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2004-10-31 03:27:52 PM
"Toms said that hosting the tournament as a charitable fund-raiser does not exclude it from state law."

Why don't they just do what we used to do: sell fake money for a small fee, let people gamble with that, then they can trade it in for prizes at the end of the night. The money made at the door went to charity and we absorbed the cost of the prizes. People had lots of fun.
 
2004-10-31 04:54:24 PM
The brothers of Pi Kappa Phi say the money they raise goes to the PUSH America foundation with help from Chris Moneymaker, the 2003 World Series of Poker champion.

Maybe it is in the name....
 
2004-10-31 04:55:25 PM
Every once in a while an article about a greek organization doing right comes around. Good for these guys for turning this fad for poker into something good for their community.

Bad for the state of Tennessee for not realizing it's better to promote a fraternity's philanthropy than to have to deal with the drinking, date-raping, vandalizing neanderthals that are normally associated with fraternity life.
 
2004-10-31 04:55:25 PM
At Auburn University, there is a fraternaty that is having a Texas Hold'em Tournament. It is a two day tournament where the winner gets a trip to a bigger tournament. I know that there are laws against playing poker here in Alabama, but they are still going to do it. I don't know what that frat's excuse is, but maybe they can pass it on to this frat.
 
2004-10-31 04:56:43 PM
There's laws against playing poker in Alabama?

What the hell.
 
2004-10-31 04:58:22 PM
you can't play poker but you can play the lottery?
 
2004-10-31 04:59:34 PM
I've never figured out why gambling is such a big deal with some people... If you're putting up your money knowing you might loose it all, they why should I (or the government) care if you loose your shirt????

You can't save people from their own stupid ideas. If they want to gamble their money, fine with me.
 
2004-10-31 04:59:56 PM
The PUSH foundation is incredibly worthwhile. Pi Kappa Phi does awesome things all over the country to help it out.

This needs a HERO tag.
 
2004-10-31 05:00:15 PM
you can't play poker but you can play the lottery?

The government hates gambling..... unless it's the bookie.
 
2004-10-31 05:02:35 PM
The frats at our school hold poker tournies for charity all the time. It is legal in most states for exactly the reason the person said in the article. As long as the only money exchanged is a entrance fee that goes straight to charity, and the prizes are all non-monetary - then that is legal in most states (where gambling is illegal). But I don't live down there....so who the hell knows.
 
2004-10-31 05:03:05 PM
Why are poker tournaments illegal, but chess tournaments and Magic: The Gathering tournaments perfectly fine?
 
2004-10-31 05:04:13 PM
I go to the University of Illinois, and our Poker Club here wanted to run a freeroll tournament (costs players $0 to enter) that would have been sponsored by a major internet poker site. This poker site was set to provide (I believe) $1000 in prize money to go to the winners. Okay, so think abut this: No cost to play, but $1000 in prizes. So of course the farkers in the administration said the event couldn't be run because it was gambling.

Isn't the point of anti-gambling rules to protect players from excessive financial losses? Some people are just so stupid...
 
2004-10-31 05:04:26 PM
jack21221: Poker is considered a game of chance, which files it under gambling. Chess and Magic are considered games of skill.

Which is why the Poker only casino in California is legal. California considers poker a game of skill.
 
2004-10-31 05:06:08 PM
Poker is no more a game of chance than Magic: The Gathering is. I have played both games extensively.
 
2004-10-31 05:06:14 PM
I'm pretty sure gambling laws exist so if you want to gamble, you have to gamble with the state. That way, I can play the 3-digit number, at 1000-1 odds and get paid $400 if I win. Or play the 4-digit number at 10000-1 odds and get paid 4500 - taxes if I win.
 
2004-10-31 05:07:46 PM
Regardless of what you think, that is generally why poker is illegal in some states and Magic isn't.

And, honestly, there is more skill involved with Magic than there is with poker. You can be an idiot and win a poker tourney if you get full houses every hand.
 
