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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Environmental group: "Blah blah blah, Earth in danger, blah blah, destruction of natural habitats, blah blah, fossil fuels, blah blah blah, humans to blame, blah blah blah..."   ( divider line
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2004-10-22 02:27:30 PM  
...the environmental group WWF warned in a new report Thursday.

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2004-10-22 02:27:31 PM  
Because pretending their is no problem, ignoring overwhelming scientific evidence in favor of the theories espoused by those few who have a stake in denying the issue, and blaming it all on chicken little liberals is a whole hell of a lot easier than doing anything about it.
2004-10-22 02:27:46 PM  
Silly BigTuna. If the ocenas salinity level is low because of melting polar icecaps then we'll just have to do what Chinese restaurants do to make everything taste grrrrrrrrreat; add MSG.
2004-10-22 02:27:55 PM  
2004-10-22 02:24:28 PM Weaver95

Lomberg has no credibility as a scientist.

Prove Lomborg wrong then. See if you can take down Julian Simon while you're at it. He proved the eco-nuts wrong quite nicely.

"You mean RON LOMBORG, the Initrode guy?"
2004-10-22 02:28:22 PM  
I'll bet the headline is exactly the way Bush would read his PDB with the same title. The thing I don't understand about people like Bush and Cheney, who arguably make the environment worse - as well as contribute to our absorbing the worlds natural resources that much more quickly, is why do they have kids?

Are they really that ignorant about what's happening to the earth's environment or do they think they can protect themselves in a "money-sphere"?
2004-10-22 02:28:30 PM  
wtf_imanut --

Loved that scene. I've been saying NYC needs an enima for years.
2004-10-22 02:28:32 PM  
Why is it always Republicans that deny the environmental damage we're doing? Is it because you don't understand the science? Honestly, no sarcasm, I just don't get why you are so eager to deny it every time it's mentioned. I also find it kind of ironic that Republicans accuse scientists of using "scare tactics". Maybe it's a proprietary thing.
2004-10-22 02:28:47 PM  
2004-10-22 02:27:30 PM calculator13

uhhh that'd be the WWE , calculator...

*loves that a bunch of hippies can tell the wrestling dorks to go fark themselves*
2004-10-22 02:28:57 PM  
"Do you want to live forever?"

/name that movie
2004-10-22 02:28:59 PM  
All this global warming talk is pissing me off more and more every year. I'm not in a position to speak about any part of the world where it's warm all year long (mother nature sends her love, have another hurricane on me) but last winter we had the coldest average daily temperature in my area since record keeping began. This summer was the coolest I can remember and this fall isn't shaping up any nicer. If we're heading into another winter of minus freakin 30 degrees for 5 straight weeks I swear I will find as many CFC filled aerosol cans and duct tape them open for the next 6 months! I will be on a one man mission open that stupid ozone hole these "scientists" keep talking about, even if it means setting fire to half the rain forests on earth. What about the animals?! Hell, I'll be skinning them all for coats in the meantime. I'm gonna burn coal in my barbeque non-stop. Tire fires? Great for marshmallows.

Think I'll go club a seal and idle my car for a while now.
2004-10-22 02:29:00 PM  
Whatcha gonna do when the WWF runs wild on you?
2004-10-22 02:29:00 PM  
he's a statistician, which is more to the point of the book. Have you read the book? It is quite interesting. He presents the evidence factually and credibly.

that's why no good and true believer in eco-doom will EVER read up on Lomborg. Lomborg used to be part of the Deep Green elite too, until he started researching the eco-nut claims and realized they were false. Now he's a Heretic and excommunicated.
2004-10-22 02:29:05 PM  
albo: how do you get to space to mine for resources when you've already used up all your resources to the point where you have to go to space to find more?

Ahahah! We're screwed! w00! Or at least our kids are definately! Until then, GTA: San Andreas comes out in 3 days.
2004-10-22 02:29:24 PM  

CheekyMunky says: "That's a 'somebody else's problem' approach..."

It *is* somebody else's problem. If I'm extremely fortunate, I'll last another sixty years. Even that much is wishful thinking. If things don't come to a head before then, it is--by definition--somebody else's problem.

2004-10-22 02:29:32 PM  
It's all fun and game until mother nature kicks us in the box and shoves us

/followed by a swift cock-punch
2004-10-22 02:29:55 PM  
Everyone's Collective Imaginary Friend

I wish we had a president who believed in science.

Oh man, that works on so many levels.
2004-10-22 02:30:05 PM  
I don't understand how anyone can be a human being and not be an environmentalist. Do you ever think of anyone other than yourself? Do you really think actions don't have consequences?

I long for a world guided by rational science, instead of ignorance and faith.
2004-10-22 02:30:19 PM  
2004-10-22 02:22:18 PM chenry

Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.

