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2004-11-03 11:37:25 PM
"Our forefathers didn't win our independence by packing up and moving to another country."

So the pilgrims were just going for a joy ride?
 
2004-11-03 11:37:28 PM
1. Believe it or not, some people might just want to live in Canada, for any number of reasons not neccessarily having anything to do with yesterday's...unpleasantness.

2. Moving your residence out of the US
and
"Fighting the good fight," dissent, effecting political change in the US

are not mutually exclusive.



We now return you to your regularly scheduled jingo.
 
2004-11-03 11:38:12 PM
winnipeg for 8 years, maybe its more enlightened back east, but I doubt it.
 
2004-11-03 11:39:14 PM
azanth

I'm hoping that this election drives the point home that playing to the center doesn't work if your base is being ignored. Look at what Howard Dean did- his early campaign was a bolt from the blue, an absolute supercharge of grassroots energy that seemingly came out of nowhere. Here's hoping that the grey-skinned, blue-blooded bureaucrats get tossed aside, and that the Democratic Party reconnects with it's roots- the people Barack is talking about.
 
2004-11-03 11:39:48 PM
GuyCaballero:

I'm currently dating an Asian. My best friend is dating a recently emigrated Portuguese girl and my brother is dating a black girl.

Yay, mosaic.

Actually, I have a beef with the mosaic. I'm not for assimilation, just not the idea of separation. Semantics, maybe, but can't we all just be Canadian?
 
2004-11-03 11:40:56 PM
GuyCaballero

also, wouldn't your family freak if you married a jamaican? bet they wouldn't be as upset if you got hitched to a ukranian or cantonese.
 
2004-11-03 11:41:31 PM
re: 'Libertarians'

Oh, one of those, yes I should have known. Well, I would suggest possibly joining the freemen of Montana or some other survivalist group to live out your Galt-World fantasy. If you actually discover such a place on this planet outside of Disneyland, that is.
 
2004-11-03 11:41:34 PM
CannibalBarca: Come on down and check it out.

(Winnipeg...now those are some hard ass winters.)
 
2004-11-03 11:41:47 PM
That brings me to another point. I don't like Quebec and their culture protection, nor Canada's protection of its own culture using the CRTC or that. Evolution of culture is better than stagnancy.
 
2004-11-03 11:42:14 PM
I'm still dumbfounded about yesterday/today. My sympathies to all Americans.
 
2004-11-03 11:44:57 PM
Man, oh man... Canadian-based discussion... Canuck farkers... low bullshiat ratio... and I've got to get up to go to work in a few hours. Why doesn't this happen when I have a day off?

G'night, eh?
 
2004-11-03 11:48:21 PM
Lalalala I'm so sick of you weakling, cowardly Canadians. Mind your own farking business.
 
2004-11-03 11:48:58 PM
CannibalBarca has a point. In rural areas of Canada, there is nothing like the diversity you will find in, say, Toronto or Montreal.

I live in Toronto, and I must confess that when I visit some of the less populated areas of the country, I can't believe how WHITE it is. It is almost uncomfortable. Gives me some idea of how a black man might feel in Medicine Hat.
 
2004-11-03 11:50:38 PM
shut up OldButFast you cock
 
2004-11-03 11:51:33 PM
I lived in Winnipeg for my teen years and it was hell on earth. -35 with howling winds in the winter and black clouds of mosquitos in the summer. I vowed never to go back.
 
2004-11-03 11:51:53 PM
I'd just like to remind our northern neighbors that 49% of us did not vote for Chimpy McFlightsuit. Please don't hate all of us just because the slim majority are idiots and assholes.
 
2004-11-03 11:54:45 PM
CannibalBarca

also, wouldn't your family freak if you married a jamaican? bet they wouldn't be as upset if you got hitched to a ukranian or cantonese.

Five years running with a Japanese girl. We'll be engaged soon. As for the Jamaican girl, it would depend. My family is European, but they're fairly progressive considering. If she was bright and supportive, it would be fine. If she was trash, yeah, they wouldn't be happy.

