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2004-10-18 02:08:47 AM
What's truely frightning is that a *newspaper*, who has access to *facts*, makes no attempt to spend five minutes and find out that this statement simply isn't true.....

Hey, it's not the media's job to check the facts or point out when someone is lying. The media's job is to repot what one side says and then report what the other side says. That's how they achieve fair and balanced reporting.

/sarcasm, but it's sadly true.
 
2004-10-18 02:08:58 AM
Sir Chevron Food Mart - White makes right, eh?
 
2004-10-18 02:10:21 AM
either the submitter is an idiot or a republican.
the gist of the aricle is: we at the tampa tribune cant believe we endorsed bush in 2000 and we cannot endorse chimpy again for a shiat load of reasons.
/RTFA
 
2004-10-18 02:12:47 AM
My God I've been saying this all along. Bush is incompetent and frankly scares me. He's not the best the Republicans have. But on the other hand, Kerry isn't that much better either. He's not the best the Democrats have.

I think what's going on is the Democrats didn't want to waste a "really good" canidate on this election, thinking they should conserve him ( or her, if you beleive the rumors that its Hilary Clinton) for next election. Thing is, they put Kerry in there and underestimated the situation. Both parties are so messed up.

I'll vote for Kerry, mainly because my people are dying for a pointless war ( including several ex-classmates) and I'm worried about the enviorment. But my God...I'm 19, and this will be my first election. This is what I have to look foward to??

They wonder why a lotta young people don't vote. This is exactly it. Besides my generation being TOTALLY ignored ( except when it comes to fighting wars), we're confused by this nonsense. And when we're not being ignored, we're being insulted ( the democrats had a similar stupid sounding campaign, but I can remember the Republicans move to get young people to vote: "Holla up yo"). It's like they beleive we don't understand politics! Or that we don't care. If one of these guys realized this, and talked to us, they'd have this election in the bag. Like him or not ( I didnt love him nor hate him), Clinton did this. And it helped him win.
 
2004-10-18 02:14:04 AM
Headline should read:

"Conservative Newspaper who supported any Republican candidate since almost 100 years refuse to support George Poland Bush.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
I'm glad for this; I hope it serves to illustrate just how much the caliber of presidential candidate has declined.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Supporting republicans since 1964, it's quite revealing about Bush's credibility that they do not support him as tradition goes.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Badnarik for president!

/vote Libertarian, biatches!
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Old Wasted Vote Hotness: Nader
New Wasted Vote Hotness: Badnarik

As uninformed young people, Let's show the Bush admin what were made of!
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
I hope a moderator takes notice and bans Sir Chevron Food Mart.
 
MN2
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Badnarik it is, we have at our hands the biggest source of communication, the farking internet never sleeps. Do everything you can to let everyone see the light at the end of their rectum. Change your messenger names, do anything and everything you can think of to convince someone out there to atleast do some research. Badnarik.org
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
If you chose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

/Got nuthin'
//Now have Rush song stuck in my head...
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
What!? I'm all for options, but jesus, a "real" third option is Badnarik? An isolationist international policy? Destruction of the economy by essentially eliminating the federal reserve? ARE YOU SERIOUS? My. Lord. The list goes on. Just because he's a third presidential option still doesn't mean he's anything except stupendously horrible.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Old Wasted Vote Hotness: Nader
New Wasted Vote Hotness: Badnarik

As uninformed young people, Let's show the Bush admin what were made of!
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Old Wasted Vote Hotness: Nader
New Wasted Vote Hotness: Badnarik

As uninformed young people, Let's show the Bush admin what were made of!
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
I'm glad for this; I hope it serves to illustrate just how much the caliber of presidential candidate has declined.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Supporting republicans since 1964, it's quite revealing about Bush's credibility that they do not support him as tradition goes.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
What!? I'm all for options, but jesus, a "real" third option is Badnarik? An isolationisy international policy? Destruction of the economy by essentially elimination the federal reserve? ARE YOU SERIOUS? My. Lord. The list goes on. Just because he's a third presidential option still doesn't mean he's anything except stupendously horrible.
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
2004-10-18 02:12:47 AM EvenStephen7

But my God...I'm 19, and this will be my first election. This is what I have to look foward to??


