Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Fark)   U.S. Election Day 2004: Put the beer down and go vote. Link goes to help for those new to the process   (farkthevote.org ) divider line
    More: PSA  
•       •       •

6509 clicks; posted to Main » on 02 Nov 2004 at 6:54 AM (11 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



847 Comments     (+0 »)
 


Oldest | « | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2004-11-02 09:18:20 AM  
Chalk up another Kerry vote in FL.....
 
2004-11-02 09:18:24 AM  
vegasj

The fact is, every election between an incumbent and a challenger is basically a referendum on the incumbent. Do you think people in 1980 were voting for Reagan? Hell no. In 1984 they voted for Reagan. In 1980 they voted against Carter. It's unavoidable that voters are more familiar with the incumbant, and now what to expect with 4 more years. The challenger, no matter what he does during the campaign, is always going to be more of a question mark.

If a person strongly believes that Bush should be out of office, and has no strong feelings either way towards Kerry, what do you think they should do? It's obvious that the only way Bush will lose is if Kerry wins. So I think a vote for Kerry in these circumstances is perfectly reasonable.

This vote is about whether or not America wants to hold the Bush Administration accountable for its actions. There is nothing that Kerry (or any challenger) could have done that would have made the vote more about him than about Bush.
 
2004-11-02 09:18:57 AM  
KungFuJesus
Go Turd Sandwich!
 
2004-11-02 09:19:15 AM  
mmm Drudge is having philly cheesesteak at the moment...

spinny police light graphic.

This must be his 'hell hath frozen over' clusterfark day, today... weeeeee.
 
2004-11-02 09:19:16 AM  
HomeSkillet
well, i'd say if they were voting "pussy", they would have voted for bush.
 
2004-11-02 09:19:48 AM  
Oh yeah, and I voted for Badnarik.
 
2004-11-02 09:20:04 AM  
I've been voting since I was 18. I'll never miss an election, and I always make an effort to see where all the candidates (local and national) stand.

Yet, I can't seem to shake the suspicion that it's all just a big distraction and the folks who really run the country will continue to run the country regarless of who's in the White House.
 
2004-11-02 09:20:05 AM  
Heuer

Osama endorses Kerry.

If so, wouldn't that be the perfect way of promoting Bush's chances? Gee, I wonder why Osama would want that...
 
2004-11-02 09:20:11 AM  
"sure, I'm a little blunt, I get that from my mother. I've mangled the english language, I get that from my father. But whether you agree with me or disagree, at least you know where I stand." - G.W.Bush
 
2004-11-02 09:20:21 AM  
The First Caramel Cod

The thing about John Kerry is he flip-flops.

I heard that Bush has changed religious denominations several times.
 
2004-11-02 09:20:38 AM  
So how many Farkers think Bush is gonna cheat?
 
2004-11-02 09:20:49 AM  
actually terrorist would want Bush to win, he's did nothing to stop them, except kick sand on thier shoes
 
2004-11-02 09:21:12 AM  
They should enable voting on this thread!

/already voted Kerry
 
2004-11-02 09:21:17 AM  
"Even if George Bush does win reelection today it won't mean that our Republic is in a true jam. There is no way this election should be this close, but it is. The very fact that someone with no record to run on and no plan for the future, except to grow the size of government, should be polling over 40% of the vote.

Face the music my friends. America has almost reached a critical mass of "citizens" who believe that it is the role of government to smooth every bump on the road and to solve every personal problem. These people believe that it is the government's responsibility, not their own, to get them a job. It's the government's job to monitor and take care of their health. It's the government's job to provide for their retirement, take care of their children, find them a place to live, and feed them.

I guess you can say that the dependency class came by it honestly. What do you expect of people who are educated by the government? Doesn't it make perfect sense that people who are educated by the government would come away with that experience believing that government is the solution to all their problems?

Know this: The people who inhabit this country today could never pull off what our forefathers did in discovering and settling this country and in fighting for its independence. Independence is the last thing the average American wants today."

Boortz
 
2004-11-02 09:21:42 AM  
OK, W. I disagree with you, now I know where you stand. Back in Crawford looking for work.
 
2004-11-02 09:22:21 AM  
Not infinite yet?
 
2004-11-02 09:22:54 AM  
Watch Badnarik get an unexpectantly enormous number of fringe votes from the smartasses that read The Onion.

Those Libertarian bastards!
 
2004-11-02 09:23:03 AM  
If you are a Wisconsinite and have not registerred to vote yet, no worries. As long as you have a photo ID with your current address on it, you can register to vote right at your polling place. If you do not know where your polling place is, give your City Hall a phone call and they can direct you to either were to go or who to get in touch with were to go.
 
2004-11-02 09:23:22 AM  
Almost Telos, almost
 
2004-11-02 09:23:31 AM  
Wait a few minutes for that. I'm sure Farkers are out voting.

/already cast her vote
 
2004-11-02 09:23:35 AM  
Finally! It's about damn time this election gets rolling!
Go Dubya!
 
2004-11-02 09:23:47 AM  
Please go vote. Take everyone you know with you, hell stop and pick up people you don't know, take them with you... Unless they're Republican that is.