2004-10-31 05:08:51 PM
We have gambling on the ballot where I am in college (Nebraska of all hell-hole, ugly women places).

The signs say:

CasiNO: Say NO to broken homes.

They are mostly in church lots. Unfortunately, most of the voters here buy into that crap. They say Casinos lead to crime and to people spending too much money. Of course, on the border of Nebraska and another "great state," Iowa, THERE ARE CASINOS. So if someone wanted to be addicted to gambling or "break" homes, they could just drive the extra 5 minutes and give Iowa the tax money.

LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN FARKING DECISIONS, GEEZZZZZZ.
 
2004-10-31 05:09:25 PM
I've never seen a frat do any fund raising for any purpose other than not getting kicked off campus. I don't trust them with my money.
 
2004-10-31 05:10:25 PM
Daniels:

You won't get a full house every hand. It is virtually impossible to get it even 6 or 7 times in a row, let alone hundreds and hundreds of hands over the course of a tournament. That is like saying "you'll win at Magic if you draw your perfect starting hand every game, and your opponent can't draw a land to save his life."
 
2004-10-31 05:13:46 PM
Jack: That's a fair point. I'm just saying, in my opinion I think there's more strategy and planning and skill involving in constructing a deck and winning a Magic tourney then there is to winning a poker tourney. You drop 500 magic cards in front of someone who learned the rules 15 minutes ago and tell him to win a tourney, he's going to be dumbfounded. Do the same thing to a guy just learning poker and he's got a better shot if the cards come his way.

Not saying there isn't skill involved with poker... just saying I think there's more involved with Magic.
 
2004-10-31 05:14:36 PM
In addition, it takes a LOT more skill to read exactly what two hole cards an opponent has in Texas Hold'em by looking at their body movements and betting habits than to decide whether to, for example, attack in Magic.
 
2004-10-31 05:17:13 PM
Another frustrating intrusion brought to you by an overactive government infested with Christian cultists.

 
2004-10-31 05:18:58 PM
One big reason I say that poker is not a game of luck, is over the long run, everybody gets the same exact cards the exact same frequency of times. Sure, somebody can go on a hot streak for as long as a couple months, but in the long run, skill is the only determining factor. The luck evens out.

This is unlike the Lottery, where the odds always favor the house (the state).

Either way, I feel I should be able to throw away my money any time I want. If it is legal for me to give you 50 dollars, and it is legal for you to give me 50 dollars, why is it illegal for us to play a game to decide which of those legal activities occurs?
 
2004-10-31 05:21:28 PM
Sorry for so many posts, but I keep realizing I am not making my point clear:

Poker is also different than a game such as... betting on the card game "War" for example. Or, betting on Candyland, because there is no skill possible. It is pure luck. Poker has elements of luck, just like Magic: The Gathering does.

I just think that the word "poker" has a stigma attached that people can't shake.
 
2004-10-31 05:25:26 PM
iollow:
According to the article, that's exactly what they did, and two people in charge, one at the university and another with the government, said it was O.K. Some fundie who hates all games of chance is spewing some crap.
 
2004-10-31 05:36:14 PM
enemyplanet:
If you're putting up your money knowing you might loose it all, they why should I (or the government) care if you loose your shirt????

Many states don't allow it not because of the act itself, but because of the bad element that it inevitably generates.
 
2004-10-31 05:49:23 PM
Many states don't allow it not because of the act itself, but because of the bad element that it inevitably generates.

HEHEHEHEHE, yeah, because criminals will only gamble if it is legal. Many states don't have legislatures that think, either.
 
2004-10-31 05:49:50 PM
If it were a "normal" poker match, yes, but

1. You cannot put in more money and start with more chips, not can you play twice or anything. There is no inclination to put in more money to increase your odds of winning.

2. No money is given out, just prizes.

If this is illegal, why isn't Chuck E. Cheese?

Some games have a luck component. As long as Skill Component > Luck component then it's still a game of skill.
 
2004-10-31 05:57:30 PM
How is this any different than church sponsored bingo with the exception that it involves skill?

