Burchill said today: "I am pleased beyond belief that Channel 4 has seen fit to broadcast my perverted little work - I happily anticipate outrage from middle England and fan mail from underage girls."

Hmm, he seems a bit to eager for the jailbate love letters...

The authoress in question. Yum yum.

Alexandra

Why do guys like lesbians so much? It's not like those girls would be interested in guys....

You see ... girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice ... whilst guys are comprised largely of snips, snails and puppy-dog tails.

A Channel 4 spokeswoman said that the drama would include lesbian sex scenes but the girls cast would be at least 16.

God bless England! I got a bit misty eyed just reading that.

FYI:
United States Code
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 110 > 2256

2256. Definitions for chapter

Release date: 2004-08-06

For the purposes of this chapter, the term
(1) minor means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2) sexually explicit conduct means actual or simulated
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;
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(8) child pornography means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(D) such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
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2004-11-05 01:16:23 AM Bhruic


Why do guys like lesbians so much? It's not like those girls would be interested in guys....

Actually, it's not really the "lesbian" angle that is interesting. It's the multiple women being naked and having sex with each other angle that's fun. I mean, one woman by herself masturbating can be nice and all, but it's best to have some interaction going. Now, you could add a guy, but then you have to deal with some other guy's penis in your porn. That's no good. Much better to add another woman. More vaginas and boobies to go around, less penises to get in the way.
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GodDAYUMN! I thought I was the ONLY guy to have that reason!

Now, does any other guy here think that being a lesbian would be cool? C'mon, all the unprotected farking you could want without any fear of chilluns! That'd rock.

Anyone seen "Farking Amal"?

Title has been de-swearanized.

Alexandra

Why do guys like lesbians so much? It's not like those girls would be interested in guys...

Perhaps you haven't heard about the multitude of females who enjoy hanging out around gay guys. In some rare cases, they actually marry gay guys, such as in the case of Cole Porter. (BTW, by "hanging around" I do not mean to imply that anyone who befriends a homosexual is at all at fault, I just am too tire to think of a proper way of describing what has become known in the parlaince of our times as a "fag-hag[sic].")

CalperniaX

* Once again, hetero guys are getting off on (underage!) lesbian sex, when most of them would put the beat down on gay guys getting off on two 16 year old boys making out. The whole eroticization of faux lesbianism by straight guys reveals such hypocrisy.

While I'm not sure how to "put the beat down" on someone, it sounds kind of like some 80's dance lingo. Anywho, I'm in support of both varieties of homosexuals and transgendered, etc., I just have no interest in watching them do it. I'm not sure it's right to say "faux" lesbianism has become eroticized, because any kind of lesbianism will do for most men.

Unreasonably_Callous_Man

C'mon, all the unprotected farking you could want ...

FINE! ... but I still think that the whole sugar and spice thing enters into it somewhere

When is the last time any of you have seen a lesbian couple you would want to get in the middle of?

/thinks "Lipstick Lesbians" are a myth

Retribution

Have seen plenty HOT ONES "play lesbian" and make out at the bar for free drinks :):)

/me lives near beach

it's the pooper that's the problem dude. ya just gotta stay away from the pooper.. in all cases.. guy vs girl, girl vs girl, guy vs guy, girl vs girl vs girl... it's all good until the pooper gets thrown into the picture. I mean, if gay guys wanna play with each others peepees all day long (because they like the peepee) that's cool with me. But come'on now, stay away from the pooper!! That is my best answer for the 'hipocrocy' thing. dude.

Silly British (and they wonder why they are not a world power).

This has all been done before. Doesn't anyone remember Blossom?

ahhh the pooper ... you make a good point ... BUT (no pun intended) I have found chix to be a bit disingenuous on the whole anal thing. Once I dated a girl who lived in fear of the anal ... not that I was even going there ... but I walked in our shared bathroom on morning and found "baskwash" that would have made John Holmes blush ... how can it be big going in if you regularly (once again no pun intended) have bigger giong out?

A straight friend of mine who works in the floral industry used to take me to a hot lesbian bar. He was welcome because he was constantly surrounded by and accepted by the gay community - both male and female.

Probably 1/4 to 1/2 of the women were bi. I found the conversations intellectually stimulating and really enjoyed the bar. (A guy at a lesbian bar better only be intellectually aroused!)

It was obvious that some of the ladies swung both ways.

