Sloshyj -- I truly respect you for your last post. That's what I'd like to see ALL political discourse look like, but for it to happen, the amount of attention and nuance in the average American voter would need to go way up, on both sides of the aisle.

jessh.. calling me a liberal just shows vast misunderstanding and heavy, ignorant two-dimentional thinking.

I actually agree with Pat Beucannan (spelling.. whatever) on a bunch of stuff. Definitely NOT his right-wing social agenda, but his economic criticisms of this government, you bet. I don't agree with EITHER side when it comes to how they have become siccophants of big CEOs. And I disagree with Kerry and others when they won't take a stand and actually SUPPORT civil rights (whether it be pro-gun or pro-gay) when it is not popular. There is plenty of blame to go around.

So many people on Fark can only think in left or right. This group are the very "sheep" that they rail against. Then you think there are only two ways of thinking, being "left" or "right" then you are very, very easily controlled. There are 3-4 ways to look at EVERY issue.

I am angry.... you are right. I am full of bile when I see us re-elect this president, but it's because he is a PISS POOR president. It's because there is only one way you can understand his actions: subservence to big corporations. It's because we have a SITTING president that could not run on his accomplishments so he ran ENTIRELY by twisting the record of his opponent (Kerry did it to.. equally sickening, but the fact that a INCUMBENT president had to do it is just sad and sick).

So shove your "liberal" labels. You don't understand what it means because you've just become a parrot spewing overheard phrases. You're just another cog in the machine that is going to eventually ram this country straight into the ground.

idiot, I am not a Democrat. Jessh...

Oswald

yup... but is where I live. I don't really have the ability to live anywhere else... at least for right now. It's also where I happen to have been born.

I'd sure like to see us care a little bit more about people and a little bit less about corporate profits. We don't even depend on them for the most of our jobs, for god's sake (just 30%). we should be focusing on the 70% of jobs provided by small business... aka individuals.

Swindmill,

I pity you. You've got a little more education than the average, and now you think you're a god among insects.

I talked to my history professor, commenting that it was surpiring to meet a college professor in the social sciences who was a conservative (leaned con, not fuill-blown right wing.)

His reply was that most of the professors he knew who went BA, MA, Phd with no breaks were liberals. Most of the profs he knew who spent time working in between were conservatives. FWIW, he was a retired AF Colonel, had marched with MLK in Alabama, and had commanded a squadron on the DMZ in Korea.