I'd like to hear that it the original Aramaic.
2004-10-22 02:30:41 PM  
nuke the whales!

/gotta nuke somethin'
2004-10-22 02:30:51 PM  

Julian Simon? Please. He didn't "prove" anything. He contributed some nice scholarly work that many of us find compelling, but you're really abusing the word "proved."
2004-10-22 02:30:54 PM  
So nobody's ever heard of Juilan Simon's bet with Paul Ehrlich?
2004-10-22 02:31:05 PM  
Paraphrasing George Carlin Here...

The world is fine, the people are the farked up ones. The earth has survived billions of years of comets, astroids, ice ages, ect ect., a few plastic cups is not going to destory it.
2004-10-22 02:31:07 PM  
gilly: I take it you have problems with the 18,000 PhD's that I linked to who have concluded that human activity as the answer to "causation of global warming" is still not a formal conclusive theory are liars?

Maybe they should have studied to obtain PhD's from Pacifica University like a lot of the climatologists did.
2004-10-22 02:31:22 PM  
If only the US would change it's environmental policies! I mean if suddenly we stopped polluting, then the worst is over. We'd just need to convince all of Mexico, South America, Europe, Asia, and Africa to do the same, but that's the easy part, right? Right?
2004-10-22 02:31:56 PM  
He didn't "prove" anything.

Other than curb stomping Ehrlich's theories you mean.
2004-10-22 02:32:01 PM  

Why is it always Republicans that deny the environmental damage we're doing? Is it because you don't understand the science? Honestly, no sarcasm, I just don't get why you are so eager to deny it every time it's mentioned.

I think I know why, and I only recently came to this conclusion. As much as they disdain the "Anybody but Bush" people, they're guilty of the same thing - only in their case it's against "Liberals" in general. If liberals are in favor of something, it must be bad, wrong, or both.
2004-10-22 02:32:05 PM  
2004-10-22 02:29:24 PM treppenwitz

actually, it's YOUR problem just as much as anyone's. I mean, you do live on Planet Earth, too?

And you don't know how long you're going to live, thank you very much...

See, the thing is, it looks like we really need a serious eco-disaster to get people's heads out of their asses on this...
2004-10-22 02:32:23 PM  
"Almost one in three bird species in North America are in "serious decline" because of habitat loss and damage, invasive species, pollution and poor land management. Bird song is especially quiet these days on the country's prairies, including Colorado's Eastern Plains - and researchers say people need to pay attention.

"Across the country, grassland birds seem most at risk, with about 70 percent of them in significant decline, according to Audubon. Many species - including bobolinks, meadowlarks, short-eared owls, mountain plovers and prairie chickens - are found in Colorado.",1413,36~53~2484315,00.html

Panetta added that only 5 percent of commercial fisheries in the late 1960s were considered overfished; that higher levels of fixed nitrogen from industry, cars and farms has caused more than 40 dead zones in oceans which are now devoid of life; and that crowding along coastlines (54 percent of people live along coastlines, which makes up just 17 percent of the nation's lands) is altering sensitive habitats.

The report said that harm is "severe, dramatic, and in some cases, irreversible." Authors said that fishing which depletes populations of fish species alters the food webs and ecosystems; that removing predators disrupts predator/prey relationships; and that fishing can "Alter the structure, function, productivity, and resilience of marine habitats."

Although the U.S. government only has information about one-third of the ocean fish species it manages, according to the report, about one-third of those are overfished. That compares with worldwide overfishing estimated to be 25 percent to 30 percent. The problem reduces prey available to predators, setting off a ripple effect through the ecosystem and that is compounded by what is often called "serial overfishing." That's when fisherman move from one species as its population is decimated to the next species. "A final concern," the report said, is "fishing down the food web, where fishing shifts from higher trophic levels to lower trophic levels, resulting in a top-down ecological disruption."

About one-quarter of species caught up worldwide in nets and longlines is bycatch -- other fish, birds, turtles and marine mammals -- that are cast off and usually die. The report said bycatch has depleted most turtle species, several species of albatross and skates and rays. ".Bycatch extends the ramifications of fishing to a much wider sector of ocean life, with repercussions to the functioning and diversity of ecosystems," the report said. In addition, rocks, ledges, seagrass beds, sponge gardens, and shellfish beds in the ocean all contribute to juvenile fish survival, but fishing is having both temporary and long-term effects on this habitat.

And so on. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Sickeningly, the USA consumes almost 40% of resources with only 5% of the world's population. All so obnoxious and unlovely pigs can have an uninterrupted flow of charred meat and partially-masticated donuts poured ceaselessly down their foul throats. It really is extraordinarily grotesque. Texans are the worst, of course.
2004-10-22 02:32:43 PM  
Criminy - everyone's worried about fossil fuels when its the goats and sheep that really make us "Man, the desert maker". Live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse.
2004-10-22 02:32:49 PM  
Until then, GTA: San Andreas comes out in 3 days.

think of all the oil that when to make those plastic disks. selfish American right-wing bible-thumping pigs!;)
2004-10-22 02:33:51 PM  
2004-10-22 02:30:05 PM Jaboobinator

"I don't understand how anyone can be a human being and not be an environmentalist."