Here in Virginia, they shut down a tournament held by police officers.
 
2004-10-31 06:08:38 PM
Fundies "spewing crap" or not, the fact remains that gambling is illegal in Tennessee, and therefore this sort of event is prohibited.
 
2004-10-31 06:28:03 PM
O'charley's manager Ed Pasto was in my H.S. graduating class. How funny.
 
2004-10-31 07:04:18 PM
Bingo = LEGAL
Poker = ILLEGAL


WTF?

yes, poker is gambling still, but it is very much a game of skill

Someone mentioned the guy drawing a bunch of full houses always winning by luck? You dont necessarily win a lot because you get good cards. one of the smallest pots i ever took was the one straight flush i've had in the past 5 months
 
2004-10-31 07:04:40 PM
In most states you are required by law to bet that you will get into an auto accident. Most people bet that their home will burn down or flood. I bet that my apartment will burn to the ground.

So why is betting for fun against the law? The state can run any kind of game they want, but if you put on a poker night for charity you had better hire a lawyer.

I say legalize all gambling, just enforce honest gaming.
 
2004-10-31 07:14:08 PM
I will be running for the Maryland state legislature in 2006 as a Libertarian... I am strongly considering making legalized home poker games and tournaments as a cornerstone issue to set myself apart from both the Republicans and Democrats.
 
2004-10-31 07:18:50 PM
Ouroborus

If you were talking to me about The Lottery, then you are wrong. Alabama doesn't have a lottery. If you were talking about any other state, then ok. Alabama is stupid. They don't allow almost anything here, except Bingo.
 
2004-10-31 08:12:27 PM
Before you hand over your 'donation' to something like this, do your homework.

In central Indiana, there is a guy who is trying to pull off 'poker for charity' tournaments. Problem is, he gives out cash prizes, and the charity that these tournaments are supposedly for only exists on paper. One of this charity's 'goals' was to rent out storage sheds for homeless people to live in. How considerate!! On his website, he claims to have worked for the CIA, to have performed exorcisms, and to have predicted murders. Tax fraud and jailarity will soon be ensuing.
 
2004-10-31 08:19:57 PM
i hope those darn kids don't get to play thier game. they're going to destroy the world with there poker games, and rock 'n' roll music.
 
2004-10-31 08:21:21 PM
their, i don't proofread. there also = their

/i'm sorry
 
2004-10-31 08:46:50 PM
PUSH is a great philathropy from one of the few fraternities I considered joining. All Pi Kap chapters participate, generously. Nothing to do with avoiding getting kicked off campus.

/Hoping Moneymaker helps them make some.
 
2004-10-31 08:56:55 PM
mafiachuck, not directed at you, I was just throwing it out there
 
2004-10-31 09:22:15 PM
We have gambling on the ballot where I am in college (Nebraska of all hell-hole, ugly women places).

The signs say:

CasiNO: Say NO to broken homes.

They are mostly in church lots. Unfortunately, most of the voters here buy into that crap. They say Casinos lead to crime and to people spending too much money. Of course, on the border of Nebraska and another "great state," Iowa, THERE ARE CASINOS. So if someone wanted to be addicted to gambling or "break" homes, they could just drive the extra 5 minutes and give Iowa the tax money.

LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN FARKING DECISIONS, GEEZZZZZZ.


I too live in, and go to college in Nebraska. 1st of all, there are plenty of hot broads here. Yes, I used the word "broad." Deal with it. But I digress....Just because they won't got out with you, does not make them ugly. And before any of you from NY or LA (or anywhere else) start going off about "fat cornfed girls"; 1)there are no more fat girls here than anywhere else, and 2)at least our girls don't all sleep with any guy that gives them the time of day (like my soon to be ex G.F. who is from NY). But I digress further.....

