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2004-10-20 10:51:20 AM
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    Students who were quoted by the press about drinking on campus and got letters from the school asking them to politely shut the hell up get letters from the school asking them to politely shut the hell up about the letters asking them to politely shut the hell up
 
2004-10-20 12:17:09 PM
If my creditors ever come after me, I'll totally bury my money in the garden.

/on purpose this time
/still a dumbass
 
2004-10-20 12:58:58 PM
Spacemarinekilla, you took a wrong turn to end up in this thread. Here's what you need to to: go back to Upcoming Street and make a left, make another left on Main Page and you'll see the thread you're looking for.
 
2004-10-20 01:17:19 PM
I'm well aware, Unfreakable. See, I made the original mistake in that thread, posting something I meant to post here. Then, to be a smartass, I came back to this thread and posted something for that thread. Hence the "/on purpose this time".
Sorry for any confusion.
 
2004-10-20 01:32:06 PM
Ever have one of those days Spacemarinekilla?
 
2004-10-20 01:34:35 PM

Shut up, JUST SHUT UP !!!



 
2004-10-20 01:36:24 PM
Universities are asshats when it comes to freedom of speech. RIT banned it's student-run newspaper because it was critical of the administration.

These sorts of things happen all the time, and it's hard for students to fight back with

a) student loans
b) lack of money
c) the Uni's holding their entire future and/or degree in it's hands
 
2004-10-20 01:37:20 PM
Some University of Colorado students who were quoted in news reports about drinking alcohol have received letters from the university criticizing them for their portrayal of campus life.

So much for freedom of speech on campus. Ah well, it's been a fact of life for years that the constitution stops at the school house door. Illegal searches, restrictions on speech, autocratic adminstrators, zany 'zero tolerance' policies....all stuff that wouldn't fly in the the 'real' world are par for the course in a school setting. So this shouldn't be any surprise.
 
2004-10-20 01:37:31 PM
My comments may be offensive to others?

Those fascists!
 
2004-10-20 01:38:34 PM
Why did they use their real names?
 
2004-10-20 01:39:34 PM
"The university ... goes to great lengths to say, 'We are the center for free expression,"'

The university ... is lying.
 
2004-10-20 01:41:11 PM
Why did they use their real names?

Why should they have had to use fake ones? The admistration can certainly disagree with the article or the way students characterize student life, but they're getting a bit freaky when they start telling students to STFU.
 
2004-10-20 01:41:35 PM
Students are students, I think it will always be this way.

I drank in my college days. I still drink. I will always drink. Print that in my community college paper if you want.
 
2004-10-20 01:45:32 PM
Hope TSG gets a copy of the letter.
 
2004-10-20 01:47:56 PM
If the administration wanted to say something, they should have posted an open letter to the campus in the paper or something. Reprimanding the individual students who were quoted - even if only verbally - is supreme asshattery.

/former fraternity pitcher-chug record holder
 
2004-10-20 01:48:05 PM
If you read the articles about CU drinking in the right column on the page, you can find a hilarious article about frat guys drawing on the kid that died at a CU fraternity a month ago. My favortie thing somebody wrote on him was: sucks to be you. Hahahahaha get it? Sucks to be a dead kid? Nice work frat guys...
 
2004-10-20 01:48:21 PM
I have a few friends that went to UC Boulder, and believe me, it was not for the academic experience. According to the Princeton Review:
#7 Their Students (Almost) Never Study Academics
#15 Lots Of Beer Parties
#9 Party Schools Parties
#16 Reefer Madness Parties
 
2004-10-20 01:49:06 PM
Good...now maybe the heathen little whippersnappers will stop drinking the devils juice while high on the drugs and doing the sex.
 
2004-10-20 01:51:23 PM
So the parents of the boozing kids are "outraged" that their offspring were sent letters. Gee, I wonder if these parents would sue the university and everyone else in sight if their son or daughter died of alcohol poisoning?
 
