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2004-10-18 01:24:22 PM
hillbillypharmacist

He's using our money, but does that mean he has to do whatever we want him to do, even his what opposition wants? I would have to guess that taxpayer election funds are a drop in the bucket compared to campaign contributions.

This was a dinner party. You needed a ticket (invitation) to get in. These chicks just got uninvited really fast.

Democrats would never do this, right?
 
2004-10-18 01:24:27 PM
I think the new twenty first century man -- the one who will look you in the eye and lie to you like a man -- will be re-elected. And, when he's done, I don't think we're going to have any more baseball.

i wasn't really sure who you were referring to until i saw 're-elected'. they're both wild liars.

but that's fine. i don't like baseball anyway.
 
2004-10-18 01:26:21 PM
"Well, at least when he was the front office figurehead for a baseball team he was man enough to admit to his mistakes.
I think the new twenty first century man -- the one who will look you in the eye and lie to you like a man -- will be re-elected. And, when he's done, I don't think we're going to have any more baseball."

So why doesn't he admit his mistakes now? Are you telling me Bush has not made mistake one in his four years?
Am I to assume you think Bush has not looked us in the eye and lied? Please, tell me "yes", so I can open a HUGE can of whoop-ass to the contrary.
 
2004-10-18 01:28:00 PM


Bush 254 - Kerry 220 (64 for grabs)

Sorry, Kerry is NOT winning the EV.
 
2004-10-18 01:28:51 PM
Every time I read something like this, I am reminded of the words of another dangerous radical.

"Those who are willing to surrender personal freedom for temporary safety, deserve neither."
Ben Franklin

Bush is going to be reelected, make no mistake about it. And the farker above who said America will deserve what its gets is absolutely right.
 
2004-10-18 01:29:27 PM
He's using our money, but does that mean he has to do whatever we want him to do, even his what opposition wants? I would have to guess that taxpayer election funds are a drop in the bucket compared to campaign contributions.

he doesn't have to do whatever we want, or whatever democrats want.
it does have to be open enough so that women with tickets to the event wearing utterly neutral t-shirts won't be kicked out.

and like i said, up to $20mil. public funds. what are the republicans up to? like $300mil? it's not most by any stretch, but i wouldn't call it a drop in the bucket, either. ~7%.
 
2004-10-18 01:30:02 PM
whoa_momma

Of course, you have different electoral vote maps...

In yours FL is already given to Bush, in his, Florida is still up for grabs...

Who's spinning what now?
 
2004-10-18 01:32:04 PM
 
2004-10-18 01:32:13 PM
I guess I must have missed it when they added the 28th Amendment to the Constitution... the one which bars anyone person with a dissenting thought from attending any public gathering where at least one prominent political person of a given persuasion is present. I guess "heckling" will now become a Captial Offense... how is the job scene for accountants in Manitoba???
 
2004-10-18 01:32:30 PM
whoa_mamma


Democrats would never do this, right?


well, that seems to be the general jist, at least this year.
it doesn't appear that the left side of the fence is demanding loyalty oaths, or escorting owners of opposition signs/shirts from campaign stops this year. there has been asshattery from the spectators (on both sides) but it doesn't appear there is the same concerted effort to hide dissent from the kerry camp this year.

how...is this escaping you?
 
2004-10-18 01:33:46 PM
whoa_momma

your map also has arkansas as a red state. it should be white. polls have been within 1% for the last few weeks, and considering massive voter registration, arkansas will likely be blue this election.
 
2004-10-18 01:35:30 PM
Has anyone asserted that they were there to support the president? Cause when you say "Oregon Teachers, incl a 48 year old student teacher..." That's not the image I get.

This was a rally for Bush.

If you go to a basketball game you don't get your turn at the mike to talk about how great you think baseball is.

They weren't arrested, they were asked to leave. Its not like they were knocked to ground and put in a patented Al Franken headlock.
 
2004-10-18 01:36:43 PM
tmim16:

"Patricia mendoza gets arrested by the secret service during clinton's administration for saying "you suck" and noone cares. Bush's people threaten to have people arrested and "OMG OMG Bush hates freedom!"

Listen I'm for freedom of speech just as much as the next guy, I just hate hypocrosy(sp?). You people talk about how great a president Clinton was, but when Bush does the same thing he is evil.

They shouldn't have thrown those ladies out, I'll agree, but quit letting your bias dictate your thought. You people argue so much about such bullshiat it is insane."


What you either fail to realize or willfully forget is that this kind of thing happens and has happened frequently, almost ALL of the time with the current Administration.

