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(Fark)   U.S. Election Day 2004: Put the beer down and go vote. Link goes to help for those new to the process   ( ) divider line
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2004-11-02 09:29:40 AM  

You're thinking too regionally. I think he means states as in nations. Basically, the translation as I see it is, any nation that doesn't screw with Islamic fundamentalist interests is not a target of terrorism.
2004-11-02 09:29:42 AM  
- The full transcript of Osama bin Ladens message to America, first aired on Al-Jazeera Friday, October 29, 2004, translated from the Arabic.​ m


It's a trap!

"I am Osama bin Laden and I approve this message."

2004-11-02 09:29:43 AM  
I'm in Delray Beach FL. I would like someone from the State department to know enough about what the flying fark they are doing to have ONE PERSON know EVERYTHING that I can ask questions to.

No offense man, and i'm not trying to flame you by any means, but whats so difficult about this? What great mystery are you having trouble with when it comes to voting?

You can register to vote at the DMV, Post office, half a dozen other government agencys, and about a billion websites. Seeing as you are on fark, i'll wager you have internet access (or can make some pretty spiffy tone noises in the phone with your mouth).

When you register you get a nice little card in the mail that tells you your polling place. You also get a sample ballot before the election that tells you where to go. I know the newspapers up here have been crazy about listing polling places, so I can imagine its even more so in florida. On top of all that theres a gazillion websites that will tell you where. I just checked the 3 major news sites, and ALL had a front page link to a list of polling places.

As for how to vote, there are instructions all over the damn place. Someone says your not registered when you aren't? I've seen a billion sites, news articles, etc that tell you what to do.

So pretty much your telling me that
a) you won't spend 5 minutes to point your browser off fark and find the info in a way that doesn't involve you picking up the phone and expclictly telling you.
b) you haven't picked up a news paper in the last month, or turned on something other than MTV2
c)you have waited to the last second to address your problems

If you don't mind me asking, who are you trying to vote for?

again, sorry if you do have a legit crazy problem that isn't listed above, and it is important you get out and vote today, no matter what it takes and who you vote for.
2004-11-02 09:29:47 AM  
Come on people! Us Europeans are depending on you to vote Bush!

Give us four more years of watching Bush stew in his own muck!
2004-11-02 09:29:51 AM  
2004-11-02 09:21:17 AM Heuer

Face the music my friends. America has almost reached a critical mass of "citizens" who believe that it is the role of government to smooth every bump on the road and to solve every personal problem. These people believe that it is the government's responsibility, not their own, to get them a job.

No, it is the government's job to provide opportunity for it's citizens. The opportunities for getting a job are reduced under Bush. That is all there is to it.

Bush is SELLING our jobs overseas by the way. People overseas ALREADY have an advantage over us in wages, but Bush lets tax breaks for outsourcing persist. Companies that might look for American workers here otherwise are going to outsource for the combined money power of cheap labor and extra tax breaks.

It's the government's job to monitor and take care of their health. It's the government's job to provide for their retirement, take care of their children, find them a place to live, and feed them.

You just keep believing that. Because obviously the government should have no role in creating opportunities for citizens to keep healthy or live. We'd be far better off if the government just let people rot in the street!

I guess you can say that the dependency class came by it honestly. What do you expect of people who are educated by the government? Doesn't it make perfect sense that people who are educated by the government would come away with that experience believing that government is the solution to all their problems?

While those who get their nice expensive shiney educations get the idea everything belongs to them and everyone who doesn't have what they do is inferior...

Know this: The people who inhabit this country today could never pull off what our forefathers did in discovering and settling this country and in fighting for its independence. Independence is the last thing the average American wants today."

Somehow, I doubt our forefathers were as selfish and small-minded as you...
2004-11-02 09:30:19 AM  
i agree with the three things you listed. but i also want to add this:

limit campaigning to one month

seriously, if you can't get your point across in one month, you suck. at this point, these candidates have been campaigning for so long, the only thing left for them to say is attack messages.
2004-11-02 09:30:30 AM  
barjockey: Wrong. By "states," he meant nation states.

Besides, Bush's policies are exactly the reaction he'd hoped for. Try to remember what bin Laden's main goal is, and it becomes clear he would prefer an aggressive America over a more careful one.

How pathetic is it that the most lucid statement of the entire election has to come from Osama bin Laden?
2004-11-02 09:30:58 AM  
I'm voted!
2004-11-02 09:31:16 AM  
I have seen some superduper secret polling/election analysis. It calls for President Bush to get approximately 51% of the popular vote and 296 EV's. That is right in line with my expectation.

This, while not citing the aforementioned super secret information, is very, very similar in its analysis.

I predict that we will find that turnout, while a bit higher than "normal," is not the huge increase that everyone always seems to predict. Same for the "youth" vote. Marginally higher, but no biggie. The big story may be the Kerry failure to energize the African-American vote, in combination with GWB having gotten a higher percentage of that vote than in '00. The evangelical vote will be much greater than in '00 and may well make the difference in Wisconsin and Ohio.
2004-11-02 09:31:59 AM  
Or maybe he's hoping for a repeat of Spain, scare people into voting your way.

