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(Eugene Register-Guard)   College student dies of LSD overdose, manslaughter charges to be filed against party-thrower   (registerguard.com) divider line 325
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2004-10-18 08:26:54 AM  
Button, button, whos got the button?
 
2004-10-18 08:36:45 AM  
I tried this stuff for the first time this Feburary. It did a nasty number on me and I ended up suffering from panic attacks for a month or so following it.

But it was my choice to do it and I dont regret it.

Horrible yet fantastic at the sametime.
 
2004-10-18 08:39:02 AM  
From Lars The Canadian Viking's link...

the largest operable LSD laboratory in agency history, as well as 91 pounds of LSD and precursor compounds for the potential manufacture of nearly 27 pounds more.

ummm wow... just wow, I can't imagine that much...
 
2004-10-18 08:44:04 AM  
i got dosed at a party last year. first i thought i had food poisoning, as i was crapping and throwing up for about an hour. when that was over, i was talking to my sister-in-law, and told her that her hat was moving kind of strangely. realizing that hats don't move normally, let alone strangely, then seeing that the lights behind her also looked a little funny, i remembered the old nasty, horrific feeling of being on synthetic drugs, a feeling i'd not had in over a decade). i spent the next 30 hours tripping balls (from my prior experience, i knew it must've been a huge dose). i was also fantisizing about the many ways i would kill and dismember the asshole who'd done this to me. let's just say he's very farking lucky i didn't figure it out until the next day. god knows what i would have done. acid sucks.
 
2004-10-18 08:46:08 AM  
i can easily see how a massive dose of lsd could cause major physiological problems. not an o.d., per se, but severe panic and fear, which has been known to cause shut-downs of human systems.
 
2004-10-18 08:48:44 AM  
sift, "ld50" is the quantity that will be lethal to approximately 50% of the test subjects.
 
2004-10-18 08:54:57 AM  
Belspar good SLC Punk reference.. favorite movie ever.
 
2004-10-18 08:55:05 AM  
Not sure about this, I may have heard it while tripping my bollocks off once, but isn't vitamin C one of the only ways to at least take the edge off acid? If true, why take it with orange juice?!
 
2004-10-18 09:00:11 AM  
envoy, i'd always heard that vitamin c was an enhancer. but it's probably all b.s.
 
2004-10-18 09:00:34 AM  
I only ever took 4 hits (blotter) at one time and have seen friends take up to 10. So I dunno if it's possible to OD. I have only heard anticdotal stories of people taking a sheet (100 doses of blotter) and spending a week in a semi-comatose state but no lasting damage and certainly never death.

Although the first time I dosed I thought I was 3 inches tall and was trying to walk under an oncoming car, fortunatly I was with friends who moved me out of the way.

I did have a friend who thought he could fly after taking shrooms though. Fortunatly he discovered that he could not from a 2nd story and not from a 3rd or greater.
 
2004-10-18 09:00:40 AM  
Should have gotten UNLIKELY tag. There's no known lethal dose of LSD, and it takes only a few molecules (enough to fit on a blotter square) to work. The "LSD is cut with strychnine" rumors are crap -- this has never happened, it makes no economic sense. Acid is cheaper to make than buying strychnine. And you can't soak enough strychnine into a blotter to hurt even a child.

so there's something else going on here.
 
2004-10-18 09:11:11 AM  
I know squat about acid, but my issue is this...she willingly took the drugs so why is he getting farked on manslaughter charges, the way I see it, it's suicide.
 
2004-10-18 09:12:26 AM  
You people are absolutely farking amazing.

Someone *dies* doing the shiat, someone is in prison for it, and best you can do is explain it all away?

"bullshiat man, I do a ton of drugs and that never happened to me"

I'm sure that's true Ozzy...see ya in the morgue...if not next week then long before your time.

"I'm an expert drug user and that never happened to any of my friends, and even if it did, I know how to manage it"

Nice that you have your medical degree...oh wait you don't do you? Say, you know...if you took all that time you've spent "studying" recreational drug use and becoming such an "expert", and applied it to something constructive, say building a real life, maybe, just maybe, you wouldn't need to escape your current one quite so often...hmmm?

Look, back the early 70s people figured out LSD was bad news and stopped doing it. Some lucky farks survived the experience, get all sentimental now about how good it all was back then, and decide to wax poetically about it. People read/listen to the bullshiat sentimentality, and ignore the truth, and feel like they have to go through the hallucinations, long term damage, and very real possibility of accidential death too. Why? To be closer to their loser "heroes"?

