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2004-10-29 08:17:53 PM
A civil war? That's funny. Since most libs are against guns, it shouldn't last long huh?
 
2004-10-29 08:17:57 PM
The media this election has forced me to bushiathey break huge stories and are disgusted by Bush allowing weapons to go missing. Yet where was this disgust when Mass Graves were being found? Oh yeah and the weapons that are missing can be used for WMD's, if the IAEA knew they existed. They should have destroyed them.
 
2004-10-29 08:18:36 PM
Also I don't know what January you're talking about, since icasualties.org notes that there were 52 coalition deaths this past January.

/dept of persnickety


You should have it out with Korovyov as well since he said 47.

/dept of vanity notice
 
2004-10-29 08:19:50 PM
21-7-b

I don't remember him saying that. So what if it was just the kids, is that really affecting your decision not to vote for Bush? He probably is embarassed to give his real reason. The guy gets more death threats than anyone in the world. I would be thinking, "Holy shiat! I'm next. Why am I thinking about the lack of goals/accomplishments in my life, my loved ones, etc. ... OK, enough of that! think about your response, you're the leader of the free world! But I was warned about this. The shiat is going to hit the fan! Better stay calm. Wher do I go? Why isn't the secret service rushing me away? Maybe it isn't that bad. It could be a mistake. Did I hear that right?" yada yada yada

We expect our president to be Superman. But the truth is that he's just the best man for the job (according to the electoral process). Kerry has admitted that he didn't know what to do after the attacks. So how are we to assume he would have handled the situation better? The only other president that has had to deal with an attack on the homeland is FDR. That is the only other standard we can judge him by. Somehow I don't think we have video footage of his reaction, and I think he would have been just as slow to react considering the Japs were 7,000 miles away.

I think he should have been faster, but why is acting presidential the most important thing? Isn't the leadership he displayed by returning to the capitol that evening just as important? A couple days later thanking the rescue workers?

The truth is many conservatives understand he's not Tony Blair. We respect his strength more than Kerry's masterful ability to use lawyerspeak.
 
2004-10-29 08:20:10 PM
2004-10-29 08:07:56 PM LiberalZombie

Hoo-ray!

"Bush has no October Suprise! It is OFFICIAL: He has FAILED at the primary goal of his War on Terrorism - Osama Bin Ladin is alive and still able to organize and lead attacks on American targets!"

Didn't you see "Filmed at Guantanamo Bay" when they rolled the credits?

"Question to Bush: What the fark are we doing in Iraq, you clown?!"

Answer to Liberal Zombie: "Osama does not equal terrorism you assclown"
 
2004-10-29 08:20:17 PM
scratchnsmiff


I think it actually went something like this...

"We're in a crippling economic situation and alone on the continent... It's the Jews/homosexuals/Gypsies/Slavs/Communists fault... Lets remove them from our lands... And the lands around us just to be safe..."



Actually, I was referring to France, and WWI

Um, no.. it was Russia, and the Russo-Japanese war..

Ooops sorry, wrong again, Ukraine, and the Ukranian Polish wars...

Um, no The Soviet Union, and the Cold War...


Why did you pick Germany?
 
2004-10-29 08:23:35 PM
Red Donkey:

Bush hasn't done one goddamn thing for National Security, besides fark it up. How can anyone possibly do worse?

And, how, could you possibly think that National Security trumps your freedom and your rights?
*insert popular Thomas Jefferson quote here*

Without your freedom and your rights, what is the point of having National Security?

I'd rather die in a free country, to a terrorist attack, than live in Bush's screwed up version of the way things should be.
 
2004-10-29 08:24:18 PM
Could we please not bring up michael moore or rush limbaugh or any of the talking heads. They play their roles and you personally need to be the one who has to sort through all the BS to find the whole truth. But it has been my observation that the heads along with any other right winger will ,at some point in their bashing dialog, refer to the mans weight in a derogatory manner.
 
2004-10-29 08:26:34 PM
Damn hungry, need to head home. *sigh* Pity it's not John McCain vs Wesley Clark vs Nader vs Pat Buchanan or something like that.
/mumbles about a desire to fragment the major parties
 
2004-10-29 08:26:56 PM
whoa_mamma

he fails every test
 
2004-10-29 08:27:02 PM
Does anyone have a transcript? Savage is going apeshiat saying that portions of Osama's tape paraphrase f/9-11 verbatim. I don't know how to check and see if that is the case or not as I have not seen f/9-11. Surely there is a transcript of f-911 somewhere around?
 