And for the record, I think both Bush and Kerry and just a shade better than worthless.

Realistcally, this election is so polarised that each side will interpret he Osama tape favourably, and it won't make much of a difference.

And for the record I'm no fan of either man also, but I don't think the tape is a Kerry endorsement, he mentioned Kerry's name once:

"In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida. No."

Doesn't sound like an endorsement to me...
2004-11-02 09:32:03 AM  

barjockey: Wrong. By "states," he meant nation states.

Besides, Bush's policies are exactly the reaction he'd hoped for. Try to remember what bin Laden's main goal is, and it becomes clear he would prefer an aggressive America over a more careful one.

How pathetic is it that the most lucid statement of the entire election has to come from Osama bin Laden?

I was reading on Prison Planet where CNN screwed up the translation so you'd take it to mean "nation" instead of "US state."

Something's fishy there.
2004-11-02 09:32:21 AM  
That maker of that CoxandForum comic sure is desperate. He has to align his opponent with the enemy in order for his candidate to win. That's what Hitler did.
2004-11-02 09:32:23 AM  
"I am Osama bin Laden and I approve this message."

Emmanuel Goldstein, you mean?
2004-11-02 09:32:29 AM  

Did you not read the analysis of his diatribe done by MEMRI?
2004-11-02 09:32:44 AM  
canyoneer, I basically agree with you, but for the love of God! Learn some html! Or just cut and paste a link, Jezus.
2004-11-02 09:32:57 AM  
DONE!! I voted ... and you should too!!

Just make sure it's for Kerry.
2004-11-02 09:32:58 AM  
This thread should have had voting enabled.

2004-11-02 09:33:01 AM  
/kitty wants the election to be over
//kitty voted Kerry
2004-11-02 09:33:21 AM  
Osama was saying thank you to Bush for being so helpful to Al Qaida, and that if Kerry continued the same overall American policy (killing Arabs), then he would continue the same Al Qaida policy (killing Americans).

Nice to know that Osama would stop the attacks if we did. You'd think we would learn a lesson from Isreal/Palestine. I guess not.
2004-11-02 09:33:38 AM  
2004-11-02 08:21:09 AM keylock71 [TotalFark]

I'm no Bush supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but come tommorrow morning, if Bush wins, I still have to get up, go to work, provide for my family, etc, etc.

Cetainly, I think it'll be four years of war, middle-class folks gettting the brush off in favor of the wealthiest 1%, and tighter government control over our lives, but I think this country is far from a lost cause.

Doesn't matter anyway, 'cause I'm thinking Kerry is going to pull a victory out of his ass.

That is hands down the best comment I've ever read on Fark. I had to eat a yoghurt and change my trousers after reading that. Kerry is going to pull a victory out of his ass! Man, that's the best. End of story.
2004-11-02 09:33:41 AM  
Besides, Bush's policies are exactly the reaction he'd hoped for. Try to remember what bin Laden's main goal is, and it becomes clear he would prefer an aggressive America over a more careful one.

Where did you pull that out of? He clearly wanted a reaction to 9/11 to be like Somalia where the U.S. would remove itself from the situation and his people could finish Hitler's job of mudering all the Jews and take over the region.
2004-11-02 09:33:43 AM  

"I am Osama bin Laden and I approve this message."

Emmanuel Goldstein, you mean?

LOL Bush=Big Brother, bin Laden=Goldstein? Now that is interesting.
2004-11-02 09:33:45 AM  
Went to vote (columbus, ohio), line really long (line out into the street), went to work (read Fark all day long), now have a good excuse to leave early to go vote at 3 or so.

I'm with John Stewart.....VOTE OUT an administration that has made America a running joke in the world. The fact that people are still standing by George W. Bush turns my stomach.

2004-11-02 09:33:58 AM  
I learned today that "You may register when you go to vote" in Maine means "You may stand in line for an hour at the polls, get turned away and told to go to the City Office, stand in line for an hour to actually register, then come back to your polling place to stand in line again ". Go figure.

I've managed to achieve the first step. Don't know if I can be arsed to finish the other two.
2004-11-02 09:34:01 AM  
2004-11-02 09:34:03 AM  
"Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred."

"the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did"

"we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration"

" Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty."

"t is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is ... you."

Ringing endoresments from Osama for W.
2004-11-02 09:34:07 AM  

I love the idea of cutting back campaining, but how do you do it fairly?

Not letting the challengers come out early gives an advantage to the incumbent, who is able to get his message out on tv and in the papers day in and day out. Its not like he is going to get up and go "stuff will be completley different the next 4 years"

Letting challengers get a head start is unfair to the incumbent as he can't respond to anything they say.

Its like saying its not fair to have the president use air force one. Sure i agree with it in principal, but how do you get around it?
2004-11-02 09:35:10 AM  

Read this.
2004-11-02 09:35:12 AM  
Alexandra: I didn't read CNN's version and don't wear a tin-foil hat when it comes to this stuff. It is clear from the context that he means "nation states." Doesn't he clearly say that voting for Bush or Kerry is irrelevant?