Stop it. If not for yourself, then those you love. If not for them, how about so I don't have to read about you drinking LSD-laced Kool-aid and deciding you're a farking bird and can soar off a 20 story building and end up landing on to the roof of someone's car.

--h
 
2004-10-18 09:16:03 AM  
hdhale: If you hate acid, why willingly go to a thread that you KNOW will have anecdotes about it's use? Nowhere else to put up your soap box today?
 
2004-10-18 09:18:08 AM  
Serves, 'em right, stupid f*cking hippies.
 
2004-10-18 09:26:06 AM  
Last time I did acid I ended up in the Mecklenburg County jail for 9 hours. There we were, laughing our asses off and having a great old time at 3:00 am when all of a sudden there were 6 cops in my apartment. Neighbor had said I was beating a woman. There were no females in the room, but there was a few dozen pot seeds laying around. They busted me for the seeds and since I was new to town I had to stay in jail until someone bailed me out.

I will tell you, tripping in jail sucks bigtime. Nothing like being in a room made for 4 but filled with 11 big black men. Once they learned I was tripping they left me alone though. Even gave me the top bunk bed. I guess it was due to when they asked "You're on acid now?" "Yep" "You're not going to freak out and kill us all are you?" "I hope not". They were really nice after that.

Anyway, I quit after that. But the Crab Orchard Kooks still tell stories of the guy who ate more acid than any one else. In my day I could eat 5 hits a day like it was nothing. Even took a quarter sheet once. I didn't die. I did see an entire universe in a crack in the wall and spent a lot of time in there saving the galaxy from evil. But I did eventually return to normal, whatever that is. I miss the days of power trips and cartoonland. Growing up sucks balls sometimes.
 
2004-10-18 09:26:12 AM  
i'm late and i didn't read all the comments... but i'm glad i'm not the only one who read the post and said bs. 12 tabs? most you're gonna do is something stupid and get yourself killed, lsd is not gonna kill you, but if you're out for a walk and see a shooting star coming your way it's probably the train that killed you. i can't count how much i did about 7-8 years ago when it was easy to come by and thus quite inexpensive. i knew someone who "saw jesus" and was urged by him to finish taking all the other tabs he had at the time, well he just had an extended hospital stay while he was monitored because he was trippin' for quite a long time. no physical harm came from it and psycologically i couldn't tell a difference... lsd is however, not for those with a weak mind.

my guess is heart attack from a massive anxiety attack or dehydration from the more than likely consumed alcohol thrown in the mix.
 
2004-10-18 09:28:56 AM  
hdhale,
There's no need for anyone here to explain this away, because it has been countless times before every time lsd and overdose has appeared in print in the same sentence. The death, by whatever cause, was tragic, but so is the very blatant attempt to captialize on it to score a point for the war on drugs, which continues to claim a lot more innocent victims than this one. Where's your moral outrage about that?
Oh, that's right, it doesn't cater to your contempt of hippies. Carry on.
 
2004-10-18 09:35:43 AM  
****
I flatlined 5 times from taking bad LSD. I had a heart rate of 190 beats per minute. Every muslce in my body tensed up to the point I couldn't move from the fetal position. I was brought to the hospital and they had to come and get from the car with a wheelchair becuase I couldn't walk. I freaked the fark out! They gave me 800mg of Demarol and 200mg of Valium to bring me down to earth again. The kicker was that I had been doing LSD for over 2 years and at the time I was taking 3 hits at a time. This time I had only taken 1 1/2 hits and was peaking 15 mins into it. I had some of the wierdest visuals in my life, but it was pretty scary that my heart was literally pounding so hard my chest looked unreal as it heaved up and down. I was defibulated 5 times to bring me back after the flatlines. After that incident I never took LSD again. It totally wrecked my self-esteem even to this day. I have flashbacks once in a while but only when its really dark. LSD is farked up no matter how safe you like it is.
 