Not Bush '04
 
2004-11-02 09:23:49 AM  
Dormouse:

That's why I'd like to see three things in the US.

1) A viable third (or even fourth or fifth) party.
2) A run off system where 3rd party votes aren't wasted.
3) The end of the electoral college system.

I think the combination of these three things would end the temptation for parties to rush to the "centre" and try to pander to everyone. You develop a base, create a platform, and then take it to the masses. Plus, with far less of a chance for a clear majority one or two or three parties may have to work together to get legislation passed. This is useful because it keeps the government from passing either extreme legislation (either right or left, or authoritarian or libertarian).

For example, in my own country, Canada. One thing that most Canadians take great pride in is out health care system (at least before we has some rightist provincial goverments try to take its financial legs out, but it's getting better again). This health care system was brought into power during a time where a centrist government was in power... but with a minority government they needed the help of the left to accomplish anything. Our health care system was a result of the co-operation of the left and the centre. It's been one of the foundations of the Canadian identity ever since.

Good things happen through compromise and discussion and that's just not possible in a two party system.
 
2004-11-02 09:24:10 AM  
Alexandra wrote By the time Alaska and Hawaii voters get to the polls it'll probably be useless. The other 48 will have counted up their ballots.

Incorrect on two counts. Of lesser importance is the possibility that there will be a 2000 redux and a close race in one of those states could swing the election, but this is not likely.

More important is the Alaskan ballot referendum to legalize marijuana

Four more bowls! Four more bowls!
 
2004-11-02 09:24:24 AM  
Vote Kerry. Bush only has fear to run on, and I'm not buying it. We can do better. Kick that biatch out of the white house.
 
2004-11-02 09:24:46 AM  
To be honest I'd prefer Badnarik to Bush or Kerry. I just don't agree with the Libertarian Party's pro-choice stance...then again I understand the LP's split on that.
 
2004-11-02 09:24:54 AM  
I just voted for the first time in my life.... and I voted for KERRY!
 
2004-11-02 09:25:01 AM  
stuie

Or maybe he's hoping for a repeat of Spain, scare people into voting your way.

And for the record, I think both Bush and Kerry and just a shade better than worthless.
 
2004-11-02 09:25:03 AM  
Okay, so this is how it's going to go. Kerry will win the popular vote. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. I'd be willing to be he'd win them even with those poll blockers, but that depends on their effectiveness. BUT, Bush will cheat in Ohio and Florida and ultimately force those states back into his camp. If Kerry doesn't become the clear winner; the election's over. Bush cannot concede anything; he's got some kind of mental block about it.
 
2004-11-02 09:25:34 AM  
I would hope that those students and their parents who question my qualities would simply look at my opponent. He is a turd sandwich.
 
Bo
2004-11-02 09:25:37 AM  
All I'm really looking for is some good recognition for the Libertarians. I think this country needs to take us seriously and needs to recognize that we mean business. I think if we can pull at least 7% of the vote for President, it'll be a good start.

/voted Libertarian Badnarik for Pres.
//voted Libertarian Jerry Kohn for IL Senate
///voted Libertarian in every local office in which one was available.
 
2004-11-02 09:25:44 AM  
Alexandra wrote By the time Alaska and Hawaii voters get to the polls it'll probably be useless. The other 48 will have counted up their ballots.

Incorrect on two counts. Of lesser importance is the possibility that there will be a 2000 redux and a close race in one of those states could swing the election, but this is not likely.


I stand corrected.
 
2004-11-02 09:25:47 AM  
Heuer how do you get that?

Osama was saying thank you to Bush for being so helpful to Al Qaida, and that if Kerry continued the same overall American policy (killing Arabs), then he would continue the same Al Qaida policy (killing Americans).
 
2004-11-02 09:25:57 AM  
I was in line 10 minutes before the polls opened. As I'm waiting, I get a whiff of someone's alcohol breath every few moments. Couldn't figure out who it was, though. But, if I could've fingered the person, I would've loudly and harshly chastised and humiliated them for not bringing enough for everyone in line.

Bastard.
 
2004-11-02 09:26:02 AM  
2004-11-02 09:20:11 AM vegasj


"sure, I'm a little blunt, I get that from my mother. I've mangled the english language, I get that from my father. But whether you agree with me or disagree, at least you know where I stand." - G.W.Bush

Only if you believe what he's saying, I guess.

I don't think he deserves or has earned the benefit of the doubt.

"Who cares what you think?" GWB, Philadelphia, July 4, 2001
 
2004-11-02 09:26:09 AM  
"Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security."

-Osama bin Laden

Hmmmmmm... "every state"? Does that mean the red states because of their support for Bush and the war on terror? This is not a tctic to get you to vote Bush. It is plainly saying if you vote Bush, you will die. Vote Kerry and you will be spared. Its a fear tactic.
 
2004-11-02 09:26:18 AM  
Good luck, U.S. citizens.
 
2004-11-02 09:26:40 AM  
If you guys dont vote out Bush, im going to get heaps angry and frown really hard at my moniter untill i can't frown no more, then when ive regained my frowning strength, i'll probably frown some more at random objects in my house, starting with my cat.

