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2002-02-22 03:20:36 PM
God that's awful, people are so farked, who didn't teach these people it was wrong to go around shooting people in the head?

Humans suck!
 
2002-02-22 03:26:17 PM
It's Clinton's fault.
 
2002-02-22 03:26:26 PM
If he had given the purse back to it's rightful owner and not been acting like a piece of trash, he wouldn't have gotten shot in the head.
 
2002-02-22 03:28:45 PM
bah even if he was being an ass and wanted money for finding someone personal stuff, that still doesnt give anyone the right to kill him.
 
2002-02-22 03:30:21 PM
He should have just gotten a job spreading pine straw or something...you won't get shot over that.
 
2002-02-22 03:34:55 PM
If some strange guy was wrestling with my wife over her purse, I might react the same way.
 
2002-02-22 03:39:42 PM
If he wanted money, he should've kept the purse. Fought over the reward, what a idiot. A good Samaritan with an asterisk. Jesus would be proud.
 
2002-02-22 03:51:50 PM
I see it like this:

it was *her* purse.

gonzalez was having a tugging match w/ said rightful owner, her brother in law uses force to protect her.

In Mexico, it is common to pay for good deeds, but not as much here, when in Rome...DON'T TUG ON THE LOCALS' PURSE!
 
2002-02-22 03:53:20 PM
It is also common to shoot people in the head for their purse in Mexico City, so what's the big deal here?
 
sos
2002-02-22 04:01:16 PM
Here's a happier story about someone returning $4000 they found: Boys who turned in lost money are rewarded for their honesty This is what should happen when you return something that isn't yours.
 
2002-02-22 04:03:56 PM
Stinkbug:
Ain't talkin' 'bout Fon-tana
 
2002-02-22 04:05:48 PM
1. find lost purse/wallet/briefcase/child/etc.

2. extract money/valuables/kidneys/etc. leave I.D.

3. drop container/non-valuables in street corner mailbox.

4. mailman will return wallet/purse/etc. to rightful owner sans goodies, owner will blame carrier & shoot him/her.

5. you live a live of luxury & extravagance on someone else's nickel.
 
2002-02-22 04:46:04 PM
Note that the boys didn't hold the lost property ransom the way the lawn guy did.

''I knew I had to turn it in because it didn't belong to me,'' Jarvarious said.

Yep.
 
2002-02-22 04:58:20 PM
Mark Anderson, 38, of San Bernardino, remained in jail without bail Tuesday. He faces one count of murder and a special allegation of using a handgun, Clem said.

Special allegation of using a handgun?? Not only did you kill someone, but YOU USED A HANDGUN!!! You're gonna fry.


Isn't this wnat the NRA has been touting? Special penalties if you use a gun in the commission of a crime? Or am I wrong about that?
 
2002-02-22 05:03:21 PM
This is why you just take what you want and leave it laying around like that dumb biatch did to begin with. Even if he was asking for $50 in return, the phone was probably worth about that much, and he got killed. That poor bastard can't win for losing.
 
2002-02-22 05:46:27 PM
Fark.com - the only place on the web where 30$ of the population tries to justify coldblooded murder. Go us :(
 
2002-02-22 06:03:02 PM
Sos: Those kids got to go to a Tampa Bay Devil Rays game as a reward. Hmm, I think I'd take the gunshot to the head instead!
 
2002-02-22 06:05:47 PM
The "special allegation of using a handgun" is merely a law passed in order to enhance the crime. Unfortunately in this day and age a piece of shiat who commits murder is apt to be back out on the streets in a matter of a few years. Unfortunately, there is nothing law enforcement, nor your district attorney, nor even the courts, when it comes time for parole, can do to prevent this.

Since most murders are commited with a firearm, some, if not most, states have passed a law to enhance the crime of murder, when it is coupled with the use of a firearm.

I am a gun owner, yet I approve of this law because if that poor lawn guy was my relative, I would be highly pissed off if the shooter were back out on the streets in a few years. So if it takes some type of enhancement to the original charge of murder to keep this farking SOB locked up, hopefully for good, then so-be-it.

I am not from Texas, but I would bet you that if he had killed the guy with a knife, the potential punishment would not be as harsh as having this "special allegation" on top of the murder charge.

