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(Fox News)   Ashcroft says God needs the DOJ to guard freedom.   ( divider line
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2002-02-20 04:09:14 PM  

*bows out, hilarity ensues...
2002-02-20 04:09:32 PM  
Ashcroft says God needs the DOJ to guard freedom.

Funny, I didn't see that in the article.
2002-02-20 04:10:22 PM  
This Ashfark dude is really getting on my nerves bringing in God into the justice system.

He should be preaching in church instead of in politics.
2002-02-20 04:12:21 PM  
I am a Christian but I think this is inappropriate.
2002-02-20 04:12:23 PM  
Oh about an over-inflated sense of duty. If only I wasn't from Missouri!!
2002-02-20 04:12:33 PM  
"For people of all faiths -- be they Christians, Jews or Muslims -- it is impossible not to see the stark difference between the way of God and the way of the terrorists..."

Unless you were the one of the terrorists who thought that God was on their side and their cause for "justice". God can be manipulated into supporting whatever cause you can come up with. Ashcoft has no monopoly there.
2002-02-20 04:13:35 PM  
Pfft, Ashcroft. Coming from a religion whose tenets include a ban on dancing. Dancing! Ashcroft probably liked some of the Taliban's policies.
2002-02-20 04:14:35 PM  
Bush may be dumb, but he's not out and out frightening like this Ashcroft guy. I hear he was pretty wacko in Missouri, but I think losing an election to a dead guy must have totally fried his brain.

Yet more proof that religion is more trouble than it's worth.
2002-02-20 04:14:58 PM  
God and war don't mix, whether it's a war against terrorism or a war against infidels.
2002-02-20 04:16:17 PM  
what a complete tool!
2002-02-20 04:16:28 PM  
"For people of all faiths -- be they Christians, Jews or Muslims -- it is impossible not to see the stark difference between the way of God and the way of the terrorists. It is the difference between a hero and a murderer, a fireman and a suicide bomber, a culture of life and a culture of death. It is the difference between those who would die to save the innocent and those who would die to destroy the innocent,"

Doesn't sound like preachin to me...actually sound pretty good to me.

What are you anti-fundies afraid of? and how likely is that fear going to materialize?
2002-02-20 04:16:40 PM  
"We will preserve the rule of law because it is the rule of law that keeps us both civilized and free."

AKA Slavery=Freedom.
2002-02-20 04:17:12 PM  
Wow, it's almost as though he's not ashamed to be a Christian.

Just remember, it was the Democrats who kept the polls open late in St. Louis who prevented Ashcroft from becoming just one of 100 Senators. Now thanks to them, he is The Man.
2002-02-20 04:17:36 PM  
"The guarding of freedom that God grants is the noble charge of the Department of Justice."

2002-02-20 04:17:38 PM  
Ashcroft is a tool... a very scary tool.
2002-02-20 04:17:38 PM  
I don't get the problem. The Constitution refers its purpose; to "guarantee the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity" When coupled with the idea that the Declaration of Independence declare that these "blessings of liberty" are given by God, the conclusion is that the goverments should exist to safeguard God given freedoms. Lincoln often said the same.
So the idea that Ashcroft says that his office, like the military, exist to safeguard God given freedoms is entirely consistent with the founders. It is not consistent with the PC world where the founders are mere dead white men. I would submit that the response has more to do with the feelings toward Ashcroft than the "American-ness" of what he said. In sum; the American approach was historically that God grants inalienable rights, that among these are life and liberty. Goverment exists to safeguard these rights.
2002-02-20 04:17:42 PM  
Flizame Bizate.

Post some interesting articles. The news isn't THAT slow today.
2002-02-20 04:18:28 PM  
Does anybody ever think to retort to this moron with, say, something like "What about the American Indians, John? Was your God there too? Methinks that if I recall history correctly he was, so......shove it in your ass biatch!"
2002-02-20 04:18:35 PM  
what's an anti-fundie?
I love fun.
2002-02-20 04:18:54 PM  
That "article" made very little sense.
"Ashcroft vowed that justice will come not along religious lines, but in spite of the terrorists' attempts to exploit their religion in order to betray it."
WTF?! Do those two phrase connnect somehow?

More like ASScroft....huh huh huh
2002-02-20 04:19:15 PM  
My God, son, are you blinking!? You're going to Hell now.
2002-02-20 04:20:08 PM  
"The guarding of freedom that God grants is the noble charge of the Department of Justice. It is a cause in which all people may participate," he said. "The purpose of government is not to crush that freedom, or to override that freedom, but to respect it, to nurture it, and through it to unleash the potential of every human being."

He didn't say that God needs the DOJ to defend freedom. He said that God provides freedom. The DOJ (in his mind) needs to protect what GOD gave "us"

Nothing wrong with saying that.
2002-02-20 04:20:25 PM  
anti-fundie = 99.9% of FARKers
2002-02-20 04:20:35 PM  
tell Ashcroft to free my Latino brothers in California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas from US imperialism and let them have their own country.

Wait, that would never happen. The US tolerates no dissent now.