He has this weird habit of throwing up unexpectedly, i think it may have something to do with what im feeding him, i started to give him more water but its not doing much to stop it.
He makes this really weird "gulping" noise when he does it, its like hes skulling down a beer but when you turn around to see whats going on you see him straining really hard with his mouth open like he was doing a big poo, but from the oppisite end, its really random at times
 
2004-11-02 09:27:01 AM  
woohoo! i just voted for the first time ever! how cool is that!
 
2004-11-02 09:27:04 AM  
Bush is a dumbass for falling into the trap. Read this:

Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed: Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them. No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to your nation. No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred. So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind. The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced. I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy. The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond. In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors. And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance. This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr. did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr. did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary? Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998. You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk. The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for its results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief among them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents. Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterized by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr. to the region. At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies. This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinizes the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains. Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations - whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction - has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results. And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and we are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ. And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. [When they pointed out that] for example, al-Qaida spent $500,000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost - according to the lowest estimate - more than $500 billion.

Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars. And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the mujahidin recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the bleed-until-bankruptcy plan - with Allah's permission.

It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is...you.

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Atta, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration notice. It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him. But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations - all praise is due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him: "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction - assuming they exist - is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying "like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth". So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10,000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money. And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorize the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched. Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say: "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if they were telling you, the people of America: "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes." And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry. "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said: "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that: "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No. Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All peace be upon he who follows the Guidance.

- The full transcript of Osama bin Ladens message to America, first aired on Al-Jazeera Friday, October 29, 2004, translated from the Arabic.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E8​7F61F.ht m

EXPECT A FIERCE BATTLE WHICH HISTORY WILL RECORD, SPEAKING OF YOUNG MEN WHO BROKE AND DEFEATED THE GREATEST ARMY IN THE WORLD

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/01/news/voices.html

It's a trap!
 
2004-11-02 09:27:12 AM  
Bo--I understand that Ron Paul (R-TX) at one point ran under Libertarian Party.

He'd fit right in with the Constitution Party.
 
2004-11-02 09:27:25 AM  
MucasPlug
Finally! It's about damn time this election gets rolling!
Go Dubya!


You missed out the comma

Go, Dubya!
 
2004-11-02 09:27:38 AM  
GOOD LORD!

You Charles-1 people are more touchy then scientologists.
 
2004-11-02 09:27:44 AM  
Heuer

Face the music my friends. America has almost reached a critical mass of "citizens" who believe that it is the role of government to smooth every bump on the road and to solve every personal problem. These people believe that it is the government's responsibility, not their own, to get them a job. It's the government's job to monitor and take care of their health. It's the government's job to provide for their retirement, take care of their children, find them a place to live, and feed them.

No. I think it's the government's responsibility, especially being the hegemon that we are, to NOT fark UP THE PLANET. I *love* Neocon rhetoric that dictates that all Democrats are lazy slobs who are waiting for their next relief check. A vote for Kerry is a vote against Bush's mishandling of all things that we as a nation ought to hold dear.
 
2004-11-02 09:27:55 AM  
Grant John Stewart's request from last night's Daily Show and make his show more difficult to do. Put an administration in power that's *not* a running joke on TV and with most of the world. Get rid of Bush.

//Conservatives against Bush.
 
2004-11-02 09:28:18 AM  
Precint RW20 reprazennnnnnnnt!
 
2004-11-02 09:28:32 AM  
2004-11-01 04:25:41 PM kanyakumari
Vote Yes for No Monorail!

Or vote No for a Monorail!


Did you get some of the fired florida officials or what?

Face the music my friends. America has almost reached a critical mass of "citizens" who believe that it is the role of government to smooth every bump on the road and to solve every personal problem. These people believe that it is the government's responsibility, not their own, to get them a job. It's the government's job to monitor and take care of their health. It's the government's job to provide for their retirement, take care of their children, find them a place to live, and feed them.

That's my favorite conservative fear tactic. Almost makes their bile seem honorable.

THe funny thing is, there is an assumed stance on these issues so strong that neither candidate even has to address it or make any progress one way or another towards it. The party loyals still support their horse despite an utter lack of attention to key values.

Thank you for showing us who does your thinking for you.

You ever stop to wonder how disparate individuals working for different companies thousands of miles away from each other seem to always spontaneously come up with the same opinion to blast over the airwaves so you can parrot it?

Just curious.
 
2004-11-02 09:28:35 AM  
Did someone say civil war?

/pops
 
2004-11-02 09:29:08 AM  
Boortz is actually a moron.
 
2004-11-02 09:29:21 AM  
The cyanide Kool Aid is the best for America. Don't be fooled by the promises of 'Strychnine Kool Aid'. Osama wants you to vote for Strychnine Kool Aid.

Stay the course in these difficult times. Cyanide Kool Aid has brought us this far, and unless the strychnine folk steal the election, Cyanide Kool Aid will carry us into the future.
 
Displayed 50 of 847 comments


Oldest | « | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | » | Newest | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report