2004-10-18 09:37:08 AM  
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2004-10-18 09:45:48 AM  
hdhale
I understand your indignation at the way in which this horde of drug experimenters are expressing their disbelief at what has happened. But the fact of the matter is their incoherent ramblings about their haydays of psychoactive experimentation are largely supported by all exsisting medical evidence, reports of deaths resulting form LSD consumption are non-exsistent. The best thing to note would be Klock, Boerner, Becker: Coma, hyperthermia, and bleeding associated with massive LSD overdose: A report of eight cases. Clinical Toxicology 8:191, 1975. These patients snorted 2 lines EACH of 80-90% pure crystaline LSD, corresponding to at least 30mg (almost certainly more), this would be the equivalent of 100 of the strongest LSD doses ever confiscated (and thus tested), and more like 300 doses of high-quality LSD, the majority of LSD seen in the past decade hovers around the 50 microgram mark, which would mean 600 doses. That's a good $3000 worth of LSD at street prices. These patients suffered badly, they entered comas, similar to the way in which all animal deaths occured. But they were endotracheally intubated and kept alive at the hospital, and essential came out of the worst of it after 14 hours. With all that happened in the 60's, when doses in the 300 microgram range were being confiscated, this story does seem a bit hard to believe. We'll all see if this is some new discovery of certain individuals who are ultra-sensitive to LSD at a later date, but all the evidence we have so far indicates otherwise.
 
2004-10-18 09:48:19 AM  
Although I havent done it in a long time, when i used to back in college, I would always have horrbile back pains the next day. Some said that was due to the amount of Strychnine that was used in that partiular hit. Thr trips were great but the next day I always dreaded...

/now sticks with beer and cigs....
 
2004-10-18 09:50:33 AM  
Inigo

When you said you smelled ... purple, I laughed.

Because I can hear the color yellow. Yep, you read that right. I can hear yellow. I have what's called synesthesia. I can also hear baked beans, I know what the color green tastes like (it's cold and sweet with a tangy aftertaste). I also see time in 3-D. And I see numbers in 3-D as well -- I have my own helix.

When I was in elementary school, it took me a LONG time to do math, as I would have to pluck the numbers off my helix in my head to be able to use them. You can only imagine how stressful it was for me.

And of course, the part of math/subtraction where you 'borrow' --- didn't go over so well with me. At the end of the process, I kept asking the teacher when we were going to 'give it back'. Because I was always taught when you borrow something, you MUST return it. She insisted that we didn't give it back -- so I said "That's stealing!" And I refused to do it. My Mom had to be called in and everything. The teacher finally changed the word for me -- to 'sharing'. She told me to share, while everyone else borrowed. It worked.

/Don't need no stinkin' LSD.
 
2004-10-18 09:51:30 AM  
I have traveled with over 30 hits of liquid LSD at a time and never had any problems. I was experimenting with it immensly for about a year when I increased my dosage to 30 hits at a time. I have drank and smoked and done other chemical simultaneously and I am still here and highly functional eventhough I'm on Fark right now. This kid died because of something else. Possibly a heart attack or some elevated heart rate cause. Not because of LSD. It is Impossible to OD, not to mention LSD isnt cut with anything except water. The Stricnine(sp?) myth is due to the surface of the paper blotter oxidizing. Stricnine is basically identicle to LSD, molecularly except it has an extra O2 molecule attached to it hence the oxidization of the LSD. Thats why if you must trip, take liquid.

/off to hang out with the pink elephants!!
 
2004-10-18 09:53:06 AM  
Link to story (hopefully)

http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=40078

Or go to Bluelight.nu, Drugs in the media section.
 
2004-10-18 09:53:33 AM  
kr0m0z0ne

Mis-type? 50 micrograms is about half a dose of LSD. Maybe you meant 50 milligrams.
 
2004-10-18 09:56:03 AM  
you can NOT die from lsd...and like someone mentioned...unless you're an elephant...but even those experiments were a bit off.....


there is NO LD50 in humans!
 
2004-10-18 09:58:12 AM  
and no Webgrunt

"kr0m0z0ne

Mis-type? 50 micrograms is about half a dose of LSD. Maybe you meant 50 milligrams."

the average dose of lsd is 50-100ug that would be 50-100 MICROGRAMS!
 
2004-10-18 10:09:07 AM  
I stuck a Hit of Orange Barrel up my butt once and saw God !!
/Got Nuttin but an Orange skid
 
2004-10-18 10:12:23 AM  
It's lame that he gets hit with man slaughter after her parents are the ones that took her off the farking life support.

I remember a guy I knew talking about how a friend of his would eat SHEETS of the stuff and then just stare at the wall for hours upon hours. That girl should have watched her drink - my guess is she was slipped something and what ever it was combined with booze (and acid?) sent her off the edge.
 
