You want me on that wall! You need me on that wall!

A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's f***ing faking he's dead."

"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head," Sites said.

NBC said the Marine, who had reportedly been shot in the face himself the previous day, said immediately after the shooting: "Well, he's dead now."
the thing is, after 5 days of being shot at i bet i would have done the same thing

2004-11-16 11:46:16 AM wvp8ntballer
GET THE LIBERAL MEDIA OUT OF IRAQ! This is absurd. NBC should be brought up on charges of SEDITION. If the media would have behaved like this during WWII THEY would have been shot along with the enemy combatants. When will people wake up and see that all these Islamo-facists understand is violence. Either you kill them or they kill you.

Welcome to the thread, Mr. Savage.

/you won. let it go

use a bigger font, please, Unixrat

oh, and by the way, reynolds foil is on sale at my local grocery store this week. i'll pick up some for you.

Too bad about the couch, though.

You guys are completely nutso. The Video shows the marines going into the building. There are several wounded sitting around against walls. The marine starts saying "that guy is farking faking dead - that guy's breathing." Then he shoots him and says "he's dead now."

That's it.

Wounded prisoner. On the ground. Unarmed (he had been disarmed by another group who was also present, as I understand it).

There is no excuse whatsoever for this type of behaviour.

As for all of you sayine "he was an insurgent - if he didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have been there." These are people defending their GOD DAMNED HOMES. Do you not get that? Enemy soldiers are invading their town, blowing crap up. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION?

This wouldn't even have been a controversy if the original news story had said, "...put a cap in..." or "...axed..."

The responses from these "soldiers" in the article was sickening to say the least...

The sad fact is that insurgent probably wouldn't have thought twice about killing that Marine had the situation been reversed.

The marine did it out of fear and the stress of combat. The insurgent would have done it in the glory of Allah.

A lot of people have been faking dead and then rolling over to shoot. Or bodies have been booby trapped.

It's a war. If I thought the guy was faking and might be armed, I wouldn't wait around to see if he shoots me or not. I'd shoot first.

Open the Hiroshima gift bag for Christmas.

If you have not seen the video, you really shouldn't be talking. It's in CNN. I tried to link to it earlier but it's not getting posted.

Yellowbeard

Likewise assfark, if you were not in his shoes(getting shot the day before and watching friends die daily) you really should shut the Fark up!

Praise be to Dancin_in_Anson !!!

/I could not have said it any better...

And oh LORD have the freepers come out in force for this thread!

I'm looking for a cite, but I think I read that just a block away, an insurgent was faking death until he pulled a grenade and killed a Marine and wounded 6 others.

Hell yeah, I'd be jumpy too. I'll say it again, I would much rather have me or my Marines pull the trigger and run the risk of getting charges filed against them rather than have them come home dead or injured.

Be back in a few.

911 operator:
First, let's make sure your friend is dead.


First thing that came to mind, and yes, I know that I am insensitive

judasdiomedes, these insurgants have many times used dirty tactics to take a few more soldiers out as they die...

until that sort of things stops i have no pity

"Accusing some one of murder here is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500."

Or some such.

This is the nature of War.
Horrible shiat happens.
Just imagine all of the things going on now that has not been caught on tape.
I am not for this war, I am not saying what the soldier did was right.
What I am saying is that it is ri-goddamn-diculous to try and place some sort of moral code on an event whos sole objective is murder.

War is War.
Not some farking tea party where you all have to follow the rules. I think it does kind of highlight the rampant hypocrisy in our social system and moral codes that we do try to do this.

Never been a single war where this hasn't happened. That's why you weigh the consequences reeeaal hard, because shiat like this, and a million other bad things, are inevitable.

Also, if half of you had RTFA, you would see the guy had already been shot, and left for the next unit along the way to pick up. That didn't happen. There was a breakdown in the system at some point, also inevitable.

If someone is suprised or unprepared for the bad shiat that's happening, well, you should have thought about it before hand.

This is the war y'all wanted. Deal with it.

Wow, this is escalating into Vietnam faster than you can say "My Lai". I mean is it that war has changed or simply that now these actions are reported around the world in less than a day. I think that it's the reporting. Soldiers have always acted this way, it's that it can now be streamed into our homes that makes us all uncomfortable with it. Killing an unarmed wounded enemy is wrong, but don't expect than it's going to change. Put anyone into situations like that and they will act like this solider did. Do you really believe that there is an inherant differerance between this soldier, an SS gaurd, a napoleonic solidier and yourself then you are very delusional. This is human nature.

By the way, does anyone here actually know the definition of "insurgent?"

Here it is, in case you were wondering:

insurgent

\In*sur"gent\, n. [Cf. F. insurgent.] A person who rises in revolt against civil authority or an established government; one who openly and actively resists the execution of laws; a rebel.

Known in the American colonies as a "minute man."

death(of anyone)=bad
marines coming together to defend the actions of their own=good

Americans still in iraq=bad
Iraqis still in iraq=????(this is where liberals and conservatives differ on the issue, just look)

Colgate gets the "post of the day" award with this one:

He was attending a wedding.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name:

Your not there you cannot make that call. They use animals, kids and even their own dead as weapons.

Every single Mosque in Falluja was used by the AIF to store weapons, rally points and attacking points. The fact is that there are any Mosque standing in Falluja is a testimate to the US and Iraqi forces good will and unrelenting resolve to be better than the enemy.

If the situation is such that the only option our soldiers have is to kill anyone and everything "just to be safe", then we just should not be there at all. I know I'm not there, and of course it is not my call- but the U.S. has agreed to rules of war that should be followed, or our own legitimacy is lost.