It's easy with the right pills.

" Do you ever think of anyone other than yourself? "

Well, sometimes I'll buy a drink for whomever I'm going to PORK that night.

" Do you really think actions don't have consequences?"

What do I care? That's what sleazy lawyers are for.

" I long for a world guided by rational science, instead of ignorance and faith."

Is is any wonder I wanna party with you?
2004-10-22 02:34:47 PM  
Humans currently consume 20 percent more natural resources than the Earth can produce...

Just exactly WTF does that mean, specifically???
2004-10-22 02:34:49 PM  
The empirical evidence is overwhelming.

Say - aren't you always saying correlation dosen't equal causation?
2004-10-22 02:34:58 PM  
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2004-10-22 02:35:12 PM  
Are we all dead yet?
2004-10-22 02:36:17 PM  
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2004-10-22 02:36:22 PM  
Are we all dead yet?

According to the Founding Father of eco-doom scenarios, we all died in a blizzard around 1975.

So much for the eco-nuts.
2004-10-22 02:36:25 PM  

That wasn't my comment. I copied and pasted the top part just so I could quote the name "LOMBORG" from Office Space.
2004-10-22 02:36:55 PM  
who gives a will last until I die///that all I care about.........
2004-10-22 02:37:04 PM  
I have a solution. All environmentalists who are worried about fossil fuels should live off the grid and ride bikes everywhere and not use plastic or any materials made with industrial techniques or electricity from the grid. All environmentalists who are worried about CO2 emissions should stop breathing too, because they're just making more of it.

The real problem is that environmentalists fear change. They do not accept the fact that the earth is a dynamic, reacting system that has a million negative feedback loops that stop things from spiralling out of control. Volcanos, meteorites, solar flares, geomagnetic pole flips, UV rays, earthquakes, ice ages, gamma ray bursts, etc do a million times more damage to the earth's biosphere than we ever have, and the ol' gal is still here. Environmentalists want to take a photograph of the earth and demand that it never deviate from the status quo. The earth can take it, damnit. It's not weak and scrawny like vegetarians are.

Fun fact: The trees planted in this country through government incentives and logging programs actually mean we have more trees than were here when we arrived on the continent, and those surplus trees absorb more CO2 than our share of the Kyoto reductions would have been if we'd ratified it.
2004-10-22 02:37:17 PM  
Webgrunt --
"Just exactly WTF does that mean, specifically???"

It means he's talking out of his ass with someone else's made up shiat.
2004-10-22 02:37:24 PM  
All I know is:

Coffee taste better from a styrofoam cup.
unless saved by a UFO's humans will destroy this place.

In the mean time I commute 120 miles a day @ 14.5 miles per gallon... Still I make good coin so screw the env....
2004-10-22 02:37:26 PM  

So much for the eco-nuts

Weaver I sincerely believe the rest of the rational world will solve these problems without you...
2004-10-22 02:37:39 PM  
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"...just ask yourself; is this Good for the Planet?"
2004-10-22 02:37:40 PM  
Prove Lomborg wrong then. See if you can take down Julian Simon while you're at it. He proved the eco-nuts wrong quite nicely.

Lomborg has never published in the scientific community. Please point to peer-reviewed articles in journals such Science or Nature penned by Lomborg. He has none. In the scientific world, if you haven't published, you're a nobody. He just wrote a overly simplistic book and all the douchebags who listen to limbaugh at it up with a big spoon.
2004-10-22 02:38:23 PM  
Anyone who thinks we're going to destroy the planet is just as deluded as someone who thinks we aren't making it uninhabitable for future generations
2004-10-22 02:38:33 PM  
when we need the technology, demand will create it.

Man, I can't wait for my Complete-Biosphere-In-A-Can! That's going to RULE!
2004-10-22 02:39:05 PM  
I sincerely believe the rest of the rational world will solve these problems without you...

I just think it's interesting that none of the eco-nuts pay much attention to Julian Simon these days.
2004-10-22 02:39:27 PM  

Here's a pic of the Kyoto Morans.

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2004-10-22 02:40:24 PM  

Some humans are making things uncomfortable for for some other humans while making things more comfortable for still other humans.

Earth, on the other hand has been here for millions of years.

Earth will continue earthing along in her earthy way no matter what humans do or don't do. So will earthette. So, Gargomel can just piss off.

Go ahead, say it. You're just supporting my positon. Say it, biatch. You know you thought it as soon as you saw "millions". (And if you didn't, you're either a creationist or an idiot. Or both.)

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