Yeah, the guy was kind of a moron for asking for a reward, but if I could shoot every moron in the town where I live, they'd have to re-take the census.
 
sos
2002-02-22 06:11:23 PM
Skooter, sure the Devil Rays aren't very good, but I think the kids would still be really excited about going. I catch your drift though. :)
 
2002-02-22 06:13:47 PM
Gohan, that's just name-calling. No one here is advocating cold-blooded murder. The guy was a thief-- he had her property and seemingly was attacking her, which would make him a robber. No one says he was therefore deserving of death, but the circumstances were far away from "murder."

Are you "advocating" theft and robbery? I don't think so.

Of course in half the other threads, I'm accused of being a bleeding heart liberal pansy, so go figure.

Anyway, I think it shows a lack of respect for the law and logic and this discourse to go slinging words like "murder" around without any apparent knowledge of what they really mean. You're talking about a guy who's on trial here. Yes, showing up at this kind of meet with a gun is reckless, macho grandstanding-- inexcusable. But did he commit murder? You think you can decide, given the scanty facts we have (which seem to point away from murder anyway), that this man is guilty of a capital crime? Then why even have a trial, Gohan? Why try to get the facts? Let's just lock the bastard up now.
 
2002-02-22 06:20:35 PM
I should have worded my question, "Are you 'trying to justify' theft and robbery?"
 
2002-02-22 06:23:49 PM
There is a law in Illinois, I'm sure there's a similar one in TX., called "Theft of Lost or Mislaid Property." Failure to return found items can be turned into a theft charge. A Class B misdemeanor. Maximum sentence 6 months in County jail. I've yet to see the courts hand out a death sentence for this, but that's what Lawnmower Man got.

The fact of the matter is she apparently agreed to pay the reward. Probably just in order to get the guy to the parking lot, otherwise he wouldn't have met with her. However, it is obvious that Lawnmower Man had the purse and the shoving match ensued, because if she had had $50 in the purse, he'd have took it and left. She went for purse. He wouldn't let go till she gave him money. She refused. Probably more of a tug of war than a pushing match. Gun toting brother-in-law shoots lawnmower man. Whoever said this is robbery is a FARKING IDIOT. This guy was executed for a misdemeanor.
 
2002-02-22 06:32:55 PM
Kill the three assholes, skin them, and send the flesh to the family in Mexico to make purses and wallets out of.
 
2002-02-22 06:43:07 PM
Blueknightryder7, I may be a farking idiot, but theft plus battery equals robbery. You already classified Lawnmower's behavior as theft. If he shoved her to keep hold of the stolen property, that makes it robbery.

And it doesn't appear to me that the shooter was dispensing summary justice in the parking lot. If the guy was shoving his sister-in-law around, then he was defending her. Maybe the use of lethal force was unjustified. Either way, it doesn't seem right to say he administered "the death penalty" or that this was "premeditated murder."

Does anyone here have any respect for the facts or the law? Again, why even have a trial?
 
2002-02-22 07:15:20 PM
Boorite:

Not so. Robbery is the act of forcibly taking something from one's person. Theft is taking something which merely does not belong to you. EX: Stealing something from your yard, or off your unenclosed porch. While we are on the topic, burglary is "entering into a building or dwelling with the intent to commit a theft".

In this case, Lawnmowerman already had the purse. Her act of trying to retrieve it from him, and him not relinquishing it does not constitute this as a robbery. However, if he had given her back possession of the purse and then had a change of heart when she refused to give him the money and THEN tried to forcibly take back the purse, then it is ROBBERY.

It sounds like trivial BS, stealing should be stealing, but, at least here in Illinois, the laws are broken down into different categories of "stealing". I would imagine them to be the same or similar in most states.

PS. No offense intended by the farking idiot comment, been a long day.
 
2002-02-23 08:31:58 PM
Having spent decades around Hispanics and a horde of illegals I am aware of how their culture views females... as property. Obey the man. Or be beat. I hear of much more wife beatings, stabbings, killings etc from the 3rd-world culture invading us than what occurs amongst those possessing an American culture. I wouldn't be surprised if that Mexican became very verbally and physically aggressive with a lowly female that didn't obey him. Seen it happen WAY too much. Don't toss the crap about how Whites do it too. I know that. Duh. However... live amongst the invading horde and see the wonders of their ignorant backwards 3rd-world culture.
 
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