I know you picked Jamaicans purposefully, and I can see where you're coming from to a certain extent, since they account for the majority of welfare cases in TO, but like I said, it would depend on the girl. My cousin's married to an African guy. He's awesome. Her dad had trouble with it at first, but now he loves his three half-breed grandkids more than anything. Ditto my uncle and his three half-Mexican kids. That's usually what really brings people together.
 
2004-11-03 11:56:13 PM
re: 'Libertarians'

Oh, one of those, yes I should have known. Well, I would suggest possibly joining the freemen of Montana or some other survivalist group to live out your Galt-World fantasy. If you actually discover such a place on this planet outside of Disneyland, that is.


I got my fill of fantasy after trying to comprehend your previous post.
 
2004-11-03 11:57:02 PM
OldButFast

Lalalala I'm so sick of you weakling, cowardly Canadians. Mind your own farking business.

Follow your own advice, tiresome troll.
 
2004-11-03 11:58:32 PM
As a Brit who moved to Canada almost a decade ago let me state that I've never regretted it. I love my adopted home country. Funny to think that back when I began to make my move,fellow Brits would comment that I was moving to the "civilised part of North America" I laughed it off not knowing of the differences. But since I've been here I'll gladly stick to this side of the border. A few of the reasons why.

1) Peace loving nation. What was it Blair said when he visited Ottawa recently that there seems to be a calm in international affairs once it's known that Canada is involved?

2) Medicinal pot. Thank you Canada.

3) Gay marriages...for now...and the ability to have one of the largest gay festivals in the world anually. And I say that as a straight man. Thank you Canada.

4)Our Leaders actually listen to the UN and refuse to be co-erced into action by our southern neigbours- Thanks Mr Chrietien.

5) Acceptance of all races. Race riots in Canada? When? Jackie Robinson...welcome to Montreal.

6) Toronto Blue Jays. "World Series" Champions back to back.

7) Hockey gold and champions of a tournament named World that actually had more than 2 nations represented.


These are the magnificent 7 that come to mind.

And on a similar theme a friend made an interesting theory recently.

What if the EU and Russia formed one super power and invaded the US. When quizzed as to why they would claim they were freeing the American people from....

1) A leader whose original election win was considered highly tainted and possible immoral and illegal.

2) A leader that sent the country to war on a non threatining country-and this has now been proven on all counts.

3)The destruction of their civil liberties with both the Patriot act and ban on Gay unions. Not to mention the ban on harmless pot but allowance of cancerous smokes.

4) The ban on harmless, infact beneficial, imports of drugs from a goodwilled country-Canada.

Whereas Iraqis were 'freed' from the tyranny of SH. When will the Americans earn their freedom.

This certainly came across as a rant but I think there were some very interesting points raised.

BTW he also said....you know why America has the American Dream and Canada doesn't?

Because we are awake.
 
2004-11-03 11:59:15 PM
I wonder how many grumbling Canadians would like to move to the United States, ummmm, now? Under this regime.
Would you?

I know I sure as fark wouldn't. And I'm a straight white male. Lower taxes, eh? That's nice.
 
2004-11-04 12:00:30 AM
Hey, we know America is much like Canada in the sense that its a handful of unique cultures mashed into one country. Some are thriving and vibrant (urban), some are outdated and stale (rural).

I guess until robots grow our potatoes, we have to live with the morons.
 
2004-11-04 12:05:36 AM
Skeezix,

I heard on the CBS radio news that Bush's first priority in his second term is to destroy, er, "restructure" Social Security. Don't be surprised if you end up with nothing after you retire.


LOLz!!!!111

Are you friggin shiattin me? You actually believe you would have seen social security if Kerry was elected.. because he said so? If you are under 40, chances are you won't see a wooden nickle.

Don't be teh stupid.

Social security is a goddamn pyramid scheme. The first generation that got paid social security during the New Deal didn't contribute a friggin dime. Gov't just keeps pushing debt toward the next generation until one day we'll trip up and it will come to an abrupt sudden end. Just listen to Greenspan, it won't be long.
 
2004-11-04 12:05:57 AM
britgent : "BTW he also said....you know why America has the American Dream and Canada doesn't?
Because we are awake."

Great post, britgent. Glad you like it here; we do too.
 