2004-10-18 10:12:56 AM  

I call bullshiat.

I went to high school with a guy who accidentally took over 200 hits when dumping a spray bottle of 'water' on himself. He's still walking around. Of course, he spent some time in the haha house, and he scares children now, but he is alive.

One of my friends in college had a cat that got into a rather large vial of liquid LSD and licked up almost all of it. Sure, the cat was never quite the same, but it did survive. Over the years, it also ate at least a pound of weed.

The point is, whatever killed this person, it wasn't the LSD. Sounds like some Ashcroft-inspired resurrected LSD Boogeyman crap to me.

 
2004-10-18 10:20:04 AM  
Kr0m0z0ne sounds like a good little bee...

There are legal meds that are ergoloid based. One specific being Hydergine, manufactured by Sandoz labs. Used for treating types of dementia. Since Ergotamine Tartrate is so hard to get a hold of and friggin toxic to boot, you'd think someone would work out a synth from Hydergine.

Unless of course it's just too $$.

I never liked Acid anyway. It's too time consuming, and gets boring after 5 hours. MDMA needs to last for 12, and acid needs to last for 4. :)
 
2004-10-18 10:20:25 AM  
hdHale

232 comments, only 1 says that an overdose is possible. No it's not conclusive, but it's sure probative.
Add me to the list of people saying that aicd is "O-Tay!"

DeloZero

That's farking scary, man.
 
2004-10-18 10:20:52 AM  
Flashbacks are bullshiat also.

No such thing.
 
2004-10-18 10:21:16 AM  
Yay, an LSD thread!

I used to do two hits of good blotter most weekends; most I ever did at one sitting was six. Didn't notice any difference between two and six; seems like either you're tripping or you're not.

/"Look... I can catch my hand!"
 
2004-10-18 10:29:37 AM  
i've taken

for real

well over 20 hits of acid in a night, and many times.

malarky
 
2004-10-18 10:37:41 AM  
hdhale
If not for them, how about so I don't have to read about you drinking LSD-laced Kool-aid and deciding you're a farking bird and can soar off a 20 story building and end up landing on to the roof of someone's car.
----------------------------
If they think they can fly, have them try to take off from the ground to test it out first. You don't see ducks lined up at an elevator to fly south, do you?

/ we're missing a moran! how will I ever sleep at night.
// I miss Bill so, so much.
 
2004-10-18 10:42:58 AM  
Psylence
A good bee... Now you know what KrZ is an abbreviation of. I think KrazyDiamond was just trying to ride on my infamy, or shroud me from the watchful eyes scanning the place.
 
2004-10-18 10:43:31 AM  
Wrong!
Shenanigans on the headline. It is impossible to take a lethal dose of LSD (though it is quite possible to take enough to make you wish it were a lethal dose, and it is also possible to take a dose that is lethal to one's sanity.)

I have (more than 10 years ago) witnessed people take upwards of 20 hits at a time. One of them interned DOJ last year, and is currently employed as an attorney. It will not necessarily fry your brain even at high dosages (though you might have to dry out for a couple of years to acheive anything like normalcy.)

Now, these days (or at least 10 years ago) it is quite common for LSD to be laced with Strychnine. If this batch were, then, well, they don't call it rat poison for nothing. An eventuality that would not have occurred were LSD legal and regulated, but I don't need to tell you all how moronic current narcotics law is in this country.

I suspect what happened here is a multi-drug interagtion, more likely between an additive than the LSD itself, and something the woman was on. It could be as simple as asprin. No one tests interactions on "dangerous" illegal drugs.
 
2004-10-18 10:49:00 AM  
I worked in a law library in college and looked up every reference to LSD while I was there because I wanted to learn as much as I could before I decided whether or not to proceed. Even in the most basic lawbooks, they note that there has never been an overdose of LSD and use the elephant example as the only known death from it.

I'd think this would bode well for the guy in jail, but with the War on Drogas and the fact that he probably just has a public defender, I'd be a little afraid.
 
2004-10-18 10:59:13 AM  
hdhale

Thank you for showing everyone the way! What kind of losers would we all be if it weren't for you coming down from the mountain and pointing out the error of our ways?!?

All Hail King hdhale! He's got the Bull of Life by the Horns, and even has enough time to waste on Fark with the likes of us Plebians...
 
