you actually think the US military is only capable of committing atrocities.

Sid

Whew! Thanks. (I was getting nervous until I got to the end.)

2004-11-18 01:52:23 PM Kicking_Bird

Churchy LaFemme-love your name! Marry me and this gun loving, bible thumping, gay hating conservative will help you love Amurika again!! :)

--------------------------

Let me ask my wife... Nope, sorry. She said no.

/Affair?

What color is the sky in your world, 2 grams?

Its more appealing to see the mighty fall?

Maybe that's what it is. Nobody's interested in seeing the terrorists wallow in butchering, because that's what they always do. But when the United States does a heinous thing, it's news!

The media is far too interested in stories of "man bites dog". They should be giving equal time to any story in which a dog bites a man, as it is only fair. The fact that they don't do so shows that the media is biased in favor of dogs.

Um, we know the terrorists are assholes. When they act like assholes, turns out, that's not so much news.

We, on the other hand, are supposed to be the good guys. When we give our prisoners "dog rape time", hells yes that's news.

The whole republican culture of "we're media victims" is getting old.

Enough of a line, Korovyov, for Scott Ritter to resign.

You know - the guy who was right about there being no WMDs.

Republicans are starting to whine as much as they claim liberals do. Those poor, oppressed Christian males, boy how my heart bleeds for them.

The media is far too interested in stories of "man bites dog". They should be giving equal time to any story in which a dog bites a man, as it is only fair. The fact that they don't do so shows that the media is biased in favor of dogs.


who would buy ad space in a "dog bites man" newspaper ?

like buying ad space in an encyclopedia, just after "cotton gin"

Silly me, I thought we were supposed to be held to a higher standard than the insurgents. Afterall, we supposedly went in to free them and bring them 'democracy'.

Nice Thread.

But:


Where are the slaughterhouse photos?




Seriously, does nobody wonder whether they were published, made available at all?
Because they were off-limits for media, maybe?

DUH?

2004-11-18 12:05:41 AM
FortuneCookie
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Why doesn't the mainstream(MSM) media report on how many schools are being built? Why can't they report on any of the positives that are going on?

Well, how many schools are being built?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that it's not as many as are being bombed. Besides, "School built in Iraq" doesn't sell papers the same way "hostages abused by American soldiers" does.

2004-11-18 12:28:18 AM
ChadManMn

Does anyone stop and wonder why we don't see positive news coming out of Iraq?

'Cause at the moment the place is a complete shiathole?

IvyMike - Um, we know the terrorists are assholes. When they act like assholes, turns out, that's not so much news.

We, on the other hand, are supposed to be the good guys. When we give our prisoners "dog rape time", hells yes that's news.

So you don't think the media has a moral/ethical obligation to report on the atrocities of both sides, only what is sensational?

""2004-11-18 01:13:14 PM skikvt



Funny how the Media ignored the 40 vials of Sarin Gas our Marines found in Fallujah. That's all right. The Media will tell you what to think...

And Chris Mathew's comment that "Insurgents aren't bad they just disagree with us." No Bias there all..

Just belly up to the trough and slurp down your Kool-Aid... Don't mind the maggots...
""

Oh and let's not stop there. DO not forget that the shelf life of most BINARY WMDs loaded into a shell is about 3 weeks. You won't find shells, you will find dual purpose chemicals like "pesticides/sarin" in 55 gallon drums and seed stocks in people's refridgerators. The Dueffler report even stated there was a 5% chance we would still find WMD. It also explicitly said the thread of Saddam's WMD programs was greater than thought. Let's resurect this horse so we can beat it some more:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34881

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40754

The following article pretty much makes Blix look like a douchebag, and even goes so far as to scare the crap out of people like me, who are pretty numb about the whole thing after knowing the situation over there for years before most of the numb-uniballers on this thread even knew the difference between Iran or Iraq. Saddam was worse than we thought:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3719522.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3466005.stm

smackem yackem

Enough of a line, Korovyov, for Scott Ritter to resign.

You mean the same guy that was getting payoffs from Saddam to keep his trap shut?? The child molester who is currently working as a reporter for Al-Jazeera.