2004-10-29 08:28:14 PM
2004-10-29 08:23:35 PM ekdikeo4

Red Donkey:

Bush hasn't done one goddamn thing for National Security, besides fark it up. How can anyone possibly do worse?

"And, how, could you possibly think that National Security trumps your freedom and your rights?
*insert popular Thomas Jefferson quote here*

Without your freedom and your rights, what is the point of having National Security?

I'd rather die in a free country, to a terrorist attack, than live in Bush's screwed up version of the way things should be."

How has Bush farked up national security? We're more secure than we were on 9-11. How has Bush trampled your rights or liberties? Name one thing. Don't quote the patriot act, unless it has affected you. You're still free.

/hoping big brother isn't watching
 
2004-10-29 08:29:56 PM
if anyone's still listening. Why do countries seek nuclear arsenals? To keep other countries from attacking them whenever they feel like it? Countries and peoples do not like to be killed and conquered, usually.

WMD have made it possible for any group to negotiate with any government; now we have to actually listen to these people's concerns and respect their land, beliefs, and culture--what a horrible world.
 
2004-10-29 08:30:18 PM
As for me, I guess I don't really want Kerry to win, either. I have never seen as much rightie pissing, moaning, and crying as I have seen on Fark.

You guys control most of the nations governorships, the SCOTUS, the Presidency and both houses of Congress and you still can't get shiat done and everything is STILL apparently the fault of Bill Clinton's penis. Economy bad? Clinton's fault. Economy good? Bush's doing.

Rush goes down, O'Reilly goes down. Is it their fault? Nah, it's the liberal media bashing them, don't you know? WTF ever happened to taking responsibility!?

All the righties will be WETTING themselves with impotent rage if Kerry is elected and I don't think I will be able to bear all of the teary, blubbering weeping you all will be doing...

I'm not kidding. I don't think I can bear to see your vitriol bumped up another notch.

/And with that, I think I'll head home for a beer. Good night all and no offense to the reasonable among you...
 
2004-10-29 08:30:40 PM
2004-10-29 08:27:02 PM faethe [TotalFark]

"Does anyone have a transcript? Savage is going apeshiat saying that portions of Osama's tape paraphrase f/9-11 verbatim. I don't know how to check and see if that is the case or not as I have not seen f/9-11. Surely there is a transcript of f-911 somewhere around?"

Osama watched F-911, and gave it 2 planes down.

/ducks
 
2004-10-29 08:30:43 PM
A silly assumption, not used to yanks knowing European history :p

/me is donning the flame-proof overalls
 
2004-10-29 08:30:50 PM
Kerry voted against the first Gulf War. Voted against the military every chance he could. Voted against the $87B after he said he wouldn't. The coauthor of his version of the bill, Joe Biden, still voted for the $87B. Only 11 Senators voted against it. Only 3 voted for going to war and voted against the supplemental. Howard Dean, not budget concerns, made him reverse his position.

Ever notice how Kerry never talks about his record? This man cannot be trusted.
 
2004-10-29 08:30:59 PM
I love how people berate Bush for sitting in the classroom.

I remember when I first heard of the first plane hitting. There was no indication of a terrorist attack as this had never happened before. Our defenses were down, nothing like this was expected. Yes Bush could have done better, but Ill be he was thinking the same thing, accident, once the second hit then we knew better.

/me loves Monday morning quarterbacking over 140 Mondays removed from the event.
 
2004-10-29 08:31:42 PM
faethe------
a small peice of advice...... Savage is an idiot, dont' take anything he says seriously.
 
2004-10-29 08:33:02 PM
faethe

Bin Laden said something about Bush listening to a little girl reading about her goat while he was launching 911... something along those lines. That was the whole 7 minutes (5 if you've seen fahrenhype) bush was in the classroom
 
2004-10-29 08:33:23 PM
http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/1008043staluppi1.html

classic.
 
2004-10-29 08:33:50 PM
whoa_mamma

care to run through bush's voting history ?
 
2004-10-29 08:35:52 PM
ok...so...yes OBL is a madman, a psycho piece of shiat who should be killed...

but...

why can we not leave israel alone and gtfo of iraq?! if that will pacify this guy and his breed, why not?
thats billions of dollars back in our pockets, both in taxes paid to israel and money saved from war.
why must we blindy support israel?!
why!?

and before you begin, haiti was a democracy too - we didn't mind watching that crumble. we don't mind hating france. we have a great relationship with dictatorships like saudi arabia and kuwait.

our policies suck, so we the people take it in the butt. what a republic.
 