I don't think so. I don't think it's possible to be this bad again...

Then again... I'm an optimist.


...we're confused by this nonsense.

...It's like they beleive we don't understand politics!


*snicker*

For what it's worth, I'm 27 and this is the first time I'll be voting. Quite a bit of tihs is confusing to me too.

The thing is, I never voted before because it never seemed to matter. I never really agreed or disagreed with what candidates said much, so I never really felt compelled. I didn't care... then we ended up with Bush.

I care now...
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
2004-10-18 02:12:47 AM EvenStephen7

But my God...I'm 19, and this will be my first election. This is what I have to look foward to??


I don't think so. I don't think it's possible to be this bad again...

Then again... I'm an optimist.


...we're confused by this nonsense.

...It's like they beleive we don't understand politics!


*snicker*

For what it's worth, I'm 27 and this is the first time I'll be voting. Quite a bit of tihs is confusing to me too.

The thing is, I never voted before because it never seemed to matter. I never really agreed or disagreed with what candidates said much, so I never really felt compelled. I didn't care... then we ended up with Bush.

I care now...
 
2004-10-18 02:24:18 AM
Supporting republicans since 1964, it's quite revealing about Bush's credibility that they do not support him as tradition goes.
 
2004-10-18 02:26:00 AM
ok, since I'm tired of the bush/kerry flames..

badnarik sucks.

there.
 
2004-10-18 02:26:52 AM
Badnarik believes the NRA is too anti-gun.
 
2004-10-18 02:27:02 AM
At least The Weasel (Kerry) doesn't make you sign a loyalty oath to be in his presence. That is just too creepy for me to tolerate.

/anyone but Bush
 
2004-10-18 02:27:54 AM
bullseye2

good observation. especially considering there was just a headline posted saying NY times and 2 other papers (didn't rtfa tho) announcing their endorsement for kerry.

republican or idiot...kind of redundant with most republicans i know.
 
2004-10-18 02:27:58 AM
badnarik believes you should be able to buy crack and H at 7-11.
 
2004-10-18 02:28:56 AM
My computer froze and I posted the same thing 3 times.... sorry MODS...
 
2004-10-18 02:29:06 AM
CrazyCurt

The morons don't even know there are other political parties in the USA. Journalists. Sheesh. They have a college degree? Whoda thunk it.

Farkers, write these dimwits and point out the Libertarians, Greens, Independants, whatever. I'm so sick of the two-party groupthink mesmerism I can't even eat. It's time for a real change, dump the Demopublicans. C'mon, Kerry and Bush were both in Skull and Bones. Both! Wake the bleep up people!


If you really think that Bush and Kerry are the same, just wait for Bush's Supreme Court appoints which will socially back-peddle this country to 1950. He'll stack the bench with Scalias, making abortion illegal, being gay illegal (at least gay sex), and end to the separation of church and state. When Bush makes those appointments, all you libertarians, greens and independents will be kicking yourself for not voting for Kerry. It could take as much as 30 years to put in place a new court that would overturn Bush's regressive social policies.
 
2004-10-18 02:29:21 AM
echo......echo
 
2004-10-18 02:31:16 AM
Recently, heck, no, usually I come across the voter that says, "I want to vote for the winner."

Um.

Hmmm.

Lessee now, let's make a choice based on who will win and vote for that candidate. Makes sense. If you're an idiot.

I'm always told I'm throwing my vote away for voting Libertarian. No, I am not. It is counted, usually. And until they moved my voting place to a religious fanatic church I was able to go vote, go to work, come home and see my vote counted. Only Libertarian in my little block. 1. That's freakin' cool. Everyone else? Demopublicrats. Well a few greens. Grrrrrrr.
 
