cha cha

Assuming arguendo that is true; do you think it just might have something to do with the fact that the Democratic party wants to take away their resources and give them instead to individuals who don't work?

Codyl-

Good one Cody. And while you're at it, send those sentiments to the 10000 Iraqi civs and their families, I'm sure it will stop the pain.

Love, God.

How much of the U.S. population consists of drag queens? Last time I checked they were here primary (and still dwindling) audience. Doesn't seem like this message is going to be affecting too many people.

This thread makes the baby Sean Penn cry.

Hebalo - Was this a country in need of rebuilding before you broke it?

Definitely. And I wouldn't say we broke it. I'd say we had to take it apart to see what was wrong with it. We are currently ordering new parts and will have them installed soon. Hopefully the thing will purr like a kitten when we're done. Otherwise we may have to do a complete overhaul, and you know how expensive that can get. In that case, we may just have to junk the whole thing and upgrade to a new model.

Um...not to start a two front war, Asmodeane, but I'm not so certain I would want something resembling a western democracy as a neighbor in their position either. Invading their country and torturing their citizens isn't very neighborly.

"Can I borrow a screwdriver, neighbor?"

/love the Family Guy

And I would like to blame Madonna's dancers...

BeerNut

"Michael Moore
Madonna

The anti-war folks are building one hell of a coalition."

Wow...that sure showed the peace lovers! SNAP

Hey, untrusthworthy:

CORPORATE DEMOCRACY + ATAVISTIC RELIGIOUS CULTURE = TIMEBOMB.

Do the math, b.

Fark that biatch.

When you follow

Hebalo:

Wtf is it with you getting personal?

With

Tard.

I stop taking you seriously.



Didn't mean "You" broke it, meant the Americans. Calm your ass down.

Another person on a world tour. I think his opinion matters a little bit more than Madonna's.

Celebrities. Always thinking that their opinion is more valuable than anyone else's. How... quaint.

That said, I fully agree that our troops need to come home as soon as possible. the only question I can't answer is when that will be.

Sad, really.

/how long before the really inflammatory posts start rearing up?

You know, come to think of it. I'm pretty sure I asked Madonna to stop singing, acting and speaking a few years ago. She didn't listen to me, so why the heck should I listen to her, or read shtuff she said.

/I said good day!

Evilsockm:

Their opinion IS more important that everyone elses...they reach a much larger audience, therefore their message is more important than yours.

How long, O Lord, how long?

put her on the list with Kat Stephens

stupid whore

"To me, that's treason. I call it treason against rock 'n' roll because rock is the antithesis of politics. Rock should never be in bed with politics."
- Alice Cooper

Though I guess cheesy pop stars like Madonna are fair game.

Hebalo

Wtf is it with you getting personal? Did I say I'm an american? Did I say that I live there? Could you perhaps bother to click on my nick and read the farking profile? Tard.

Whoopsy. Somebody just got owned.

Hebalo:

By saying "You" I assumed you implied as in "You Americans", as if the only person capable of defending America's actions on Iraqi soil has to be an American himself. And "tard" was obviously not intended as a serious insult or somesuch. Therefore, I do not need to calm my already frosty cool butt down!

There! See? Now you can start taking me seriously again!

It is? Holy hell! Then I best get to building that shrine to my TV!

If anything, celebrity opinions should be fully discarded by everyone at large. We've all seen enough episodes of CRIBS to know we don't live in the same world.

Don't get me wrong, the same goes for The Nuge as for Madonna.

This is not a left vs. right issue. This is a celebrities are farking morons and should stick to singing, dancing, acting, botoxing etc and not try to lecture people who live in the real world issue.

/now go get your shinebox

Celebrities. Always thinking that their opinion is more valuable than anyone else's. How... quaint.


Nor LESS valuable as anyone elses. Being an Actor or Musician doesn't automatically mean you're less informed or intelligent than anyone else.

Evilsockm:

I'm talking from a pragmatic sense, man. You have to admit...more people will follow Madonna's advice than yours...unless youre an IT guy or something.

DaryoonTDP - CORPORATE DEMOCRACY + ATAVISTIC RELIGIOUS CULTURE = TIMEBOMB.

