gentlemoose - Did anyone bother to RTFA? He helped steal and transport the explosives. He didn't wipe out 200 people all by his lonesome. He didn't throw the switch. He's a juvenile. Yeah, this country probably would've executed him. Moral superiority, my ass.

He's an accomplice in a crime that led to the death of scores of innocent people. He's a juvenile that stole and transported farking explosives. We're not talking about M80s from the local firework's store here.

This "juvenile" is scum and deserves his fate. Maybe we should get let him serve a in Juvie Hall (since he's a juvenile, after all) until he's 18 and then let him go, scott free, ready to rejoin society.

Whatever happened to there being consequences to one's actions?

2004-11-16 12:48:20 PM Espertron
Whatever happened to there being consequences to one's actions?

I think you should ask Bush that very question........

/I bet someone kills him once he is released.....

Oddly, only the american press have associated this guy with Al Qaeda. The Spanish press, as far as I can see - have not. A little "manipulating the public's fear" going on?

Gotta love all the "he knew what he was doing was wrong" comments.

Now, with that in mind, can we change the law so that 16 year olds will have the adult level of rights and privileges that go along with their adult level of accountability?

We can't continue to treat them as children when it's convenient and adults when it's convenient and claim, with a straight face, that ours is a society built upon liberty and justice.

The argument that "adult crime" equals "adult time" falls apart when you hold one specific group of people to an additional set of restrictive, punitive laws and justify those additional laws by saying that that same group is immature, irresponsible, etc.

If a 16 year old is too young to legally buy a gun like an adult, he/she's too young to be punished like an adult if he/she misuses it.

Fireworks? That reminds me of this vid, over at ebaumsworld.

2004-11-16 12:47:09 PM boy_from_easter_island
rolando_javier_g

Since it is HTML, you must use the HTML code to render it.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html


/i think..

Hmmm I'm pretty sure that in the US he would have rec'd more or less the same sentence. Maybe not, it depends on his level of farknarcitude a-la John Malvo who got a bunch of Life w/o paroles for sniping people but mostly he got the sentence because it was such a bizzaro media circus case.

Of course, you have to applaud the Spanish government and its people for maintaining their resolution to bring peace to the Middle East and stamp out terrorism in the face of such a terrible tragedy. You really have to hand it to...

What's that? Spain caved in to the terrorists' demands and pulled out of Iraq?!

Nevermind.

Feliz Navidad, y Prospero 'Ano' Nuevo.

/pun intended

2004-11-16 12:54:21 PM Elvis Nixon

I agree, we really aren't very harsh on violent offenders, it is the drug users we throw the book at... You can rape someone and serve less time than for posession....

You guys do know that "golpeame..." means "pound ME in the ass," don't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. Once his release date is approaching, I suspect his name/personal information will be so widely available that he'll be BEGGING to stay in prison for his own protection. Once he gets kicked out, some pissed off family member will slit his throat and mutiliate his corpse.

See? The system works!

pedrop347 - If a 16 year old is too young to legally buy a gun like an adult, he/she's too young to be punished like an adult if he/she misuses it.

I'm sorry, I wouldn't trust a 16 year old to legally buy a gun like an adult. Although I have no problem with 16 year olds learning how to use, maintain and respect guns.

However, what this "kid" did deserves harsher punishment.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not the 'let's jail everyone who does something bad' sort of person. I think prison should be reserved for only the most violent criminals or remorseless repeat offenders.

This kid's actions led to the numerous deaths of innocent people. I feel confident in saying that this punk knew what he was doing was illegal and the explosives he STOLE and TRANSPORTED were going to be used for terrorist acts. No doubt about it.

What's that? Spain caved in to the terrorists' demands and pulled out of Iraq?!


You could see it that way, or you could see it as caving in to the Spanish public's demands to pull out of Iraq. The democracy of foreign nations dosen't always play to America's advantage.

"Bad terrorist! Bad terrorist!"

"You need a 6-year 'timeout' if you can't behave!"

/"that'll learn 'im"

maffick

Thanks man! I'm reading the 'internationalization characters' section, but it's a bit too hard for n00bs.