2004-10-20 01:55:02 PM
whats next? fark mods sending letters to submitters asking them politely to stop using split infinitives in their headlines?

/some sort of nazi
 
2004-10-20 01:55:48 PM
So should students who received this letter include it in their resumes?
 
2004-10-20 01:56:03 PM
Weaver95
Oh now you are preaching FOR free speech on campus.

/obligitory anti Weaver95 post
//Fight the good fight Weaver. :-p


I can probably support the students 95%. I am sure there is quite a drinking culture at their school. However if I were one of the other students who was having the the name of the school on my diploma dragged through the mud, I can someone support the admin for looking out for the reputation of the school.

I do wonder what the original statements by these students were however.
 
2004-10-20 01:57:35 PM
"The communique is part of CU's effort to combat a drinking culture, said Ron Stump, the vice chancellor of student affairs and author of the letters."

Combatting a perception of the drinking culture != combatting the drinking culture. Mr. Stump's aim is a bit off.

See no, hear no, speak no evil.
 
2004-10-20 01:58:30 PM
"I'm not disappointed that (the students) are upset. I'm glad they are upset. I think that is a good sign. I think that's a good sign that their parents feel the same way."

Jeebus Christ, dumb ass, they are not upset with what they said in the article, they are upset that you wrote them a farking letter critizing them for speaking their minds, and copied their parents. Fire Him Now!

Class A Assfarkinghat.
 
2004-10-20 01:58:53 PM
Hear in Madison, people get drunk a lot. The school is also very respected across the nation for its academics. Students don't make many qualms about talking about how much they drink. Rather than trying to silence students, the school provides alcohol-free alternatives to parties. I've never been, but I hear they can be fun.
 
2004-10-20 01:59:37 PM
So were they asked to be polite in the way they shut up, or were they politely asked to shut up?

/nazi for the grammatically vague.
 
2004-10-20 01:59:57 PM
OH! COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!
HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!

I never understand how it makes any sense to complain that your right to free speech is being violated when someone criticizes you for what you said. Free speech is the right to say what you want, not the right to keep others from telling you that you're a dumbass for what you said.

/Bloody peasants!
 
2004-10-20 02:01:30 PM
Oh now you are preaching FOR free speech on campus.

I have ALWAYS stood for free speech - that's why so many of the politically correct hate me.
 
2004-10-20 02:01:44 PM
I'll drink to that!
 
2004-10-20 02:02:37 PM
On NOES. They got a LETTER. Oh the HUMANITY.

Now if there's some official action besides this letter, that might be another story.
 
2004-10-20 02:02:41 PM
THE_WIZ

I couldn;t have said it better myself. Rock on.
 
2004-10-20 02:03:31 PM
I'm not completely surprised by the actions of the administrators, since image can be very important for undergraduate recruitment and courting alumni donations. The school figures that everyone knows there is drinking and partying going on, but they don't want that fact trumpeted in the media.

Hey, at least the school isn't actively trying to crack down on student drinking through the police, like some schools I've attended. Cough, cough.
 
2004-10-20 02:03:47 PM
Denver Post.

Why so many Denver Post news articles?
 
2004-10-20 02:05:25 PM
Free speech is the right to say what you want, not the right to keep others from telling you that you're a dumbass for what you said.

Which wouldn't have been a problem if the college had responded with an op-ed article or open letter of their own. But sending letters on college letterhead to individual students telling them: "I hope you realize how your portrayal in the newspaper negatively impacts so many CU students."

Well...that's sounding more like a threat than a rebuttal.
 
2004-10-20 02:05:52 PM
The students should just shut up and consider it training for when they get out into corporate America.
 
Zed
2004-10-20 02:07:37 PM
"I never understand how it makes any sense to complain that your right to free speech is being violated when someone criticizes you for what you said. Free speech is the right to say what you want, not the right to keep others from telling you that you're a dumbass for what you said."