Yeah, that guy was a reliable source...

Sid_6.7

See, you used the word hate. I never did. Just because you think something that someone does is wrong does not mean you hate that person. Does a parent hate its child when the child misbehaves? No. Does the parent try to enact rules in the house to encourage certain conduct? Certainly.

I believe that many in the Left assume that those in the Right hate gays, when this is probably not the case (I can only speak for myself, not others). Personally, I really don't care what Bob and Bill do - get legal status as partners, whatever, I don't care. If a gay couple wishes for the same rights as a married heterosexual couple, I have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is redefining marriage to be something other than what it has been for 6,000 or so years. Of course, that means I hate gays according to most folks here in good old California, so I can't say it out loud without being called a homophobe (I certainly have no irrational fear of gays), a bigot, and a right-wing nutjob.

I really just wish the extremism on both sides would go away. If the Left could see that the Right has valid concerns and if the Right could see that the Left isn't nearly as Commie as it's been portrayed, we could all get along wonderfully. Of couse, this won't happen, so we get asinine flame wars on FARK.

/sigh
//heads back to do some work

Sid_6.7

Yeah, I'm gonna get my violin and learn some new tunes about how I weep for them and hope someday their oppression and persecution will end.

Wizzywig
The Dueffler report even stated there was a 5% chance we would still find WMD.

Wow. 5%. Stunning.

/sarcasm

There's about a 5% chance you have any credibility left after posting that one, pal.

So has anyone found any photos of these so-called "slaughterhouses" yet? I mean, SURELY they exist SOMEWHERE, if this story is true...

""2004-11-18 02:06:10 PM killerwizard


Its more appealing to see the mighty fall?

Maybe that's what it is. Nobody's interested in seeing the terrorists wallow in butchering, because that's what they always do. But when the United States does a heinous thing, it's news!
""

Good point. Maybe it is the saem stupid, tired "I am jealous of the big jock guy footballer letterman in high school so I want to see him fail" mentality that makes peopel hate the Yankees just because they win a lot of world series. You know the asshats I am talking about; the guys who always root for the underdog for no apparent reason, when the reality is it validates the personal hell that is their factual image of self hatred as a function of their impotent failure to achieve their unrealistic goals. They are using him as a sort of avatar, hitching their wagon to the little guy and living vicariously through him as a feeble amd failed attempt at atonement for their own feelings of inadequasy.

skikvt
You mean the same guy that was getting payoffs from Saddam to keep his trap shut?? The child molester who is currently working as a reporter for Al-Jazeera.

LOL - wrong, and wrong.

I see you give your "facts" the Swift-Boat-Veterans-For-Truth test.

Bye, farkers. Off to work.

funny how the only place the term "Korovyov" and "child molester" come together on google....is fark threads.

right-wing echo chamber.

but typical I guess. standard right-wing tactic: discredit messenger.

Henchman

I'm sure skikvt can phony some photoshops up for you if he's properly motivated.

To be fair, pictures of empty rooms simply don't sell as many papers as pictures of naked human pyramids.

I haven't seen any pictures of the slaughterhouses, but they're either too gruesome or too boring to be published. If the victims' bodies are still there, then they'd be too gruesome, if there are just blood stains and shiat, then they look like every picture of Iraq for the last 20 months (too boring).

Of course, you can think it's just liberal bias if you like.

Maybe the slaughter houses are are like the WMD's - not there. I am sure the hostages were killed somewhere, but the idea of "slaughterhouses" seems silly.

Were they processing the meat? (sorry)

Were there so many hostages killed that they needed to set up slaughterhouses to keep up with all the killing?

I think "slaughterhouses" is a great word to drum up anger/sympathy from the world but until I see pictures of blood splashed walls and bodies of mutilated hostages lined up in one of these places, I won't believe they found these so called slaughterhouses.

I am sure they found places where hostages were kept, and found evidence of torture of murder (we've all seen the videos), but I think the term "slaughterhouses" is more for sensationalism than anything else.

smackem yackem
"...Bye, farkers. Off to work."

Don't forget your smock and hair net.

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