This is Osama's message in a nutshell:

"It's the policy, stupid!"
2004-11-02 09:35:32 AM  
/kitty should have noticed that there weren't any other images on the thread...
/kitty doesn't preview
2004-11-02 09:35:34 AM  
If you live in NY, and you're voting for Kerry, consider voting for him on Row E, the Working Families Party line. I did that this morning, and by doing so I was able to vote for Kerry AND give representation to a small party. Two birds, one stone, not a bad deal at all. for more info.

I pray that Kerry wins.
2004-11-02 09:35:54 AM  
Think I'll stroll over to Freerepublic for a while and see what the lunatics are up to. Then I'll stop off at DU and see what the "touchy-feely" hippies are up too.

Both sites are chock full of loons.
2004-11-02 09:36:18 AM  
Protect the world from obscenity. Censor Bush and Dick. Vote Kerry.
2004-11-02 09:36:24 AM  
I'm simply amazed at the number of people turning out for this. The lines here in Richmond are up to a 3 hour wait in most places. Last election, I didn't have to wait in line at all.

Polarization does have its uses :)
2004-11-02 09:36:34 AM  

You sir are exactly right...according to MEMRI anyway. The exact word that Bin Laden used which translates to 'state' in english is different than the word that he would've chosen in Arabic for 'state' to refer to , say, the state department or the USA as an independant state.

Bin Laden was indeed referring to 'state' in the South Carolina, Iowa, Missouri, Hawaii sense. He was threatening the red states while telling the blue states they were safe.

Ironic considering New York is a blue state.
2004-11-02 09:36:35 AM  
Boortz is actually a moron.

You are crazy. Why is someone defined as a moron simply because you don't agree with them? How pretentious and arrogant. Boortz is extremely intelligent and has some incredible ideas for this country.

barjockey: Wrong. By "states," he meant nation states.

Wrong. The entire address is to the people of America. You mean he suddenly switches to talking about the world as a whole in the last paragraph? No. He is specifically talking to us because of our election. I thought that was obvious. Admitting this is painful I'm sure because you guys have painted this incredible scenario of Bush and Osama being poker buddies and all.
2004-11-02 09:37:02 AM  

Don't forget to vote on November 3rd!
2004-11-02 09:37:09 AM  

Alexandra: I didn't read CNN's version and don't wear a tin-foil hat when it comes to this stuff. It is clear from the context that he means "nation states." Doesn't he clearly say that voting for Bush or Kerry is irrelevant?

This is Osama's message in a nutshell:

"It's the policy, stupid!"

Heh...I voted for neither Bush nor bin Laden can take a long walk off a short pier either way. :P

Isn't he guilty of voter intimidation?
2004-11-02 09:37:20 AM  
To do my part to add to this certin-to-be-really-friggin-long thread, I'd like to state that I voted.

I went to an Obama rally last night; that should give you a hint of who I voted for.
The rally was friggin 90 degrees, but nobody left. We all just stood there sweating. Had to be over 800 people there.

Rock on, democracy.
2004-11-02 09:38:03 AM  

To preview the ballot for your precinct before you go to the polls go to

and enter your name and location.
2004-11-02 09:38:20 AM  
I went and voted, had to walk a mile in the pouring rain to do it. You have no excuse not to vote.
2004-11-02 09:38:21 AM  
HappyDaddy, that is one of the most vague interpretations i've seen so far. But at least you know html, unlike some other people around here. I'm looking at you canyoneer!
2004-11-02 09:38:49 AM  
Ringing endoresments from Osama for W.

Right, so a condemnation of Bush is a Kerry endorsement... isn't is so convenent that things are always so black and white?

/Really off to bed this time
2004-11-02 09:38:58 AM  
Now, watch this drive
2004-11-02 09:39:06 AM  

Personal attacks, nice.
2004-11-02 09:39:11 AM  
No, Boortz is a moron, I never mentioned whether I agree with him or not.

All Boortz has going for him is he isn't a junkie like Rush Limbaugh
2004-11-02 09:39:16 AM  
As for turnout, based on the official LineNoise survey of looking out the window next to him at the line for his polling place, the young vote is out there strong. Like I said above I have never seen a line like it, and my town is predominantly mid 20s.

Granted they are also for the most part educated professionals making around 100k, so its not the perfect demographic, but hey.
2004-11-02 09:39:27 AM  
Major Thomb
People for the American Way, though a bit crazy, stand for the US Constitution - something the Repugs and Chimpy absolutely abhore.

I have no doubt that they are just as interested in making sure Republicans vote as they are Democrats and Independants.
2004-11-02 09:39:55 AM  
I voted absentee from Germany. Sent my ballot back to NY two weeks ago. If the expat Farkers can do it, so can you.

/voted Badnarik
2004-11-02 09:39:57 AM  
Let's be all wacky and proclaim the following
while inserting our ballots in the optical scanner,

"BEGONE, Unclean Spirit!"
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