2004-11-04 12:15:19 AM
britgent

I'll admit that the Iraq War was a bad idea, even a terrible idea. But blame shouldn't rest totally on American citizens. When Bush didn't get UN approval for the attack the EU/Canada/whoever could have put up serious resistance or shut up - they chose to shut up, and the US got to do whatever the hell it wanted to. Next time Bush decides to have an invasion, grow some balls and stop him in his tracks. You guys outnumber us after all and think you know what's best - how about putting some of those ideas into action. Impose sanctions, evict US troops from bases, clean up the messes yourself. Stop being pussies.
 
2004-11-04 12:15:37 AM
HeartBurnKid

I'd just like to remind our northern neighbors that 49% of us did not vote for Chimpy McFlightsuit. Please don't hate all of us just because the slim majority are idiots and assholes.

Hate? No way, not even the Bush supporters. I've met people from the South -- S.Carolina, Texas, and Georgia, for example -- who I count among the friendliest, most courteous, most hospitable people I've ever met in my life. To hate them collectively because of what I think is a bad decision would be truly ignorant. However, the right-wingers who do nothing but spew vitriol, attack the weak, and encourage violence both at home and abroad? Well, hate's a strong word, but I do think we'd all be better off without them.
 
2004-11-04 12:16:40 AM
whatshisname

CannibalBarca has a point. In rural areas of Canada, there is nothing like the diversity you will find in, say, Toronto or Montreal.

I live in Toronto, and I must confess that when I visit some of the less populated areas of the country, I can't believe how WHITE it is. It is almost uncomfortable. Gives me some idea of how a black man might feel in Medicine Hat.


Fun fact: 42% of Canada's non-European population lives in the GTA (Source. Dunno how reliable the source is, it's almos too crazy to believe). I notice the incredible whiteness whenever I'm out of Toronto too.
 
2004-11-04 12:17:19 AM
"However, the right-wingers who do nothing but spew vitriol, attack the weak, and encourage violence both at home and abroad? Well, hate's a strong word, but I do think we'd all be better off without them."

Very true. Also goes for some on the left.
 
2004-11-04 12:23:50 AM
Fark, this place is screwed up enough and going down without more crazed political zealots imposing their burned-out asses on a shaky system.

Canadian society is getting messy enough as it is, thank you.
 
2004-11-04 12:27:54 AM
Why don't we compromise and just sell New England to Canada? I'm sure the rest of the US wouldn't miss it, and that way noone has to move.

/except for the Californians, and I expect the earthquake to take care of them.
 
2004-11-04 12:28:05 AM
AnonymousKnowItAll

"However, the right-wingers who do nothing but spew vitriol, attack the weak, and encourage violence both at home and abroad? Well, hate's a strong word, but I do think we'd all be better off without them."

Very true. Also goes for some on the left.


Sure. No argument here. Left-wingers who do nothing but moan, scowl, and constantly look for people of higher standing to claw down gain no respect or sympathy from me. I didn't mention them because I don't think they're particularly dangerous to society, since they always attack from a position of weakness.

But in my mind there's a big difference between a "liberal" and a "left-winger," much as there's a big difference between a conservative and a right winger. I respect the positions of both liberals and conservatives, and I think I have views which fall into both categories, but the alarm bells in my head go off when I think large portions of the population are moving to any one side of the spectrum. In the early 90s, when we had the Rae government in Ontario, I saw how destructive the far left could be. Now I'm seeing how bad the far right can be in the Bush gvt. As far as I'm concerned, the far left is so marginalized right now, both in Canada and the US, it's practically off the page.
 
2004-11-04 12:31:40 AM
britgent5) Acceptance of all races. Race riots in Canada? When? Jackie Robinson...welcome to Montreal.

Well, we had the Christie Pits riots in 1933
http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_08.12.93/NEWS/nv0812a.htm

Up until around the 60's/70's Canada (Toronto included) was a very white, very protestant country. Bars closed on Sunday and everything. The Toronto City Hall is built on what was the China-town at the time. The city bought up the land and razed it in an attempt to stop the development of a China town, but it just moved a few blocks west.
 
2004-11-04 12:37:33 AM
re: 'the far left is so marginalized right now'

And you know what we did to the far right last election. No screwball fundies are getting elected here, thanks.
 
2004-11-04 12:37:55 AM
[i]2004-11-03 11:37:25 PM altinos
"Our forefathers didn't win our independence by packing up and moving to another country."