What you allege under Clinton may have happened, but it was hardly a routine occurence (as we see here) and was rather isolated, IMHO. Plus, you're being a tool for even mentioning the old "but X did it too!"

mouser:

"These women were obviously up to something that would've provoked their getting tossed, and it wouldn't be for wearing an innocuous t-shirt. We don't know what it was because it's doubtful the media would be willing to dig it up when it's more in tune with their political leanings to swallow the women's story uncritically."

Oh, it was obvious, was it? That they were 'up to something'? Yeah, you're damn right "we don't know" but you're all ready to come to a conclusion that fits your ideology. Based on what WAS written, which follows a very scary trend that is most certainly NOT speculative, this action is NOT what America stands for.

"Not lying, merely pointing out that not all the facts are in play here, and using logic to deduce what they most likely are."

Right, the facts aren't all in play here. But that apparently doesn't stop you from 'using logic' to 'deduce' what they likely are. That's some interesting logic you have there. Let's see, invited with tickets, wearing a shirt that says something most any American would and should stand for.

Yep, given the facts we know, I can certainly see how they necessarily and absolutely had to be up to no good. Tool.
 
2004-10-18 01:40:38 PM
Not terribly on topic--

Why I dont believe the polls:

Throughout this campaign, the polls have indicated that this nation is nearly equally split on its choice for president. While I have continually seen these numbers, I just cannot believe that they are accurate.
This disbelief is for a multitude of reasonstechnical and gut feeling both. On the technical side, one only has to see how polling is actually done to see how affected polls are by the biases and feelings of the poll taker. Polling is NOT a science. Polls results can be affected by the wording of questions, the tone of the poll taker and even the order the questions are asked. The margin of error that is quoted with these polls does not take into account the effects of these types of systemic influences. That number is merely a statistical calculation based on sample size vs. the voting population of the US.
There are other issues in poll taking that raise concernsThe first is the selection of the sample group. Many polls post results of likely voters. But these likely voters are determined by a series of questions about voting behavior that do not necessarily predict future voting behaviorespecially in a year with as much political heat as this one. Some polls dial random phone numbers for their participants, others dial only listed phone numbers. This difference in sample group can have a systematic effect on the results, since having a listed phone number would exclude more transient portions of the population, like college students, for example. And, lastly, most polls renormalize their data off of previous electionsand since the 2000 election was one of the most closely contested in recent years, it would follow that the predictions for 2004 are similarly close.
On the gut feeling side, I find it almost impossible to believe that we as a nation do not see an obvious course of action in this upcoming election. I, like many citizens, was only marginally concerned about the outcome of the 2000 election. While I did favor Gore, I felt that the alternative was acceptable, if uninspiring. George W. Bush seemed to be a moderate, like his father, and I saw little difference between an uninspiring moderate democrat and an uninspiring moderate republican.
Immediately after the 9/11 attacks, I remember being happy that Bush was in power, if for no other reason than I felt the republicans were slightly more likely to go out an kick some Queda ass. However, since that time my impression of this administration has steadily fallen. It seems every day some new news comes in that erodes my faith in this president and his cabinet: Abu Graib, Valerie Plame, the WMD debacle, their shifting rationalization of the Iraq war, Ashcrofts fundamentalism, looting of museums, nuclear plants and ammo depots, the torture memo, deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan, Pakistans selling of nuclear secrets, Bushs position on stem cell research, the selling of the Iraq reconstruction, the imperceptible pace of that reconstruction, sending troops into battle without body armor then blaming Kerry for not supporting a bill after they were already there, dirty political tricks like the swiftboat vets (as well as what was done to McCain in 2000), Cheneys quickly refuted untruths in the vice presidential debate (this is the first time Ive met you), the erosion of our international alliances, immature France-baiting (freedom fries), secret-service screening of audience members at Bush rallies as well as at official, non-campaign events, the lack of tolerance of this Whitehouse for any dissention in their ranks (i.e. ONeill), etc. etc. etc.
While any one of these news items can be spun to seem innocuous, the sheer volume of these events adds up to a pattern of dissembling, incompetence and dangerous ideology. I just simply cannot believe that nearly one half of this nation does not see the same problems with continuing the term of this president.
It seems to me that the Bush campaign should be completely ineffective against someone who keeps up on current events. It seems that every attack that they launch against Kerrys policies can be turned around in spades on them: Flip-flop? Look at the justifications for Iraq, Bushs position on nation-building, the 9-11 commission, etc. Fiscally irresponsible? Look at the deficitand keep in mind that we cut taxes during a war to get it where it is. Weak leadership? Look at how divided this nation is under Bushs watch. Soft on terror? Diverting our active war on Al Queda and the Taliban for a chimera in Iraq was a huge boon to the terrorists.
Doesnt anyone out there realize that the one million jobs in the last thirteen months that the Bush campaign is claiming is nowhere near enough to match the replacement rate of 150,000 jobs per month. That this is actually BAD news? Dont people find is suspicious that shadowy groups or individuals suddenly pop up to slander Bushs opponents in his campaigns since he ran for Governor of Texas?
It seems to me that there should be a substantial group of traditional republicans out there who feel let down by this administration. That his handling of the economy is miserable, and that he has abandoned the fiscal responsibility their party espouses. That he has substantially weakened our world standing by his reckless approach to foreign policy. That the neo-conservative ideology of his administration has had disastrous effects in Iraq and troubling effects at home. That the political gamesmanship of his campaign has stained their party.
I believe that many of these traditional republicans would be holding their noses when they vote this year. And I truly feel that many of them will do what is right for the country and vote against this president. I also feel that, rightly or wrongly, enough anger has survived from the electoral fiasco in the 2000 election that the democratic base will turn out in record numbers and record new democratic voters will be registering their voice.
Maybe I am nave, maybe I am fooling myselfbut I have never been so sure about a political decision ever in my life. I know what it feels like to know with absolute certainty that the wrong man is in office. And I just cant believe that the polls seem to indicate that nearly half of the nation feels differently.
 