TWX
2004-10-18 02:32:57 AM
The steps to Executive branch reform:

Don't re-elect a lackluster administration. If this requires voting in an administration that isn't particularly well known, encourage legislative branch policies to keep things in check.

Observe the new President to see how campaign promises line up with reality. Observe how non-campaign-related issues are handled, and how the President and staff handle new issues.

Compare how this President did come election time. If this President met or exceeded expectations or goals, re-elect. If this President did not meet or exceed goals, go to step 1.

In this case, Bush, in my opinion, has not done a good job. As President Truman said, "The buck stops here.", and Bush has a lot to answer for in both foreign and domestic issues. Economic policies endorsed by him haven't really helped the recession. Our traditional allies are not happy with us. The Buzzword Bingo programs that his administration conceived and implemented haven't proven the wild success that we were led to believe. He has endorsed amending our Constitution to restrict the freedom of the People by the hands of the Government. He needs to go. Currently Kerry, as little as we know about him, is the most successful front runner. If we elect Kerry and don't like his policies we can always drop him in four years in favor of the next challenger. After 20 years of this maybe someone will realise that in order to keep the job, they actually have to DO the job.
 
2004-10-18 02:35:17 AM
 
2004-10-18 02:36:00 AM
Good Lord. Oil has hit $55.33 a barrel.

Back on topic, the scariest thing this country could face would be a supreme court stacked by Bush. Our civil rights wouldn't just go back to 1950 -- they'd go back to 1850. Bush has an absolutely dismall record for civil rights.

Come to think of it, he also has a dismall record on health care, the environment, education, the economy, the war on terror, and eating pretzels.
 
2004-10-18 02:36:52 AM
For a right-wing media outlet to not endorse the Party Candidate is huge. Bush has failed so dramatically that even many who used to constitute his base are questioning his validity as a candidate.

Vote Kerry, vote Libertarian, vote Green, vote Nader, vote your farking conscience... But I just can't understand why anybody's conscience would make them want to elect a right wing nut like Bush.

I guess if you want war, big government, fiscal irresponsibility, poverty, a degraded environment, and a re-election of the 21st century's Herbert Hoover, then Bush is your guy... But if you want all those things, you are probably dumb enough to be a Florida voter.

Can we just disenfranchise the whole state?
 
2004-10-18 02:39:03 AM
BTW ...

I turned 18 in 1984. I voted straight Republican and was proud of it.

Then Reagan spouted christian dogma. You lost me there bud. Man he was cool in California too. WTF?

I bailed from the Repubs faster than Speedy Gonzalez. 1988 all Libertarian. I read the literature. If they mean what they say I'm all for it. Less government, personal freedom, ceeripes, what's wrong with that!?
 
2004-10-18 02:40:39 AM
Whose for mixing the DNA of Ghengis Kahn and Teddy Roosevelt and just growing our new President?
 
2004-10-18 02:41:37 AM
well bush has come out against the dred scott decision. he's so 1865.
 
2004-10-18 02:43:41 AM
i live in florida. don't disenfranchise me!
 
2004-10-18 02:44:02 AM
It's strange. My supervisor (a little, old lady) was driven to curse in describing the current administration. This was after she said she decided to give him a chance (she decided to give Bush the benefit of the doubt). Now, this little, old lady honestly could not understand why anyone would be "so much of an idiot as to vote for Bush" (her descriptor of how well he did his job was somewhat more colorful). I don't know where I'm going with this, but it really struck me as emblematic of this election.
 
2004-10-18 02:46:16 AM
lovehate

make that Kublai Khan and F.D.R. and you got yourself my vote.
 
2004-10-18 02:46:42 AM
YES!!! Thank you!!!
 
2004-10-18 02:47:04 AM
faethe

Are you authorized to say such things? There is a media blackout about Florida. They will be knocking soon.

--- beware "Them" ---

--- just kidding, John ---
 
2004-10-18 02:50:33 AM
2004-10-18 01:19:51 AM Sergeant Tux


Just Ignorant: Because you're just ignorant?