So the pilgrims were just going for a joy ride?[/i]

Thanks for giving me my only smile today.
 
2004-11-04 12:39:07 AM
oops
 
2004-11-04 12:43:35 AM
Since when is wanting a better America unamerican? I am not leaving, and never even considered it, because no matter what, America is where I want to teach my children virtues like tolerance, honesty, and standing up for what you believe in.

I learned them growing up in America. Wouldn't have wanted it any other way!
 
2004-11-04 12:44:12 AM
I never liked Canada. But I have friends in New Zealand, Ireland, and Belgium that are now begging me to emigrate to their countries.

Thank God I have that choice.
 
2004-11-04 12:45:41 AM
re: 'Please don't hate all of us just because the slim majority are idiots and assholes.'

Actually, that's just the "slim majority" of those who vote. What about the other, 40 percent disposessed of the country who don't see any mileage in bothering to vote -" Any way you look at it you lose."

That is probably a big portion of the far left.
Vote?
For what?
One of those clowns?
 
2004-11-04 12:46:11 AM
Steve French

And you know what we did to the far right last election. No screwball fundies are getting elected here, thanks.

Correct. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Those old Alliance clowns didn't fool anyone in Ontario. Ditch Harper, bring in Clark and the old PCs and you'll have a chance again.

I actually like having a PC opposition; keeps the Liberals on the straight and narrow. A PC (or otherwise conservative) government though? Not right now. Too crucial a time, with important social issues on the table (healthcare reform, pot laws, gay marriage) and a right-wing government in the States whose lead I'd rather not follow. Maybe in four years.
 
2004-11-04 12:53:40 AM
Dear Republican voter:

I can't beleive half this country voted for Bush. I mean you tards really believe that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11? Bush was playing on our fear when he said 'If Kerry wins, they will strike us again'. Bin Ladin calls us the Great Satan, we call him part of the Axis of Evil.. Hell, we made him. And this religious rhetoric has got to go, it's just as stupid as their religious bullshiat. If there is a god, he does not cheer when you go to war, moran. He created Arabs too, remember?

We put Saddam into power when we thought we could use him to fight Iran. We put Bin Ladin into power so he could fight those oh-so-evil Russians. The problem with Americans is they know so little about world events, they have to rely on Bush's speeches and 10 o'clock news sound bites for information. They take "political entertainers" as credible news sources. Try reading the freaking paper or CNN!

News Flash: Our government demonizes everyone else so we willingly fight them, then the spin doctors do their magic when the war is over. But there's no way to spin "We still don't have Bin Ladin".

Oh I forgot.. "Mission accomplished"... my ass.
 
2004-11-04 12:53:48 AM
re: 'I actually like having a PC opposition'

Yes it does, and they aren't wildmen bible thumpin conservatards either. I always like Joe.
Candy Clark...Mmmmmm...what?

I agree about the NDP too. They would have spent us into the poorhouse in no time with every half-baked social engineering wet dream ever invented. Crazy bastards. We could do with quite a bit more conservatism in Canada too. Those pricks are not getting my guns, ever. Well, maybe if the police and the military turn em in first, I might think about it.
 
2004-11-04 01:00:23 AM
Steve French


re: 'I actually like having a PC opposition'

Yes it does, and they aren't wildmen bible thumpin conservatards either. I always like Joe.
Candy Clark...Mmmmmm...what?

I agree about the NDP too. They would have spent us into the poorhouse in no time with every half-baked social engineering wet dream ever invented. Crazy bastards. We could do with quite a bit more conservatism in Canada too.


It is a shame, because as far as I'm concerned, with the disappearance of the moderate PCs, right now we have a ONE party system, and I'm not all that fond of Martin, though he still has the benefit of the doubt with me. Maybe we could convince Nader to emigrate. I'd vote for that guy in a heartbeat.
 
2004-11-04 01:02:57 AM
2004-11-03 04:22:46 PM The Nim Elf What a bunch of sad sacks the Democrats have become. Lose an election and up and move your entire family to Canada? Lame.

What's lame is not realizing that our country, under George Bush will be more like having Sadam as leader anyway. We build a democracy there and a dictatorship here? That is farking lame.