I'm honestly not trying to put down the marines or the military, and certainly not you personally (in fact, I genuinely thank you for your service). My point is that we can't give soldiers a free pass; they don't have a right to execute all unarmed combatants. If doing so is the only way to "succeed" in Iraq, then what will be left when we're done?

GoodHomer stole my point. The reason that we have treaties like the Geneva Convention is so people won't do this sort of thing to our troops. When we lower ourselves to the level of the terrorists, we justify their point of view and we only make them stronger.

The guy deserved to die, as would any US soldier in the same situation.

Bullshiat, and you know it. If an insurgent was caught on tape doing this to one of our Marines, you know damn well you'd be the first person to run in here screaming "Nuke 'em all!"

This is bad on its own, but we live in an age where we have this crazy things called VIDEO CAMERAS, and they have this amazing technology where they can record moving pictures and display them to people living throughout the world. In other words, this is a farking p.r. nightmare for us in the Arab world. We already have a horrible reputation, and things like this make it much, much worse.

Anyone defending this jackass is a war criminal, plain and simple, and would have been right at home in Nazi Germany.

America, FARK YEAH!

Tell Them I Hate Them once you or your buddies start shooting from that protected building, you forfeit that buildings status and the protected status of everyone in it.

If it runs it's VC. If it doesn't run it's a well disciplined VC.

aw, that version didn't have the swearing in it.
what a rip-off.

hanginbrains

I don't know what I would have done in that situation. However, I seriously doubt I would have shot some guy in the head when he posed no immediate threat to me.

"Battle Fatigue" is no excuse for this. This is an absolute outrage.

Leave him the fark alone.

/that is all

2004-11-16 11:51:15 AM Yellowbeard

You guys are completely nutso. The Video shows the marines going into the building. There are several wounded sitting around against walls. The marine starts saying "that guy is farking faking dead - that guy's breathing." Then he shoots him and says "he's dead now."

That's it.

Wounded prisoner. On the ground. Unarmed (he had been disarmed by another group who was also present, as I understand it).

There is no excuse whatsoever for this type of behaviour.

As for all of you sayine "he was an insurgent - if he didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have been there." These are people defending their GOD DAMNED HOMES. Do you not get that? Enemy soldiers are invading their town, blowing crap up. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION?

Defending their homes from what? A lot of these insurgents aren't even Iraqi's. What does that say? Iraq isn't their home, so what the hell are they protecting?

Once again, I'm amazed how many people apologize for the Marine as if he accidentally wrecked a car. He killed an unarmed man... the fact that many of you dehumanize the enemy to the point where killing an unarmed man can be dismissed with "Well, the soldier was probably tired or stressed." is farking ridiculous. The insinuation that war crimes are perfectly OK, with the sole justification being that we're at war is utterly terrifying.

Some people should RTFA. The guy who was shot was wounded and treated in an assault on the mosque a DAY earlier by another group of Marines. Then another group of marines came into the mosque, saw the wounded and dying guy and one of the marines shot him. Nice. I put this down as piss poor communications between units and command.

Congrats... You just made 1000 new insurgents.

These are the guys who snatching people off the streets, torturing them and cutting their heads off.

But it's important we treat them nice?

Marines don't take prisoners very well, what they do fantasically well is kill people and break things.

And if I survived getting shot in the face only to be sent right back in to the shiat, there wouldn't be a thing left that walked, crawled, swimmed, flew or slithered.

"No prisoners." Those were the rules put to us, or have we forgotten Matt Maupin? Have we forgotten those murdered American POW's during the run up to Baghdad? Have we forgotten all those headless hostages?

Damn it, all I wanted to do was make some soup and now I'm glued to this page.

Not sure if someone mentioned this earlier in the thread but, if a mosque or other religious site is used as an operational center for attacks on troops, it can be attacked, which is normally forbidden. Anyone still in that town should be thought of as a combatant, no one in their right mind would be there unless they were there to cause problems.

This Marine should be given a medal AND the 70 virgins the other guy won't get.

their GOD DAMNED HOMES.


No, they aren't. The people of Fallujah have been trying to get them to leave for a while now. Think more, shout less.

Yellowbeard

I'm glad you're not defending our country. Quit being naive, it's war.

El Bastardo:

Tell Them I Hate Them once you or your buddies start shooting from that protected building, you forfeit that buildings status and the protected status of everyone in it

A couple people have already commented on my post. If you look, I put "protected building" in quotes, since I was simply using the term someone else used. That's all.

2004-11-16 11:51:15 AM Yellowbeard
You guys are completely nutso. The Video shows the marines going into the building. There are several wounded sitting around against walls. The marine starts saying "that guy is farking faking dead - that guy's breathing." Then he shoots him and says "he's dead now."
That's it.
Wounded prisoner. On the ground. Unarmed (he had been disarmed by another group who was also present, as I understand it).
There is no excuse whatsoever for this type of behaviour.

As for all of you sayine "he was an insurgent - if he didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have been there." These are people defending their GOD DAMNED HOMES. Do you not get that? Enemy soldiers are invading their town, blowing crap up. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION?


how is attacking iraqis looking to be policemen waiting in line "defending their homes"? how is planting car boms in markets full of civilians "defending their homes?"

Model_Citizen Those Marines that were entering the building thought that the mosque was re-occupied by insurgents and they were going to take over the building.

so, everybody here is SO sure that this insurgent wasn't faking, that he didn't have an explosive belt under his clothes that woudl be set off by a switch when he was moved, or had a pistol hidden underneath him?

ok. you guys are smart. s-m-r-t