2004-10-29 08:36:24 PM
whoa_mamma

President George W. Bush

Project Vote Smart does not have any voting records information available for this office. Please call our Voter's Research Hotline 1-888-VOTE SMART with any questions.


oooh
 
2004-10-29 08:36:30 PM
All the righties will be WETTING themselves with impotent rage if Kerry is elected and I don't think I will be able to bear all of the teary, blubbering weeping you all will be doing...

Apparently you are misinformed.

Whoever wins, the other side will assert conspiracy and corruption, and legal challenges will be filed.
 
2004-10-29 08:36:36 PM
 
2004-10-29 08:37:48 PM
REPORTER: "You, yourself, have acknowledged that Osama bin Laden was not a central focus of the administration in the months before September 11th. "I was not on point," you told the journalist, Bob Woodward, "I didn't feel that sense of urgency." Two-and-a-half years later, do you feel any sense of personal responsibility for September 11th?"
George W. Bush: "Let me put that quote to Woodward in context. He had asked me if I was -- something about killing bin Laden. That's what the question was. And I said, compared to how I felt at the time, after the attack, I didn't have that -- I also went on to say, my blood wasn't boiling, I think is what the quote said. I didn't see -- I mean, I didn't have that great sense of outrage that I felt on September the 11th. I was -- on that day I was angry and sad. Angry that al Qaeda had -- well, at the time -- thought al Qaeda -- found out shortly thereafter it was al Qaeda -- had unleashed this attack. Sad for those who lost their life."
-- George W. Bush, White House, Apr. 13, 2004

"So I don't know where [Osama bin Laden] is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. ...And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." - George W. Bush, White House, Mar. 13, 2002

"Uhh -- Gosh, I -- don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those, uhh, exaggerations." - George W. Bush, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

/lest we forget
 
2004-10-29 08:38:50 PM
Why do people mention the elections when talking about this issue? Have you people forgotten we have the power not these puppets? If the people care enough and make it known and these asshats will be forced to listen. I find it intriguing that this last tape has bin laden saying he ordered the attacks (which is the first time he's EVER said this). hmmm....

In December 2001, the Pentagon made public a videotape in which Mr. bin Laden was shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, hailing the outcome of the Sept. 11 attacks as exceeding even his "optimistic" calculations.

But in none of his previous messages, audio or video, did the Qaeda leader directly state that he had ordered the attacks, which killed some 3,000 people in New York, at the Pentagon and in a hijacked airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania en route, investigators believe, to strike a target in Washington, D.C.

"As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way (and) to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women."--OBL

What towers in lebanon? wtf
 
2004-10-29 08:39:22 PM
The vast majority of the American electorate won't care what Osama bin Laden says, let alone understand it. But they might care that the guy is still around to taunt us, a little legacy of the Bush incompetence.
 
2004-10-29 08:39:27 PM
dickie boy's

opposed federal funding for abortions -- with no exceptions in the case of rape or incest.

voted against the Equal Rights Amendment for women, along with 146 other members of Congress in 1983.

consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.

was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.

was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban.

voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases.

opposed refunding the Clean Water Act. He voted to postpone sanctions slapped on air polluters that failed to meet pollution standards.

voted against legislation to require oil, chemical and other industries from making public records of emissions known to cause cancer, birth defects and other chronic diseases.
 
2004-10-29 08:39:29 PM
Wytchocolate
Answer to Liberal Zombie: "Osama does not equal terrorism you assclown"

I.cannot.believe.you.actually.typed.that.
 
2004-10-29 08:41:07 PM
21-7-b

whoa_mamma

care to run through bush's voting history ?


huh? he was never a lawmaker or lawyer. He was a businessman and a governor - two professions that require leadership.
 
2004-10-29 08:41:52 PM
Ya know... if Osama's been planning this since he saw the towers in Lebanon fall (1982) and then 19 years later we get 9/11.... at this rate, he might be dead before his next planned attack.

/looking at the bright side.
 
2004-10-29 08:45:11 PM
whoa_mamma

that's a no then.

care to run through bush's business history?
 
2004-10-29 08:47:47 PM
if Osama's been planning this since he saw the towers in Lebanon fall (1982) and then 19 years later we get 9/11....

If it takes him 19 years to plan and execute an attack, then we sure as hell better go to war with iraq.

i love logic.
 
2004-10-29 08:49:33 PM
2004-10-29 08:27:02 PM faethe [TF]

Savage is going apeshiat saying that portions of Osama's tape paraphrase f/9-11 verbatim.