2004-10-18 01:43:25 PM
Skleenar:

For future reference, please intersperse hugely long comments with paragraphs.

It makes for MUCH more interesting reading. As is, people are going to scroll right on by.
 
2004-10-18 01:45:28 PM
A true patriot always questions the actions of their leaders.
 
2004-10-18 01:47:07 PM
He is a uniter, not a divider. This isn't just empty rhetoric. He has worked very hard with his national campaign staffers to make sure that overzelous local staffers don't do this kind of thing again.


That's why they've stopped signing loyalty oaths now isn't it.

oh wait...
 
2004-10-18 01:47:35 PM
The people who are pointing out the Democrats attacking Bush/Cheney supporters are not getting it.

If it was the POLICE attacking or harrassing the Bush/Cheney folks, then you would have something to piss about.

Three women, were hassled for their T shirts, which were, by all means, patriotic. Another one was hassled for saying "No." Hassled by officials of law enforcement, not just Republican supporters.

Democratic voters are not equal to Officers of the law.

/Get up, gear up, fall in. It's almost time to win back the United States.
/del.
 
2004-10-18 01:52:47 PM
i hear you, skleenar

i think the polls are generally bogus as well.

-no polling of those with cell phones. 5% of households use cell phones only, 15% of those under age 24 use one exclusively. a CNN report

-no polling of new registrants. this'll be a turnout election.
 
2004-10-18 01:53:02 PM
Skleenar:

I really hope you are correct. However, I've talked to a number of Americans who are intelligent people.

They have bought hook, line and sinker into the flip-flop issue and yet they don't see that Bush also flip-flops.

They buy into the fear that the Bush administration has perpetuated and they feel that the black and white world-view of Bush is more likely to be able to protect us. Missing the fact that the world is a far more dangerous place than it was before the war with Iraq.

They believe the spin about items like the topic (supposedly) of this thread. Unfortunately, not seeing what you and I both see that the "pattern of dissembling, incompetence and dangerous ideology" shows that this administration should not be re-elected.


I do have some hopes that the polls are incorrect by a little bit, because more people are likely to vote, and also because people who use cell-phone exclusively are not being polled.

But I'm not counting on it, and I do have serious fears that 4 more years of Bush will end the United States as we have known it.
 
2004-10-18 01:53:21 PM
FYI, you can start voting today in many, if not all states. Vote early and avoid the election day chaos/idiocy.
 
2004-10-18 01:54:00 PM
Bush isn't violently strangling Freedom to death. They're just having a friendly wrestle!

 
2004-10-18 01:55:24 PM
*still no response as to why event coordinators assumed "protect our civil liberties" is disruptive to Republican event...
 
2004-10-18 01:56:03 PM
All of those red states in the map above suck ASS! Who would wanna live in any of them? Backwards, redneck, Christian fundamentalist nutjobs living in sexually repressed, art-deprived, racist, sexist, homophobic boring states with nothing to do but bang their own cousins.

I hope you aren't including the white-with-a-pink-border states in this statement! Virginia is actually quite nice; hopefully we can gather momentum and actually become a swing state. The Republican party has been HUGE here for decades...
 