That's right. The people of the middle east are too far gone to accept any modern forms of a representative government. I should have realized that. I am such a fool to believe that people everywhere deserve to have a say in how their society is run. Oh well. I guess I'll just look down my nose at them and sneer instead.

/obvious sarcasm

Hebalo
"Nor LESS valuable as anyone elses. Being an Actor or Musician doesn't automatically mean you're less informed or intelligent than anyone else."

No but saying dumb things like "My feelings are 'can we just all get out?" makes your opinion less informed.

Every person has the right to voice their opinion... and being famous gives a person the oppurtunity to reach millions of... oh wait...

Madonna?

Oh, that biatch needs to just shut the fark up.

untrustworthy:

Everytime we've "freed" a third world country it's become a hellhole.

Haiti, Nicaragua, Veet-naam, now Iraq.

And you know those people, the um, 'arabs', yeah..I dont think its appreciated when our President says we are "freeing" them for OUR security. But whatever.

Ward's_Back

I concur with that list, for the most part, but Bono's done some good work for Africa. I wouldn't let him tell me who to vote for, but I'd thank him for his charitable efforts.

I'm just amazed at how people could want US troops to withdraw from Iraq.

Message to the extreme Left: We are already there!

Pulling out now just condemns the Iraqi people to civil war, famine, and massive terrorist attacks. Does your hatred of President Bush really make your brain hemorrage so easily that you think withdrawing our troops would bring peace?

How about this: It is duly noted that you are against the war. Nobody is claiming that you are now in favor of the war. War is baaaaaaaad. Ok, we got it.

But now that we are there we have to do the right thing, stay until Iraq is stable. Can you at least agree on this?

Hang On Voltaire - No but saying dumb things like "My feelings are 'can we just all get out?" makes your opinion less informed.

I'll second that.

Dear Celebrities,

You are here for entertainment purposes only. Although you are entitled to your opinion, you do not set policy.

Sincerely,


The Rest of America

And "tard" was obviously not intended as a serious insult or somesuch.

Really. Then how was intended? What did that add to the dialog exactly. You took a shot at me, pure and simple. And you did it while accusing me of doing the same to you.

That makes you a hypocrite. But I can let it go, I'm happy to continue debating.

Hang On Voltaire

Are you saying no celebrities should be allowed to air their personal opinions, valid or in-valid, on matters not related to entertainment?

Ward's_Back:

Ha, that's assuming that the rich work, and if you think that, there's something wrong with you. They don't work anywhere near as hard as the lower branches of society and often inherit their money (George Bush, Paris Hilton etc. etc.) And i'm not even going to mention unearned income won basically by chance. The fact of the matter is that most of the wealthy neither need nor deserve the money they have. Second, welfare is a provision that allows for basic sustenance which is a basic right anyways. One shouldn't have to work bad jobs merely to survive while others are allowed to work easy jobs they enjoy and make many times the amount they need. Thirdly, people on welfare are for the most part not at all like the lazy worthless dogs the media is so fond of portraying them as. Many of them will work harder than Bill Gates ever will.

DaryoonTDP

The worse thing we could do for the Iraqi civs is to pull out. If we pull out now in in the neer future the country WILL disolve into chaos and civil war. We can and should pull out when we have some real order restored. Hopfully, that will be somewhat soon and by soon I meen within a year or two. Keep in mind however, that we are STILL In Germany and Japan after all these years.

DaryoonTDP:

That last part was actually pretty funny :)

But seriously, I do not possess the delusion that my opinion means diddly to anyone outside my immediate (and real, not internet anonymous) circle of friends and family. I just think it's sad that the fact that Madonna, or Streisand, or Sting, OR the Nuge, or Bruce Willis, or Mel Gibson will be taken more seriously than the rest of the country.

Celebrity != spokesperson for the general populace, though many think so.

btw, why IT guy, because it's in my profile?

DaryoonTDP - And you know those people, the um, 'arabs', yeah..I dont think its appreciated when our President says we are "freeing" them for OUR security. But whatever.