OK, now let's take that experience and apply it to guys observing lesbians - uh, 1/4 to 1/2 are bi and will hit on the right guy.

Any more exxplanation needed for guys enkoying watching girl-girl encounters?

PinkFarkingFloyd

It is all about the pooper.

Sounds like a tv-version of this movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/

Interesting how middle america and middle england have so much in common.

merreborn

Interesting how middle america and middle england have so much in common.

You mean like a common language and socio-political history?

First, I think it's fu<ked up hire teenagers to have sex on camera in any way, shape, form or combination. Sex is great, but paying people to simulate it (or do it) on camera is too much like prostitution for my liking.

Secondly, it makes you wonder. Will they have actual normal looking teenagers? As in, girls who are going through the akward teenage pubescant growth phase? Girls with zits, weight problems, etc... or will they all just be dolled up, pretty girls etc... That, in my mind, will be the acid test of weather or not this is just soft/medium core porn cause "everyone likes naked girls doing it" or if it's an actual show meant to depict an actual part of peoples lives.

What worries me most is how much the shows female producer is playing up the girl-girl sex angle. If she herself is just doing sex value lesbian-teenager-get ya'-horny bit.

KW

"how can it be big going in if you regularly (once again no pun intended) have bigger giong out?"

I don't really get your question.. but what's coming out is yucky stuff.. built up in my bell-llay by strange forces. There isn't much attactive about that. It has no choice to come out.. so it does. and I don't like my pooper. So I know I don't want anything forcefully going up there. But some do.. weird dude.

"Cheerio, spit spot, fish and chips...."

http://www.ukimmigrate.co.uk/

Calmamity: "So middle England is full of tightasses trying to impose their twisted morals on the rest of the country, too?"

Wait, so even thinking, for one moment, that teen lesbian sex scenes being broadcasted on television automatically equals "OMG YU'RE IMPOSING YOUR RADICALLY LETHAL .45 MAGNUM DEATH RAY BELIEFS ON US! DIE DIE DIE MORAL SCUM!!!!" .....?

Woah. Logic dump....

Logic dump, as in, if this is so, I'm not able to understand it just yet. I wasn't insulting you.

Why does this thread remind me of Coupling (the British/good version)?

Bush should burn these witches!
Burn witch!

All hail your new overlord: W

'All hail your new overlord: W'

Uh.. he's not really new. dude.

DayBreakBoys17

What is it about the middle of countries?"
nothing. Just all the farked up people are draw to the coasts. Or the major cities, which are most often on the coasts.

If you're so righteous, why do you hang out in a teenage lesbianism discussion? Does your pastor know?

/live a little

hasn't some show on mtv been doing this for years? mtv undressed, or something like that?

Silly British (and they wonder why they are not a world power).

got bored - started outsourcing ... now someone else pays for it ...

all those lesbians on film&TV and almost no hot man on man action.

Proof that straight men still rule the world.

I'd tune in to that every week for sure....

Spiffy!

I bet they could film the American version in Oklahoma.

Julie Burchill is fat now. This invalidates everything she has ever done.

Silly British (and they wonder why they are not a world power)

And the rest of the world wonders why you are.

(B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;

Soooo...Romeo and Juliet is illegal now?

I must return to the part I quoted. Has anyone noticed that the illegalization of "simulated child pornography" by way of photoshop et al is literally criminalizing an act in which there is no victim? What we have here is legal precedent for thoughtcrime.

50half

so let me get this straight, in england you can watch teenage lezbo porn on tv , and smoke pot. and all you have to give up is good teeth. wow, what a country.

We have good teeth American fatarse! :-) (I just wish there could be another cliche about British people, after all, <tombaker>Dentistry was introduced to the British Isles in 1982.</tombaker> ;-)

You also forgot the topless women in (tabloid) newspapers.

so how is it i get channel 4 here in the states, i doubt this show will air on BBC america.

An extremly large ariel? BBC America might air it though, they have aired Channel 4 series like Father Ted and Faking It in the past. Otherwise it's waiting for another american channel showing it, or a DVD release and importing it.

There's also the BBC's Tipping the Velvet, a costume drama about Victorian music-hall lesbians people in this thread may be interested in. That was a couple of years ago, but it came out on DVD suprisingly quickly.

"When is the last time any of you have seen a lesbian couple you would want to get in the middle of?"

Every time I close my eyes!