2004-10-18 01:59:13 PM
Why do these teachers hate the Soviet Union?? err.. oops I mean the United States.
 
2004-10-18 01:59:17 PM
'TheNewJesus
God damn the president.'

I think this embodies all that we dislike about our youth.
 
2004-10-18 02:04:32 PM
thegrammarpolice
I hope you aren't including the white-with-a-pink-border states in this statement! Virginia is actually quite nice; hopefully we can gather momentum and actually become a swing state. The Republican party has been HUGE here for decades...

As a Virginian, I think I can safely say that the state is and will be firmly in the Bush camp this time around. In between the military/defense families in the northern half and the Bible Belters in the southern half, the Democrats don't stand a chance here.
 
2004-10-18 02:04:32 PM
Here's an interesting image from today:

Kerry 318
Bush 220


Now look at this map carefully... It's actually the projected final, not today's actual map. Now, why am I posting it?

Because Republicans keep posting it, and it's disingenuous in the extreme. Today, it displays data that doesn't look very good for your boy George, and I'm hoping a few of you will take the time to tear this image apart and slaughter any and all logic behind the conclusion that this map accurately represents how the vote is actually likely to go.

And in so doing, destroy any vestigial reasons for using this map yourselves.
 
2004-10-18 02:08:39 PM
ArbitraryConstant

Americans: If you want to come to Canada, we'd love to have you. Wanting to leave the US over stuff like this is strong evidence that you're not an asshat.


Well, I have voted Kerry and will wait to see what happens first. If the Chimp takes the election I have a plan.

First Step: Apply for Political Assylum in Norway and Sweden on the grounds I have a brain and Im afraid thinking will get me killed in the "USA."

If that does not work: Beg my Canadien X-Girlfriend to marry me. If that works Im off to Whistler to try to get a job and a place up there. The winter olympics are up there in 2010 so that could be the best idea.

Final plan: My friend in Jamaica said I can hide in Kingston for as long as I need. This is last-ditch but I like the Jamaicans, so it wouldnt be that bad.

Of course I would worry about my family that did not escape, but its important to get out early. I wouldnt be surprised if Bush tried to somehow prevent the massive exodus that would follow his second coup in 5 years. Be ready for anything. Arm yourself as it is your right. REMEMBER IT IS YOUR CONSTITUTIONAl DUTY to UPRISE, VIOLENTLY IF NECESSARY to protect our liberties. Dont be scared, fear is what Bush wants you to feel. If you are scared, Bush has already won.
 
2004-10-18 02:08:42 PM
Can I wear my 'makin' bacon' shirt to a Bush rally? It has a picture two cartoon pigs humping on it.
 
2004-10-18 02:10:42 PM
whoa_mamma

That map is flawed. Florida is still a toss up (some polls even have Kerry in the lead). PA is leaning Democrat. Ohio is also leaning Democrat. Numerous polls put Kerry in a 4 to 5 point lead there.

The election will come down to who can pickup 2 of 3 above states, and one or two others.
 
2004-10-18 02:13:40 PM
Kerry winning because if bush is elected the draft will return.
 
2004-10-18 02:14:04 PM
If Bush gets re-elected, on behalf of all Canadians I would like to welcome all Americans who wish to move to Canada. You keep crossing the border, we'll keep welcoming you.

Just give your guns to the border officer.
 
2004-10-18 02:16:11 PM
i think the election will actually come down to who can convince America which party has the least asshat for a candidate.
Now, with the past four years, the conclusion should be obvious...if not for those brilliant spin doctors Rove and company.
 
2004-10-18 02:16:55 PM
now im off to get a falafel...
 
2004-10-18 02:18:01 PM
If you go to a basketball game you don't get your turn at the mike to talk about how great you think baseball is

Bad analogy. When you go to a basketball game and you are supporting the visiting team by wearing their colors and cheering for them, you typically don't get asked to leave. In fact, most stadiums, arenas, etc... have a vistitors section.

Try again.
 
2004-10-18 02:18:42 PM
I'd love for this event to garner as much attention as Old Lady Cheney's indignant response to Kerry's reference to her daughter!

How can the Bush/Cheney diabolical duo be supported by half the country?

I'm going to watch Stewart's performance on Crossfire again, I need some hope for the future.
 
2004-10-18 02:18:56 PM
Republicans hate anyone who doesn't agree with them

Republican attacked and kicked a female anti-bush protester at the RNC.

