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2004-10-21 07:51:17 AM


"You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya Grandma?"
 
2004-10-21 08:22:27 AM
The policy says officers may use tasers if a suspect is punching or kicking or if an officer believes the suspect poses a credible threat.


I can see how a 75-year-old woman can pose a credible threat to a fully trained police officer - if she was brandishing a taser, for instance.
 
2004-10-21 08:27:05 AM
The argument in this case is that this grandmother was 5" taller than the 5'4" police officer, binnster. If someone is belligerant (the argument of the officer) and larger, does AARP membership preclude them from being capable of damaging assault?
 
2004-10-21 09:12:20 AM
stevarooni,

Sorry, you lost me at AARP membership.
 
2004-10-21 09:13:22 AM
Which would be worse, using a taser or giving her the shocker?

Damn, I just grossed myself out.
 
2004-10-21 09:53:34 AM
Kimbrell found out later her friend was taking a walk.

Well, the whole incident was totally worth it, then.

Guttrpunk

You grossed me out too.
 
2004-10-21 10:17:04 AM
AARP is the American Association of Retired Persons. Heh, sorry binnster. They don't have AARP in the U.K.? ;-)
 
2004-10-21 10:47:04 AM
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2004-10-21 10:47:36 AM
binnster knows what it means. He's making the (incorrect) point that AARP membership does preclude someone from being capable of damaging assault.

For some reason, lots of people believe that cops should have to take a beating because it's part of their job. Maybe it's just misdirected hostility because they had a bad experience one time. Maybe a friend of a friend once took a beatdown from some backwoods sheriff's deputy. Who knows. It's a silly stand to take. Regardless of age, if someone is stupid enough to swing at a cop, I fully expect that cop to end the situation just as he/she was trained. Tasers hurt like farking hell, but they're better than OC spray, which is in turn better than a bullet in the chest.
 
2004-10-21 10:48:38 AM
"Can I have a glass of warm milk? It help puts me to sleep."

"I can get you a nice warm glass of SHUT THE HELL UP. Now you will go to sleep, or I will put you to sleep. Check out the badge. You're in my world now, grandma."
 
2004-10-21 10:50:26 AM
Article is worthless without video
 
2004-10-21 10:50:33 AM
i worked with those nursing home folks, theyre stronger than you think. I think the stewed prunes are the source of their power. Just a theory.
 
2004-10-21 10:51:37 AM
Nice work there Barney. You just taser'd Aunt May!
 
2004-10-21 10:52:40 AM
i'd hit it.
i just need some nose plugs first.
 
2004-10-21 10:52:52 AM
rock-rock-on
 
2004-10-21 10:54:03 AM
Sounds like the old bat deserved it.
 
2004-10-21 10:54:23 AM
"I'm not going anywhere and you can't make me leave."

/note to self. Don't say that phrase to a Cop.
 
2004-10-21 10:54:34 AM
They could have just told the poor woman that her friend took a walk. Those people are farking stupid. Talk about control freaks.

/gotta fight the turrists. gotta fight 'em.
 
2004-10-21 10:54:34 AM
Bah. Unless I hear more details, I'm gonig to assume the crotchedy old hag deserved it. Being old doesn't give you a free pass to take swings at cops.
 
2004-10-21 10:55:20 AM
I'm sorry, I know the officer has the right to defend herself, but against a 75 year old grandma???? There had to be a better way of handling the situation.
 
2004-10-21 10:55:24 AM
good time to plug www.taser.com just once i'd like to have the christ shocked out of me...
 
2004-10-21 10:55:38 AM
AARP would equate to OAP in the UK I guess (it just means Old Age Pensioner, it isnt a club)

Whether or not it is considered 'acceptable' for a cop to taser a 75 year old woman, its still a pretty sad state of affairs to come to that.
 
2004-10-21 10:55:50 AM
how about the shocker with three tazers.....
 
2004-10-21 10:56:19 AM
Tasers, not just for use on misbehaved children anymore!

" Grandma, I said get in the car! Otherwise it's the taser again!"

/handy home device
 
2004-10-21 10:58:15 AM
My first reaction was this was an obvious overreaction by the cop. But, liverleef brings up a good point. My mom is strong as hell, I doubt a regular sized female cop would be able to peacefully contain her.

So I guess the lesson here is women cops are worthless.
 
2004-10-21 10:58:23 AM
That Police officer should be tazered repeatedly in the nads
 
2004-10-21 10:58:55 AM
Kimbrell, who was charged with trespassing and resisting arrest, said she jerked her arm away because she has arthritis and the officer was hurting her shoulder.

Oldest cop trick in the book. They use a defensive reflex as a justification for violence. I.E. Rodney king putting his arm up to stop the baton blows.

The policy says officers may use tasers if a suspect is punching kicking or if an officer believes the suspect poses a credible threat.

Or should be AND. Given the above guidelines an office could taser a 2 year old that punches.
 
2004-10-21 11:00:00 AM
1. They should have told her where the friend was. Asshats.

2. Having worked with the elderly Liverleef is right. Being short on memory doesn't mean short on muscle.

3. I have seen some old folks to some pretty rude things. There's no excuse to be a biatch just because your over 70.

/sided with everyone.
 
2004-10-21 11:00:21 AM
Hey, she's lucky. In Chicago suburbs, they tackle the old people and kill them.




/Also waiting for Avril Lavigne reference.
 