There is also an article dealing with the alt + ### way of putting it. So it's best if I say
"Feliz a(alt+164)o nuevo" for now. LOL.

Sure, 6 years in prison, but everyone in Spain bent over and gave the guy exactly what he wanted by voting for the socialists he wanted to have power. They did it to stop the bombings.

Oh, and there was another bombing last week. Huh. Who woulda thunk that capitulation with terrorists isn't effective?

So, he is two years away from being an adult, so he spends 4 years hanging out with younger kids who did something much less horrific. Good idea Spain!

He did a grown up thing and should be treated as an adult!

doubleplusungood

Of course I know that "golpeame" means that. We don't refer to it as "pound you in the ass prison," do we?

"Other explosives were paid for in Moroccan hashish."

hehe, ill trade tnt pound for pound for some of that shiat!

there's no way this kid's gonna see his next birthday when he's released from prison. If we're this incensed, imagine what someone who's family member was hurt or killed...

This is ridiculous ... this man contributed to the deaths of 191 people through terroristic acts ... and all he gets is six years in prison?! I don't care if he's a minor, you have to be a lot tougher on terrorists than this! They certainly aren't as lenient with us. Ask the families of the 191 people who died if they think 6 years imprisonment is appropriate.

The length of his sentence might be irrelevant if he doesn't survive his term.

A Spanish prison is not quite the club-med.

Oh! The poor kid! He was just hauling explosives for Al-Quaeda, he had no idea they were going to use them to kill people!!! Who woulda thunk Al-Quaeda would do such things?!?!

To all you bleeding hearts defending this punk while safely living in America, please leave immediately and move to Spain so you can get blown up by more of his ilk. Unlike America, Spain has sent a clear message: You are free to involve yourself in massive-scale murder, as long as you are underage.

How you people can give greater weight to the freedom of one 16-year-old terrorist versus 190 innocent people killed. How can you live with yourselves.

i somehow doubt that the up the ass happens in spanish prisons. they arn't filled with people from the 3rd world like the ones in the USA.

Oh if I were a family member of one of those hurt or killed, I'd do my damnedest to make sure he gets snuffed in prison!

carlisimo: I think what they mean to say is that he's getting spanked instead of having a real punishment. So it wouldn't be "a tomar por culo", but "he's getting azotes en el culo".

And yes, that's our legal system. Wanna know the best thing? He'll be able to go out on weekends, and probably his six years will be cut down to two.

LMFAO! Anyone on fark ever RTFA before they register their outrage to the void? Obviously not.

Please spare me your moral indignation.. this kid was a courier for a drug and black market dealer in northern Spain who wasn't even involved with Al-Quaeda. This kid carried a farking package for his boss, which is probably what he's been doing all his life. Six years sounds about right for being an accomplice to an asshat.

You so desperately want to see someone get raped? Why not find the Fagin who uses 16-year-olds to deliver his hash and his explosives?

Only Americans and fanatical muslims could argue for the state killing of a juvenile and actually think they are being righteous.

The Spanish are unlikely to murder this kid when he gets out. I remember taking a survey about violence and it's various justifications and I read the international results and found that Spaniards are the least violent/most cowardly of any nationality. Even moreso than the French.

Espertron: that isn't spain's map. It is the map of the iberian peninsula. You know, spain and portugal.

Well, at least they caught all the guilty terrorists, you know, instead of invading Madagaskar or something...

Seriously though, 6 years is nothing, even if he is a minor. Maybe he only played a small role in the bombing?

If he was tried here, he would have received life in prison, and been paroled after 6 years.

"He did a grown up thing and should be treated as an adult!"

So if a 16 year old does an "adult thing" like drink a beer, vote, buy cigarettes, buy a porno, own a gun, walk down the street past midnight, they should be treated as an adult ie., left the fark alone? Perfect, logical, and consistent. I'm all for it-would be a nice for a change.

I don't suppose that the prosecution could appeal the sentance?

Golpeame en el PC LOAD LETTER

On the bright side, I'm learning some Spanish. Some Spanish I'll hopefully never, ever need.

Please read the article before you post. The juvenile didn't have anything to do with the bombings; he worked as a transporter for a a black market weapons dealer. He just happened to transport the explosives that were later used in the train bombings. Yes, he was doing something illegal. However, he wasn't involved in nor did he know anything about their planned use.