You have to sign a document saying you will vote for bush to attend one of his rallies

Republicans Vandalize DNC Hq

Republicans Burn a mans fence down for having a Kerry Sign in his yard

Republicans smash someone windshield for having a K/E Bumper sticker on his car

Republicans destroy over 1 million voter registration forms that are filled out by democrats

Republicans arrest 3 teachers who are against bush

Republicans rob a DNC Hqs computer

Republicans vandalize houses and cars with K/E signs and stickers

Republicans attack pro-Kerry people at a Texas university

Republicans spit on decorated war vets who support Kerry

Need I go on?
 
2004-10-18 02:21:05 PM
It's funny how many of you invoking 1984 obviosly haven't read it carefully. Hint: it isn't a critique of, attack on or rejection of capitalism or any other sociopolitical predilection associated with Americans in general or Republicans specifically. Get off it.
 
2004-10-18 02:21:13 PM
We've come full circle. Our country has become what our founding fathers despised and rebelled against. King George the Second has ran every election the same - with a lack of integrity and restraint utlizing any measure to win at all costs. His campaign made this election dirty - the Democrats simply lowered themselves to his standards because unfortunitely that is the only way to win. That in itself says a lot about our collective consciousness as a country (very farking ignorant).

/durka durka weapons of mass deestruction. durka durka turrorists durka durka evil-doers.
 
2004-10-18 02:22:17 PM
As a Virginian, I think I can safely say that the state is and will be firmly in the Bush camp this time around. In between the military/defense families in the northern half and the Bible Belters in the southern half, the Democrats don't stand a chance here.

Oh, I know in THIS election the Bush-ers will carry the state. I was thinking in the long term. Hope for the future and all that.

I keep thinking that if I just try to reason with one person at a time, maybe common sense will get somewhere.
 
2004-10-18 02:26:12 PM
It's obvious you're an America-hating liberal.

/sarcasm doesn't transfer well to text
 
2004-10-18 02:27:49 PM
Go ahead and keep posting polls, charts, etc...perpetuating the moronic spin of all this.

What will really matter is what the newly registered voters do. Call me crazy, but somehow I don't think the 30% rise in voter registration in my county (or any other county with a substantial increase) can be attributed to energized Bush supporters. Of course, Republicans are so good at throwing minorities' votes away, let's see what they'll resort to this time around.

This president is a disgrace...
 
2004-10-18 02:28:18 PM
Eskimo50: If Bush gets re-elected, on behalf of all Canadians I would like to welcome all Americans who wish to move to Canada. You keep crossing the border, we'll keep welcoming you.

Thanks for the invite, but you have it backward. We need more Canadians to move here. If all clear-thinking, progressive minded people bail out, what will be left? We need a massive influx of educated, critical-thinking people and we need them now, soon, so you can become naturalized and help us vote these cretins out of office. We need you guys to help pull us out of this slow and steady slide downward into the neocon quicksand. So I cordially, humbly, desperately turn the tables on you to invite you and your Canadian brethren to move here... and quick. Please!

And I promise, we won't make fun of your accent. ;^)
 
Bf+
2004-10-18 02:30:31 PM
Oooohh...
"durka" durka durka..

Durka durka!
 
2004-10-18 02:31:03 PM
Wait, wait, any minute now he's gonna promise me a shiny new yacht.
 
2004-10-18 02:34:51 PM
It's the conservatives that hate what America stands for - they twist the constitution to fit what benefits their beliefs (such as the second amendment) and ignore the rest (such as the first amendment).

The very idea that America was founded on was freedom and liberty on all levels. Instead we have intimidation by the Republicans, stupid laws contrived from Christian beliefs / morals, and the "Patriot" Act.


> It's obvious you're an America-hating liberal.
 
2004-10-18 02:35:14 PM
If you go to a basketball game you don't get your turn at the mike to talk about how great you think baseball is.


Uhhh yeah, but you're allowed to rot for whatever team you want!

Duh...
 
2004-10-18 02:37:31 PM
For some reason, Bush wants Nevada bad. He's been to Reno twice this year, and I don't remember how many times he's been to Vegas.

Kerry has an opportunity to take Nevada though. Bush supports that whole "turn Yucca Mountain into a nuclear dump" idea, and Kerry has said repeatedly that he opposes it. (He's said it enough times that he has to follow through if he gets elected) Most Nevadans don't want nuclear waste sitting less than a hundred miles from the most populous city in the state. Not to mention the state's primary source of income.

Though how much those 5 electoral votes matter....
 
2004-10-18 02:37:34 PM
re : 'If all clear-thinking, progressive minded people bail out, what will be left?'

A tyranical police state, of course.

Which is the goal/objective of the current administration and the natural evolution of nanny-state democracy all throughout history.

First job of the Reich was to get rid of the intelligentsia. Same as BushCo.
 
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