2002-02-20 04:20:57 PM  
ElwoodCuse I think you got it exactly right.

He's the Attorney General of a SECULAR country, for crying out loud. He shouldn't be using it as his pulpit!!! Most of our founding fathers were deists (very different from CHRISTIAN) who were very careful to remove religion from the law of the land. If you can't follow that credo, don't take the job. I've just about had it with this guy!
2002-02-20 04:21:01 PM  
Slugger - But a government should be more than self-preservation.
2002-02-20 04:21:25 PM  
I don't see the irony. He's simply saying that government can be used to promote good or it can be used to promote evil. There is a clear distinction between good and evil, to me.
2002-02-20 04:21:45 PM  
Oh, and A-Bomb, I agree. I submitted an article about a guy who made soup out of his boss. I'm not cryin' here, but come on! How many 150+ post flamebait threads can a fella sort through in a day?
(answer in next weeks issue)
2002-02-20 04:22:01 PM  
Remember everyone, this is the guy who lost a gubernatorial race to a DEAD MAN!!! GWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Man, what a loser...
2002-02-20 04:22:54 PM  
At least Ashcroft is doing a pretty good job protecting Justice, with that curtain and all.
2002-02-20 04:23:56 PM  
re: "But what about the Native American Indians"

Well, what about the Celts? The Roman's beat them up all over Europe. Let's track down their ancestors and give them back all of Europe.

What happened in the past is history. Ooops. Sorry shiat happened MANY generations ago. It's time to move on.
2002-02-20 04:24:02 PM  
Jova-I agree. I personally have a more expansionist view of Govt than the founders, but I believe that the role of Govt, in their eyes at least, was to protect God given freedoms and get out of the way.
2002-02-20 04:26:41 PM  
Government can promote good or it can promote evil, but it does't have to promote one religion or another. Ashcroft can be an adamant Christian if he wants to be during his own time, but not while he's directing the judicial system.
2002-02-20 04:26:51 PM  
'Tis noble to want to rid the world of evil. Lord knows there's enough of it. But even Jesus, the CHRIST, didn't rid the world of evil. As I understand it, he simply gave us lifeline OUT of it, even though we don't deserve it.

(If I understand the issue.)
2002-02-20 04:27:37 PM  
um... how about keeping the religious rhetoric out of politics? i mean, i know that's asking a lot... but we want this farking middle east mess to NOT look like a religious war, right? don't we? hello?
2002-02-20 04:27:46 PM  
Don't look now Attorney General Ashcroft, the statue boobies are coming to get you!
2002-02-20 04:29:02 PM  
Ashcroft = Idiot
2002-02-20 04:30:04 PM  
Phix-it, that's not really true, the Celts did a pretty good job of defending their turf in Britain. Look at Hadrian's Wall, the Romans built it to keep the Celts from attacking them...

As for the continent, the Germanic tribes used to beat up on the Romans pretty regularly...

But anyhow, let's get back to Ashcroft and his attempts at beating up freedom...

2002-02-20 04:30:13 PM  
Hope we can weed out that .1 %

Refer back to Mormon thread.
2002-02-20 04:30:28 PM  
For people of all faiths -- be they Christians, Jews or Muslims

I'd love to know why they always make it sound like you're either xtian muslim or jewish if you're religious

why can't they just say for people of all faiths -- whatever that may be
2002-02-20 04:32:47 PM  
Rosalea, because has designated that there are only to be three religions in the U.S., that's all his feeble brain can keep track of.

2002-02-20 04:32:58 PM  
why can't they just say for people of all faiths -- whatever that may be



right? something like that?
2002-02-20 04:34:13 PM  
A-Bomb: No joke. I posted an article earlier about some NSync toolbox trying to go to Mir. But political crap is more appropriate to the mods these days. Methinks they are tools themselves.
2002-02-20 04:34:19 PM  
my god can beat up your god.

nyah nyah.
2002-02-20 04:34:52 PM  
IFeelNothing: The Branch Davidians were Christians, but they were still a cult...

2002-02-20 04:36:22 PM  
why can't they just say for people of all faiths -- whatever that may be

Don't forget those of us that don't sleep with security blankets! Its the way of GOOD. Stupid Ashcroft can't even spell.
2002-02-20 04:36:47 PM  
Asscraft can bite my ballbag.
2002-02-20 04:36:59 PM  
This country was founded on religious freedom. It's groups like the ACLU that have made this country more secular, which is not what the founding fathers had in mind. Ashcroft is free to state his religious beliefs without it being considered promotion. The founding fathers were religious. They believed that God has ultimate control over everything and that Government is subject to God. Nothing that Ashcroft said is unconstitutional. Government and religion are not mutually exclusive as the ACLU would like you to believe.
2002-02-20 04:37:20 PM  
Louisville Slugger,

The scary thing about this guy is that he is using the same line of reasoning that produced Manifest Destiny, which lead to the slaughter of thousands of innocents.
2002-02-20 04:38:39 PM  
My faith is in the Constitution. I am not too sure Ashcroft does such a good job with that.
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