2004-10-21 11:01:03 AM
"The report said Kimbrell tried to hit the Macon"

Hit the Macon? Is that like hide the bacon?
 
2004-10-21 11:01:19 AM
Of course she was posing such a threat to the officer...that she had to shoot her in the *back* to avoid the assult.

I wonder how this would have played out if the grandma had a pacemaker.

I figure a lawsuit is soon to follow. Since a 50,000 volt shock to a 75 year old unarmed woman might be considered excessive force by some people.
 
2004-10-21 11:01:30 AM
She said she suffered a large bruise on her leg from the fall, but the police report said neither the officer or Kimbrell were injured.

Did she remember saying "I've fallen, and can't get up!"
 
2004-10-21 11:02:28 AM
2004-10-21 10:55:38 AM xria

Better then saying "nee" to an old woman though.
 
2004-10-21 11:03:05 AM
Pity Granma wasn't fitted with a pace maker. Of course I'm sure the officer took this possiblity into account.
 
2004-10-21 11:03:10 AM
Points to note:

1) This is the privacy act in action. One of many reasons why health care is skyrocketing because of washington.
2) When you say "you can't make me leave," you tend to shortly find out that they can and will make you leave.
3) I'm glad this article isn't about martha farking stewart.
 
2004-10-21 11:03:17 AM
yeah it was definitely out of line tazin the old lady...i mean she is an old women...75 years old...a stiff breeze would prolly knock her over let alone a few thousand volts for 5 seconds.

she shoulda maced her... :'-(
 
2004-10-21 11:03:38 AM
BigTuna

binnster knows what it means.


No actually I didn't have a clue, thanks for the unabreviated version stevarooni!

I guess my original point was that a police officer should be trained in the art of self-defense at least to a level at which they can fend off an irrational old woman without resorting to electrocuting them.
 
2004-10-21 11:04:02 AM
I figure a lawsuit is soon to follow. Since a 50,000 volt shock to a 75 year old unarmed woman might be considered excessive force by some people.

Not even so much the shock as the fall.

/Honestly, If it was my grandma I would surely be up on charges right now, and officer friendly would be learning how to recite the Miranda rights with no teeth.
 
2004-10-21 11:04:53 AM
DanB
Also waiting for Avril Lavigne reference.

She should have kicked her in the box and shoved her instead.

/I give because I'm a giver
 
2004-10-21 11:05:06 AM
jrodnewb

good time to plug www.taser.com just once i'd like to have the christ shocked out of me...

Two words: Not. Fun.

About ten year's back, my mom's best friend was a NY State cop who had just gotten issued a taser because she patrolled a local airport.

I bugged and bugged her, and she eventually agreed to demonstrate that it was, as I asserted, a gimmick. It wasn't, and the little barb hurt more than you'd think.

/the more you know.
 
2004-10-21 11:05:41 AM
JoeyJoJo: Yes, I'm sure she did. But after the 50,000 it probably sounded like "Aifn'g furg kin poo!"
 
2004-10-21 11:05:53 AM
 
2004-10-21 11:05:54 AM
You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a bottle of Geritol, you pull a Taser. He sends one of yours to the nursing home, you send on of his to the morgue! That's the South Carolina way.
 
2004-10-21 11:06:14 AM
no way i'd work in a nursing home without a set of brass knuckles.
 
2004-10-21 11:06:21 AM
according to our friends at TASER.com...its safe to use on people with pacemakers...phew...we can breathe easy know...knowing they can't run away from us due to their pacemaker..we can still shock the shiate outta them...

DOES THE TASER AFFECT THE HEART OR A CARDIAC PACEMAKER?


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The ADVANCED TASERs output is well below the level established as safe by the federal government in approving such devices as the electrified cattle fence. In a medical study, Dr. Robert Stratbucker tested the M26 at the University of Missouri and confirmed that the T-Wave does not interrupt the heartbeat or damage a pacemaker. Any modern pacemaker is designed to withstand electrical defibrillator pulses that are hundreds of times stronger than the ADVANCED TASERs output. The ADVANCED TASER current of 1.76 Joules is well below the 10-50 joule threshold above which cardiac ventricular fibrillation can occur.
 
2004-10-21 11:07:25 AM
Ummm, typosaurus....RTFA, that police officer has no nads.....

"I'm not going anywhere and you can't make me leave."

You'd have to be senile or just plain stupid to say that to an officer of the law...

/ [JudgeDredd] I AM THE LAW!!! [/JudgeDredd]
 
2004-10-21 11:07:33 AM
Holy crap you assholes are hardcore.

Have any of you ever been around a 75-year-old? They're not exactly in the best of shape. The woman had arthritis - I doubt she could have done any serious damage to said officer. What kind of a cop can't subdue a 75-year-old arthritic woman without having to resort to a taser? Don't they teach hand-to-hand combat any more?
 
2004-10-21 11:08:26 AM
OOBE Juan Kenobi:

They could have just told the poor woman that her friend took a walk. Those
people are farking stupid. Talk about control freaks.

With HIPPA, they are not allowed to say anything.  They are not control
freaks.

 

 
2004-10-21 11:09:09 AM
ChairmanKaga

Oldest cop trick in the book
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I think your tinfoil hat needs a fixin'
 
2004-10-21 11:09:31 AM
Ahh, police. The biggest gang on the planet. Except they are the "legal" gang.

"To protect and serve...ourselves."
 
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