Either way, "golpear" isn't the right verb to use.

And as mc frontalot said, his crime was being an unofficial courier. He got paid to ship a package that he (supposedly) didn't know about. In Spain, "mysterious package sent to a Moroccan guy" has always meant drugs, and that's probably what this kid assumed.

the kid says he wasnt aware of what they were doing.

while its easy to say he must have known, he might not have. Atleast not have known that it was this serious.

Im sure he wondered "what the heck do they want with all these explosives" but the combination of easy money, drug addiction, along with a good lie and I can see how someone might consider looking the other way and helping out.

does that excuse it? most definitely not. They were still going to be used for a crime. and that requires some form of punishment.

Does it merit a 20 or 30 year prison sentence?
Spain doesnt think so, and i agree with them.

They need evidence to convict people, if they dont have evidence linking him to the bombing outside of transport and theft, how can they punish him for it. If they did have that evidence, would they really have only given him 6 years plus 5 years of supervision(some kind of Parole?)

In any sane judicial system, Proof is required to convict an accused. Anything less and were right back to witch hunting. "I think he did it, so he must have dont it" doesn't cut it in a court of law.

I think people should relax and entertain the idea that maybe they got the best conviction they could given the evidence and circumstances.

our system isnt so spiffy over here either. We shouldnt be criticizing other systems, not as long as we're rewarding Stupid people with millions and millions of dollars because they don't know that coffee comes hot, or that heavy objects are subject to gravity.

I totaly agree with this punishment because this kid deserves a second chance, and before you neo cons piss all over my argument with a bullshiat statment that 200 poeple died, his actions have been noted and as a civilized society he will face consequences, and I bet everyone in Spain would agree with me.

FYI, all he did was transport the dynamite for them. The defense proved that at very least, he did NOT know what the explosives were going to be used for. I was claimed that he didn't even know WHAT he was delivering. The kid was 16 years old. I would have liked to see a slightly more harsh penalty, but there is NO WAY he should have served life or been executed as many of you are arguing.

"I was claimed" --> should read --> "IT was claimed."

Should'a fried the little bastard - in six years he will be praised by his militant followers or he will be bargained for by this week-arse government and released early.

Sad, but probably farking true.

That's it?

robogun: To all you bleeding hearts defending this punk while safely living in America, please leave immediately and move to Spain so you can get blown up by more of his ilk. Unlike America, Spain has sent a clear message: You are free to involve yourself in massive-scale murder, as long as you are underage.

mmm, my favorite: "if you don't like it, you can geeeeettttt ouuuuuuttt"!

anyway, what kinds of "clear messages" has america sent, using your logic? you are free to kill your ex-wife and some random waiter, as long as you were a really good professional running back? you are free to molest dozens of young boys, as long as you wear a funny collar and move to a different city when you get caught? people who possess small amounts of drugs are far more dangerous than rapists? people who SELL small amounts of drugs are far more dangerous than murderers? it's fine to execute the mentally retarded, and in fact if you are enough of a badass to let it happen when you have the power to stop it, we just might sort-of-but-not-really-elect you president someday? it's ok to attack a country and kill thousands of innocent people and allow thousands of american soldiers to die, as long as you make up some "justifications" for it (p.s. if the justifications prove to be lies, it doesn't matter)?

we have sent some pretty awesome "clear messages" too!

/america, fark yeah!

Ok, according to Spanish sources (Diario El Mundo) which I'm now just reading, it's 6 years imprisonment, 5 years parole, and 6 years inhabilitation
But he pleaded himself guilty of the charges of collaboration with an armed group, so it's not, as some of you have put it, just helping "steal and transport the explosives". Furthermore, he DID know it was explosives he was handling, and that didn't stop him from transporting them in a REGULAR BUS from Northern Spain to Madrid. Just imagine the bombs exploded right then, right there. Would you change your minds then, if people had died some days before, and not in the trains but in the bus, just because this asshole was carrying 40lbs worth of explosives in a backpack?

What IS it with anglophones and this obsession with prison?


More importantly, what's it with Farkers and their strange prison-rape fetishes?