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2004-10-18 02:51:55 AM
Oh, and faethe, let me say, if that nastiness happened to California during the Bush administration, it would not only be ignored, it would be applauded.

"Hahaha Jesus done keeld dem hippies, good rid-dance, commies hahahaha!"
 
2004-10-18 02:54:40 AM
2004-10-18 01:43:59 AM FUBuddy

Well, there is campaign talk, there are public speeches, and then there are the real discussions.

In campaign talk, you confuse the issues you are weak on. In public speeches, you simplify the issues you want action on. In the real discussions, you are open and honest to a limited and carefully controlled audience.

Continuing your Iraqi example:

RNC's campaign talk: Iraq is a problem, but you guys supported it too, but not well enough, which is why we are in trouble, you traitors.

DNC's campaign talk: We sorta supported the Iraq war, but that's before we didn't, and we only supported it because we thought you weren't really going to do anything.

RNC's public speeches: We have to invade Iraq because it is an agressive country with an insane dictator who supports terrorism and wants to use WMDs to control the middle east.

DNC's public speeches: Iraq was contained, and would have resolved itself peacefully without any children getting bombed had we just kept the sanctions in place.

RNC's real discussions: The world direly needs the mid east oil trade, but Islamic fundamentalists violently reject any and all international contact, and the current dictatorships seem too weak to oppose them. The entire region needs change, by force if necessary. Iraq is a good place to start, because we have been bombing it for 10 years now with no end in sight. Plus, sanctions are breaking down, with France and Russia regularly flaunting them in the hopes of gaining favorable oil contracts. And what if the sanctions hold? Will the country degenerate into another N. Korea, broke but armed to the teeth? We have to either cut our losses, or make Iraq an example, and we aren't good at running.

DNC's real discussions: OK, granted on the issues with Islamic fundamentalism, but for the next couple decades we are just going to have to live with it. The best way to combat terrorism is by growing the rule of law in the middle east. The countries there are too weak for this strategy to be effective short term, but long term this should be a safer approach. Going in guns blazing is too risky, as we might destroy more than we create. Iraq is a problem, and yes the sanctions are in trouble, but we might yet be able to repair them, and hopefully when Iraq's leadership dies of old age it can rejoin the rest of the middle east.

There are real, solid, and important differences between the Democratic views and the Republican views, but often you never hear them. They certainly don't get discussed with, say, the public. That would be silly :)
 
2004-10-18 02:58:16 AM
thornhill --- too drunk to debate ya.

Look dude, here's the deal. In my opinion you vote for the man you're a tool. Lurch and Chimp are marionettascope. They are the evil ones. Rich, white, sheltered, private school, secret society ... ceeripes, what else is wrong with this picture! Am I the only one who wants to vote the way I want to vote? Freedom, liberty, a sound economy, fewer taxes, end the IRS ... must I go on? Is that insane? I guess so.
 
2004-10-18 03:03:45 AM
The college newspaper of which I am on the editorial board has decided not to endorse a candidate, probably because we are so split it would be pointless to write the majority opinion.
 
2004-10-18 03:07:33 AM
The politics in this country make me SICK.

That's all.
 
2004-10-18 03:10:31 AM
2004-10-18 02:32:57 AM TWX

I wish it was that simple. But people don't elect Presidents primarily on their policies. People elect Presidents based on the strength of their party. For example, George Bush stands a decent chance in this election because, although people hate his policies, the Republican Party is currently in far better shape than the Democratic Party.

I don't think people will change the way they vote. I believe the best hope for improvement is to switch to one of the founding fathers' alternative ideas for the Presidency: let the Senate choose.

That way, people can vote for their party, without being forced to keep or change any particular incumbant in the White House. A party could win every election, and change their leader each time until they get one that works. They wouldn't be forced to stick with a dud just because he is the incumbant.
 
2004-10-18 03:11:30 AM
2004-10-18 03:07:33 AM ban me

What would you prefer? Just curious.
 
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