Oxymoron much?
 
2004-10-29 08:50:20 PM
Pity it's not John McCain vs Wesley Clark vs Nader vs Pat Buchanan or something like that.

If anyone else had run, they'd be getting smeared as well and you would have the same bozos here that smear Kerry smearing the Democratic candidate. Did you ever hear of John Kerry before all of this? McCain was destroyed in the 2000 primary with the same BS as they are trying to use to destroy Kerry. This isn't about Kerry, as it wasn't about Clinton; it's about power. Nader and Buchanan are never going to be anything more than a sideshow distraction.
 
2004-10-29 08:50:42 PM
21-7-b

I would love to be wooed by a good bedtime story. Please waste your time going through Bush's business history for us.
 
2004-10-29 08:50:44 PM
Noah... did I reference Iraq?
 
2004-10-29 08:52:25 PM
Wytchocolate

Just out of curiosity, are you capable of analytical thought? Or do you merely relay the pathetic crap you pick up from the freepers?

You're such a Goddamn idiot is't just sad. My intention wasn't to flame anyone here, and God knows there's enough other idiots around. But you must just be the king or something. Does Oldbutfast live with you, do you guys make this crap up when you take long bubble baths together?

/seriously not trying to troll
//just disgusted as hell after reading this entire thread
 
2004-10-29 08:52:47 PM
CBSNEWS.COM poll:
With the election days away, the tape of Osama bin Laden criticizing President Bush:

Hurts President Bush:
81.20%
Helps President Bush:
18.80%
 
2004-10-29 08:53:46 PM
/so pissed I can't type
 
2004-10-29 08:54:22 PM
21-7-b

that's a no then.

it is?

care to run through bush's business history?

Sure.
After receiving an MBA from Harvard Business School in 1975, he began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland and worked in the energy industry until 1986. After working on his father's 1988 presidential campaign he assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989 and which later built the Ranger's new home, the Ballpark at Arlington.

How about his record as governor?

He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote.

In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo.

During three Texas Legislative sessions, Governor Bush worked in a spirit of bipartisan cooperation with statewide leaders and members of the Texas Legislature to enact historic reforms to improve public schools, put welfare recipients to work, curb frivolous lawsuits and strengthen criminal justice laws. In his five years in office, Bush delivered the two largest tax cuts in state history, totaling nearly $3 billion, to Texas taxpayers.

Does that work?
 
2004-10-29 08:55:55 PM
21-7-b

He says a lot of stuff... and then he says contradictory stuff...

Maybe he said it on opposite day in an alternate universe and into a magic talking mirror that only spoke Swahili in reverse, and the translation was made in French and was relayed to Teresa Kerry, who later told someone in line who in turn passed it down six or seven more people who gave it to the source(s) you are referring to?

Or perhaps he said that no one could think at the time.
 
2004-10-29 08:56:04 PM
You've already been wooed by a good bedtime story.



We'd read you non-fiction, but it seems to make you all fussy.
 
2004-10-29 08:56:15 PM
Wizzard... if you read this ENTIRE thread, dude, you need a hobby!!!
 
2004-10-29 08:56:33 PM
esteban9

CBSNEWS.COM poll:
With the election days away, the tape of Osama bin Laden criticizing President Bush:

Hurts President Bush:
81.20%
Helps President Bush:
18.80%


Credible.
 
2004-10-29 08:56:41 PM
21-7-b

Care to run through Kerry's Senate record? Don't forget the parts where he voted for the Nuclear Freeze and against the first Gulf War.
 
2004-10-29 08:59:29 PM
MrBigglesworth
I love how people berate Bush for sitting in the classroom.

I remember when I first heard of the first plane hitting. There was no indication of a terrorist attack as this had never happened before. Our defenses were down, nothing like this was expected. Yes Bush could have done better, but Ill be he was thinking the same thing, accident, once the second hit then we knew better.


What BS spin!

All it took was one look at the North Tower of the WTC (remember Bush says he saw it on TV before the classroom).

Any pilot (you remember, what George was trying to show everybody on the Abraham Lincoln, that he had been a pilot) looking at that picture knew that it was no accident, that it was intentional.

I knew it, and said so to my wife as soon as I saw the picture.

Look at the pictures taken of the North Tower before the South Tower was stuck. It's staring you right in the face that it was intentional!
 
2004-10-29 09:00:34 PM
damitjim

Wizzard... if you read this ENTIRE thread, dude, you need a hobby!!!

Damn, and I thought that's what this was.

:)

/has too much free time on Fridays
 
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