2004-10-18 11:00:30 AM  
he did NOT die of an LSD overdose, that would be nearly impossible. In order to lay crystal for the rainbow family you're required to do what's called a 'thumbprint' which is where you take a vial of CRYSTAL LSD, put your thumb over it and tip it, so your thumb is covered with crystal. The thumbprint is then pressed into the palm of the hand where it's absorbed through the skin. This ussually results in doses of .2 to .5 grams (2000-5000 hits) Many many people have done this and survived. It's a way to trust how much a person trusts LSD before they are trusted with it. This was almost undoubtedly a 5-substituted tryptamine, though I'd be curious to see which since 5-meo-amt has been used previously in much larger doses than this kid took. It could also bemk-801 I suppose, which might explain the lethality but that's unlikely since it's so rare. And yes, real LSD is incredibly hard to find in the US. This is a result of a good number of circumstances which occured in relatively quick succession:
1. in 1993 the DEA began cracking down on LSD distribution at grateful dead concerts. As a result over 2000 people were arrested on distribution charges, where as the year before there were only 100 people in jail for any LSD offenses
2. The Grateful Dead stopped touring in 1995. Their concerts were the distribution hubs of LSD, and though "the dead" are touring again, and some of the market has moved to other jambands, there has still been no large scale recovery.
3.Pickard and Apperson were arrested 3 times in 6 years, from 1995 to 2001. Each time a full lab was taken down with them, and they had (probably) the largest labs in the country, putting out a few million hits a week.

If anyone has any questions on this topic I'll be more than glad to answer, just put kitch: at the beginning of your post so I can search the thread since I don't feel like reading hundreds of posts by people who really don't know what they're talking about.
 
2004-10-18 11:01:16 AM  
TypoFlyspray -

i havent' conducted my own personal tests other than taking acid, but i'm pretty sure that there is no strychnine in acid. go check it out.
 
2004-10-18 11:03:31 AM  
oh, and about the whole rat poison thing, this was an old urban legend that was circulated widely starting in the 60s. As a result, some dealers actually thought it was nescessary to add strychnine to liquid in order for it to bond with the blotte paper, which simply isn't true. This did however result in a VERY SMALL number of dealers actually adding strychnine to their acid. This practice was far from widespread though.
 
2004-10-18 11:03:34 AM  
GHB.

I guarantee it.

Not LSD...stupid journalists.
 
2004-10-18 11:07:26 AM  
hdhale

A usual, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2004-10-18 11:10:01 AM  
To join the chorus a bit late, I call bs. No such thing as ODing on LSD - at least practically speaking. Anyone curious needs to check out Erowid. (Pops) In fact, if you're curious about any drug, please research it. Please. Especially before you do a new drug, or you are doing drugs for the first time. And no, this is not some hippy-based, drug-loving site. It exists as a place to archive information on as many drugs (legal or not) as possible.

I second the idea that it was GHB instead. That stuff is pretty evil - particularly to girls.

Yeah, good times on LSD - back in high school/beginning of college. Honors student by day, apprentice in mind expansion at night ... I would suggest that everyone try it at some point in their lives, but I know better now. Some people don't want to expand their minds. Shocking, I know.
 
2004-10-18 11:10:12 AM  
That's how people make bad/cheap acid... W/strychnine. It will cause you to have a heart attack... I know. I had it.
 
2004-10-18 11:16:38 AM  
Skimmed thru one of my favorite topics. Probably already been said, but as I have studied extensively both in and out of the classroom I will reiterate.
1. There is no toxic dose of LSD.
2. There is no 'bonding agent.'
3. Strychnine (sp) is pure bullshiat. A dose of LSD is 60-300 micrograms. You could eat several thousand times that much strychnine to have any effect, much less a lethal one.
4. LSD produces no neurological damage. One of the safest chemicals ever invented, safer than aspirin, infinitely safer than alcohol.
5. A trip can make you think and/or wish you were dying. You are not, unless other drugs such as alcohol are involved and you 'pull a Hendrix' or suffer an accident.
6. LSD can magnify any psychological disadvantage you may already have. This means, if you are close to the edge to begin with, you may do something extremely stupid. Unless you are very familiar with crossing into the other world, trustworthy supervision is a good idea.
 
2004-10-18 11:22:53 AM  
Bah, I took 50 hits once and it was nothing weird, well except for that 2 week erection....oh that's right, that was viagra...I gotta stop mixing those two up. Maybe that's why my sex life's been so strange lately.
 
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