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2004-10-14 01:48:54 PM
Actually mannerheim, if you'll re-read my initial post, you'll see that I made no unsubstantiated claims. I made a statement to be sure, but I was completely aware of the lack of scientific backup I had for that statement.

I know we are just to people, and as such are not nearly a large enough sample group to cull reasonably convincing data from, but anecdotal evidence is better than none.

Aside from the spelling of 'two', which I suppose you could give me one of your special idiot awards for not fixing, the message there is pretty clear: from my pedestrian knowledge of the subject at hand, all I have to go on is anecdotal evidence. I never claimed it to be the last word on whether or not the flu shot was effective/worthwhile.

And to expand on the "few hours" statement, I realize I didn't have the projectile vomit, liquipoo delirium experience (sounds like a EuroDisney ride, har har), but are there not various strains of the flu virus, some harsher than others? If so, could you wrap your brain around the possibility that I may have indeed had the flu, simply a mild strain? Hell, maybe it wasn't the flu. Maybe it was. Unless you were there, you can't possibly know any better than my undereducated ass can.
 
2004-10-14 01:48:59 PM
Well under the Bush plan you are just supposed to not get sick so the people who really need vaccinations can get them. And if you're poor, don't get sick.

It is just so easy. Bush Health Plan says - "Stay Healthy! (because we won't help you)


Okay, not that this actually deserves a response, but I'll offer one anyway. That is the most ridiculous synopsis of his plan I've heard yet. The issue is, right now there aren't enough vaccinations. It has nothing to do with who is covered and who isn't- the vaccines aren't there. So if you aren't at high-risk, save them for the people who are. It makes perfect sense. It's the most logical solution. Notice even Kerry didn't attack that particular plan- he changed the subject to a healthcare debate. Do you have a better idea?
 
2004-10-14 01:49:44 PM
oh yeah, several months ago i got that new nasal flu vaccine [Live Attentuated Influenza Vaccine (LAIV)]. i got drips that tasted like sugar. chased it with coffee and it was better [and cheaper] than a panera house latte.

i remember i didn't make varsity lacrosse in 10th grade because of a stupid flu. i went to conditioning with a fever of 102-103 for one day, ran 6 miles, puked during the last 500 feet or so, and gave up. i missed the last 3 days of school that week and the whole week after, but still i didn't get any slack. i don't even live in the northeast where they take it really serious.

what a jip
 
2004-10-14 01:51:11 PM
I know it might be dangerous to bring it up in this thread now, but my girlfriend (ahem) is working at one of the only three places in Rhode Island giving out flu shots today. I picked her up for lunch, and there were old people lined up everywhere. The shots started at 3pm, you were supposed to get in line at noon, and there were already people waiting when the place opened at 7am.

She was telling me that every two minutes or so, some little old lady (you could tell by the voice) would call up and ask about the flu shots. Her boss took one call where he couldn't understand what the old person was saying, so he handed her off to my girlfriend who also couldn't understand what the old person was saying, so she just said "come down and fill out the flu form" and hung up. All she could tell most people was to come down and fill out the form in person, and they might not even get a shot since supplies were so low.

But these insane old people apparently failed to understand that my girlfriend really wasn't hiding a secret stash of flu shots, and really couldn't make them appear out of thin air. They berated her over the phone, pled to her that they ABSOLUTELY HAD TO GET A SHOT ("my brother died in the great flu of '52, I went down to Florida for his funeral and caught the flu too, I thought I was gonna die and the doctors left me for dead," ... that's nice, lady, but that won't make the pharmaceutical company produce flu shots any faster), got yelled at in person, and had things thrown at her by this one cranky old dude.

It's kinda funny to see all these old people riled up, but kinda unsettling at the same time.
 
2004-10-14 01:53:08 PM
I'd also like to point out a guy made a comment about his girlfriend a few posts before she posted about her boyfriend.
 
2004-10-14 01:56:51 PM
kurt-roges has just provided us with an excellent example of how mentioning "my girlfriend" can contribute to the narrative.

Notice that the anecdote wouldn't have been possible without this information. Indeed, the post, lucid, well-written and well thought-out, revolves entirely around his girlfriend and his girlfriend's profession. The presence of the story is a DIRECT RESULT of his co-mingling with said girlfriend.

Let us contrast that with:

I really hope my boyfriend can get a flu shot - he's in a high risk category.

And we should all be able to see the difference.

Entiendamos?
Bueno.
 
2004-10-14 02:00:14 PM
At least I know now that if I ever have something to say that involves the man I love, I will refer to him as my "uncle" just to avoid the lonely, bitter little trolls.

/hell scares me
//i get lotsa cock :)
 
2004-10-14 02:05:16 PM
neurotic

yes, it was my statement that she receives dick from her mother on a daily basis. and by a daily basis i mean 'where the fark did you get that from since there was nothing like that in my post'

it's me that's the dick? that's fine. i'll try anything once.
 