Anyway, let me tell you what some of the problems with the gambling initiatives here in NE. First of all, there is a correlation between legalized gambling, and crime in the areas of legalized gambliing. 2nd of all, the people who are addictive gamblers are the people who can least affort it. I'm dizamn tired of paying their way already, I don't want to aggravate the situation. 3rd - Don't you people understand that the Las Vegas interests are pushing the resdidents of Nebraska to change the Nebraska Constitution for the benefit of the Las Vegas interests? If I were to ask you to change your lifestyle for my benefit, you'd tell me (rightly) to fark off. How many NE based casinos are there? Oh that's right, none. So the "keep the money in Nebraska" idea is fatally flawed. Want to keep the money in Nebraska? Go to a movie. Go spend $300 on new furniture. (Then not only will the money stay in Nebraska, you'll also have something for your $300 :)

Don't forget that for every casino people think will be built, the Indian tribes get to build a casino also! I guess that will keep the money in Nebraska, but we still have a host of other problems with gambling.

Hm, so we'll have all these extra millions of $$$ to play with if we get casino gambling, eh? Well when our taxes go up anyway, what will the answer be that is provided by the gambling proponents? I already have the answer - we're going to spend the money! We will be in no better shape financially than we are now. Yes there is a budget crunch here, but all that extra money will be spent, and our budget crunch will continue. Or end as it cyclically does anyway.

We may as well legalize prostitution if all we are concerned about is finding new tax sources.

Ok, no more soap box. Lets talk about the really important things - Joe Daily sux, USC was called USC-CC just a couple of years ago. The Huskers will be back on top by the time I'm done with school in 2007. Harrison Beck rules.
 
2004-10-31 10:16:50 PM
I too live in, and go to college in Nebraska. 1st of all, there are plenty of hot broads here. Yes, I used the word "broad." Deal with it. But I digress....Just because they won't got out with you, does not make them ugly.

Hehe, there are actually good looking girls here. The proportion is low. Assuming I can't get a girl to save my life (won't even argue with you), so what? A smoker can say smoking is bad and be right. A guy who can't pick up women (even drunk ones) can still say they are ugly.

And before any of you from NY or LA (or anywhere else) start going off about "fat cornfed girls"; 1)there are no more fat girls here than anywhere else,

I disagree totally. Nebraska is the third most inactive state. But I like the "confed girls." Bodies here are great. So many tall girls with MEAT on their bones without being fat. I don't want a model. So I actually think "cornfed" is a good thing. Faces...well, that is another story. East German swim team? AGAIN, NOT EVERYONE. There are some hot women here just like anyone else, but they are harder to find than in other places I've lived. But I will say that it is a lot easier to find a tall girl with a nice body here if that is your thing. Also, if you are into blondes, then this is the place for you.

and 2)at least our girls don't all sleep with any guy that gives them the time of day (like my soon to be ex G.F. who is from NY).

Well, being that you already figured out that I can't pick up women, you can ignore this... But I've found girls to be just as horny here as anywhere else. Just endure the boring horror that is Mickey's for about 5 minutes and you can find about 500 girls that would gladly sleep with "any guy" that night.

/trolling Nebraska since 1924
 
2004-11-01 12:43:42 AM
Just endure the boring horror that is Mickey's for about 5 minutes and you can find about 500 girls that would gladly sleep with "any guy" that night.


Mickey's really does suck. It was cool when it opened, then it went hip-hop. Now, it sucks. Give me Duffy's, and The Bar.

Yeah, but my GF's just a textbook slut. I can't walk past the whipped cream at the grocery store without thinking of the time she told me about the time she tried busting out the whipped cream with a guy. Then she said she was disappointed when he told her he didn't like whipped cream. You know, I just don't like hearing that shi'ite from a girl I'm dating. WTF do you tell a guy that for? And how little does it say about me that this was not something she recently told me?
 
2004-11-01 01:59:18 AM
Game of skill != gambling
 
2004-11-01 11:09:31 AM
"Poker games would be considered a casino game of chance," Barbara Toms said. "It would be unconstitutional and prohibited."

Once again, "It would be unconstitutional and prohibited."

Once more, "It would be unconstitutional..."

Somebody please tell me when playing poker became "unconstitutional."

I smell civil war.
 
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