Really? Well I think they appreciated it quite a bit when we booted their loathed dictator out of power. They don't care for the occupation, but many Iraqis feel that they are better off now than they were before the invasion. So nyah!

Pulling out now just condemns the Iraqi people to civil war, famine, and massive terrorist attacks.

What is that based on? Why would terrorists attack Iraq if the Americans weren't there? Who is to say that things wouldn't settle themselves? Do you assume that the people of Iraq are ignorant, and unable to set up a government?

This wasn't a third world country, though it looks like one these day.

She has had more wood inside her than the loading dock of a lumberyard.

mindbuzz

"Hang On Voltaire
Are you saying no celebrities should be allowed to air their personal opinions, valid or in-valid, on matters not related to entertainment?"

You know damn well that is not what I am saying. But I am sick of the media treating their opinions like they matter more than mine or yours. That just feeds their egos that they should speak out on things they know nothing about. Plus Madonna is an idiot, again I point to her statement "My feelings are 'can we just all get out?"

Hebalo - Is this a country you can afford to become a breeding ground for terrorist fundies who absolutely hate the west? ...no matter who farked it up?

Finger pointing does not solve problems.

If I ran the show, I'd be mighty tempted to pull the fark out. Let them kill each other to their heart's content, let them build for themselves the oppressive fundamentalist hell of their dreams, and then leave them to their devices until they gave me a damned good reason to kick their ass. Hey, even a fundie government can be leaned on... who have we to lean on in Iraq, right now? No one who is worth a damn.

Then again, millions of innocent Iraqis would die. Not all of them would be fundamentalist screwheads. A democratic Iraq might be a better neighbor to America, and the rest of the world.

Bush farked up big time, and it sucks that everyone but the people responsible for creating the situation are paying for it, but the situation must be resolved.

i think that all of the mass graves that soldiers are finding is proof enough the place was broke long before we got there...

Hebalo

"Pulling out now just condemns the Iraqi people to civil war, famine, and massive terrorist attacks.
What is that based on? Why would terrorists attack Iraq if the Americans weren't there? Who is to say that things wouldn't settle themselves? Do you assume that the people of Iraq are ignorant, and unable to set up a government?
This wasn't a third world country, though it looks like one these day"

Because the terrorists are looking for a base of operations and if we pull out of Iraq that is what they get. Of course the people of Iraq can run things themselves, but Fallujah was being run by a bunch of thugs who killed intentionally killed innocent civilians http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/topstories_story_315113958.html. No citizens can run a government of their own when they are being oppressed.

VideoVader

Just to clarify; 'Ward's Law' says nothing about the relative moral worth of 'single-named' celebrities or their philanthropic endeavors. It merely asserts that such celebrities' views on socio-political issues are irrelevant (or at least no more relevant than any other layperson's).

If someone should think otherwise, I'm sure they'd like to listen to my great aunt's opinion on the current situation in the Ivory Coast....

From BBCArabic.com:I am originally from Falluja. I support the government in its use of force to rid us from the terrorist gangs that have been wrecking havoc in my city and causing pain to my people. I say to Arabs outside Iraq: Please save us your comments because you don't know the crimes that have been committed by these gangs under the guise of religion and resistance.
Ahlam Jamil, Iraq

Hebalo - What is that based on? Why would terrorists attack Iraq if the Americans weren't there? Who is to say that things wouldn't settle themselves? Do you assume that the people of Iraq are ignorant, and unable to set up a government?

No, just that they don't all agree. Surrounding Arabic countries would prefer them to become a theocracy, and would fund those parties which they felt would work for a godly Iraq, just as America (perhaps other nations, as well) would prefer Iraq to become a democracy, and do the same. Then, there's the inevitable, ambitious warlords.

Civil war would be virtually guaranteed.

Hang On Voltaire

Ok. I kind of get what you are saying. However, the right wingers seem to be having a field day namechecking, in a negative way, any celebrity that supported kerry or has spoken out against the war...as in how dare they step outside of their little isolated boxes.... Of course their celebrity endorsers do have valid opinions and can circumvent the anti-celebrity bashing.

Also, peaceful, organized government revolutions aren't exactly characteristic of the Middle East, or anywhere else.