I agree with you somewhat, but what if you talked to a reporter about the crime rate in a city you lived in. Slamming the police for not doing their job and the mayor for not doing his job. The next day you get a letter from the city saying that you are irresponsible and you should be ashamed of yourself and you've painted the town in a negative light. I'd be pretty pissed off.
 
2004-10-20 02:10:26 PM
Spacemarinekilla

Clever, minus the 'on purpose this time'
 
2004-10-20 02:11:38 PM
"Several students in the story would not comment when contacted this week."

Kudos asshat, your letter did what you wanted: chilled the students' willingness to express their opinions.

I trust that this guy has already been fired?
 
2004-10-20 02:13:17 PM
THE_WIZ

The studnets have a right to complain when the administration tells them to shut up. Especialy after telling the truth about life on campus.
 
2004-10-20 02:13:36 PM
It's not like they got drunk the night before Open House and passed out in front of the campus center with 10 friends like certain Fark Liters named harrinkw......oops. I mean, uh, look a cow.

/runs
 
2004-10-20 02:14:54 PM
Students drinking? University figures making pointless actions to give the appearance of "cracking down"? Wow, college has changed.
 
2004-10-20 02:16:45 PM
Zed That's likely to happen, but it isn't violating your rights unless and until they act to curb your rights in response.

Fark me, I'm agreeing with Weaver95.
 
2004-10-20 02:17:19 PM
The college admins better play it straight with the named students from here on out. The students have one HELL of a basis for a bias lawsuit for the duration of their stay at the school.
 
2004-10-20 02:18:43 PM
Screw that.

You can say whatever you want, as long as quickly mutter "none of this was true" at the end of whatever it was you were saying.

works for credit card / car / drug companies in their commercials all the time.
 
Zed
2004-10-20 02:18:49 PM
"Zed That's likely to happen, but it isn't violating your rights unless and until they act to curb your rights in response."

I'm not so sure. It might be considered harrassment. The story in the paper was in a public forum, but to have the school (or in my example city) personally sending letters that basically slap their wrists is turning it into a personal attack.
 
2004-10-20 02:20:40 PM
CU has some image problems. Highly ranked party school. Football players recruited with booze/stripper/sex parties.

So what's their response when someone investigates the partying? "Shhh - don't tell anyone".

What kind of an attitude is that? "If people don't know that students die from alcohol poisoning or that our football players rape women, then we don't have a problem" ????

Step One in dealing with a problem is admitting there is a problem. Sounds like CU is still in the denial phase. This is about how they "handled" all the rape allegations against the football team.
 
2004-10-20 02:22:25 PM
Maybe those students should have been in their designated "Free Speech" zones.....

/Hmmmm
 
2004-10-20 02:23:19 PM
"The communiqu is part of CU's effort to combat a drinking culture, said Ron Stump, the vice chancellor of student affairs and author of the letters."


Which translates roughly to:

"Our schools are loaded with alcoholics some of whom die from drinking. We plan to do almost nothing about this because these people pay the bills but we are damned sick being reminded of that."
 
2004-10-20 02:26:56 PM
My college did this too. A small, namby pamby liberal arts college. The school newspaper released an issue about violence on campus. (the gay house had poo dumped on their vehicle) That was on parents week.

One of the higher-ups on campus didnt like it, and puttered around, picking up every issue she could find, and hid them in her office.

Of course, the entire school was in an uproar, and, next week, the paper asked for her resignation.

I cant remember if she resigned.
 
2004-10-20 02:29:16 PM
I completely agree with Zed. That was a pretty darn good example using city for the campus.

Hey, a campus is like a little city.

Also, I believe the school would not say whether or not this letter made into their school records file. My bet, if there is communication to student from school, it definitely is in their file!

Also, what's up with sending letters to people who are of legal age to drink... and their parents... that's just messed up!
 
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