/surprised Kerry didn't pull an Al Gore for the next five weeks

I'm not surprised because Kerry, unlike Bush, actually has the best interest of this country at heart instead of his own personal gain and power.

You got the president you deserve. Don't be amazed that some people see America as becoming more like Nazi Germany and want to get the hell out while they still can.
 
2004-11-04 01:06:25 AM
Perot/Nader

Great economy, great environment for your family. They got it all and they voted for that farktard. Jeesh.
 
2004-11-04 01:10:05 AM
Hey, don't come crawling to us. You screwed yourselves.

/Canada rules
 
2004-11-04 01:15:07 AM
"You got the president you deserve. Don't be amazed that some people see America as becoming more like Nazi Germany and want to get the hell out while they still can."

You got that right. And if the Bushies don't kill us, the Muslims, the Chinese, or the European Commonwealth Army will when they counterattack.
 
2004-11-04 01:24:26 AM
Another plea to non-Americans; please don't think we're all a bunch of rural flag-waving religious dolts here. This is a most trying time for those of us in the States who make decisions issue by issue and feel completely left out of the political process which has now become some idiotic spam-laden sports contest...

I don't know a single person here in Austin, Texas that voted for Kerry (he won big here) that ever exclaimed "He's Our Man", yet many voted for him because it was the only means we had to sort of impeach Bush for his administration's recklessness of the last four years. I wish there had been better choices all around.

/rambling, numb and tired.
 
2004-11-04 01:26:39 AM
2004-11-03 07:48:37 PM Broktun
Hitler burned down the Reichstag, imprisoned/murdered his opposition, then made himself dictator.
Bush would have to:
1. Burn down the US Senate building
2. blame it on the Democrats
3. herd the Democratic Congress members into concentration camps
4. have them killed
5. disband the Supreme Court, and
6. convince moderate Republicans the he (Bush) should be dictator.



Actually, all Bush would have to do is:

1. Burn down the Pentagon and a major government finance building, hmmm....

2. Blame a former ally and declare war to get his major opposition out of the way for unlimited fuel supplies

3. Destroy the Democratic Party with lies, rhetoric and fear mongering. Establish a Republican House, Senate and Judiciary

4. Put "enemy combatants" in concentration camps or holding cells without trials

5. Put all "republican" judges on the Supreme court. Before you all start howling, I KNOW that judges are supposed to give up "partisanship" when they take the robes but really, do you honestly think they do? Yeah, right.

6. Do you know how many times George Bush has said that he would rather be a dictator?


Using Nazi Germany as a measuring stick to current events in the US is not a disgrace or disrespect to the memories of anyone who died there.

The fact that so many feel the beginning or oppression here and recognize it for what it truly is should be telling that we are headed in the wrong direction.

We would be fools not to recognize the similarites and act on them. To me, honoring their memories with the wisdom not to repeat their tragedy and holocaust would be ideal.


/today this post will be seen as extreme
/four years from now people will wonder why more people didn't think like this
/yes I'm accusing Dick Cheney of helping to plan 9/11
 
2004-11-04 01:29:35 AM
You don't want to move to Australia - We have Bush-lite as our leader here.

Sorry in advance for your next 4 years, America. While not quite as bad as Bush, we have 3 more years of our asshat.
 
2004-11-04 01:40:07 AM
If all of you who calimed they would "move to Canada" if Bush won could get together, then could we have a Fark yardsale? Because there could be some good deals at that yardsale.

Oh, and by the way, Canada will NEVER be attacked (no matter what her policy toward other nations) as long as the USA is a power of any sort. We would not allow a hostile country to control our northern border. Move wherever you want but don't fool yourselves, this hemisphere is under the protection of the USA Military.

Go north and live on Canadian taxes for a while, I'm sure they would just love it.

Go south and live under Mexico's laws for a while, I'm sure you would just love it.

Go anywhere else, I don't care. If you don't like what is happening in the USA then you have the choice to change it or leave. If you stay then you have a shot at changing things, maybe I'll go so far as to meet you half way and start the change. Or maybe I'll ignore you because you just bitach and offer no alternatives.

Choice is yours. Leave, Help, or just Biatch just to be Biatching.
 
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