2004-10-14 02:05:27 PM
laworderstuff:

And both John_frink and DieselChick provided you with valid, sound arguments as well. Not that you'd consider them. To get that worked up over a subjective issue (is the narrative in a freakin FARK post worthy of posting) is quite baffling.
And even if you do consider the post not well-thought out...it's fark. We're not working on our dissertations here. Chill out.
 
2004-10-14 02:12:40 PM
Okay, not that this actually deserves a response, but I'll offer one anyway. That is the most ridiculous synopsis of his plan I've heard yet. The issue is, right now there aren't enough vaccinations. It has nothing to do with who is covered and who isn't- the vaccines aren't there. So if you aren't at high-risk, save them for the people who are. It makes perfect sense. It's the most logical solution. Notice even Kerry didn't attack that particular plan- he changed the subject to a healthcare debate. Do you have a better idea?

Uh, yeah, here's a better idea: make more of the farking vaccine! We have this exact problem every year for the past four years!! Every damn year it's the same thing--not enough vaccine, sorry, folks! The reason? Well, one reason is that production isn't sufficient because there is really not that high a profit margin in this. So while our government feels fine about piping huge amounts of money into the sugar industry, the ethanol industry, the defense industry, it gets all "hey, we can't do that--it's socialized medicine!" about health. And now that absurd hands-off-it's-the-free-market policy is turning around to bite us in the ass. So the fark what if companies don't make money on the damn vaccine. Give them a subsidy! I'd say at this point that comping them a few dollars per vaccine is a relatively good buy for our government. But, nooooooo. Can't do that--it's socialized medicine! Absurd. But, it goes to show the priorities of this administration.
 
2004-10-14 02:18:44 PM
right when the thread started talking about exactly what makes up the flu virus, i quit reading. it got kinda technocratic for an article about chicken soup and tissues.
 
2004-10-14 02:19:51 PM
Yeah but that's not a solution for *this* year. Better plan for the situation we're dealing with *now*
 
2004-10-14 02:29:03 PM
Yeah but that's not a solution for *this* year. Better plan for the situation we're dealing with *now*

Well, who knows. But that doesn't absolve the administration of doing jack squat about it for the last four years. I mean, it's the administration's fault that we're at the point where we basically have to ration these things to high-risk people, tell everyone else to take lots of Vitamin C, and hope like hell that we don't have a huge outbreak.

And, might I add, that your response is typical of this administration's attitude about things. They fark things up, and then say, "ok, Mr. Smart Guy, what's YOUR plan to get us out of this mess? Oooh, you don't have one!" I'm not saying you're marching in lockstep with the Bushies, but your response is exactly what they would respond.

So, yes, given the current situation, Bush's plan is about the best we can do. But he gets no credit for farking us over and then proposing something that is the least worst option.
 
2004-10-14 02:29:29 PM
I'm not in the "risk group" but I got one yesterday. Yea, I know I'm a jerk, but whenever I get to choose between myself and someone else's health, I pick mine. Go figure.
 
2004-10-14 02:32:06 PM
Rafe

Guess you're one of those that always has to have the last word? I wouldn't respond, but you directed questions at me so I guess you want me to respond. Who cares about a typo? By your own definition, your statement that you had the flu was an unsubstantiated claim. Check the definition below, you probably had a non-influenza virus.

"anecdotal evidence is better than none" <- this is what I expect from the undereducated. I didn't get the flu ipso facto I don't need the flu shot ever. Comments like that are just really flawed, and I guess your hour-long flu comment was the most enjoyable of them all.

CDC Definition of the "Flu"
What is influenza (flu)?
Influenza, commonly called "the flu," is caused by the influenza virus, which infects the respiratory tract (nose, throat, lungs). Unlike many other viral respiratory infections, such as the common cold, the flu causes severe illness and life-threatening complications in many people.
 
2004-10-14 02:35:06 PM
bird flu soup any one?
 
2004-10-14 02:43:57 PM
Oh I wasn't giving him any credit. As things stand, I'm voting for Kerry. I just thought this particular response made sense. I don't excuse them for helping create the problem, at all.
 
2004-10-14 02:47:14 PM
Funny thing is, that the people were charged $147.50 for the "doctor's service"
 
2004-10-14 03:39:02 PM
Mannerheim

I am no clearly no wordsmith. All I was doing in my initial post was comparing my case with that of my friend, and extrapolating from there. I never once stated that I will "never need the flu shot", nor did I say that because I have been fortunate enough not to have the influenza-virus, everyone else should shun the shot. I surely will get the virus at some point, once my system starts to break down (probably sooner than later, what with all the junk I do to my body).

Again, these are just my opinions, and I never claimed that they were gospel truth. The undereducated remark was a shot at self-deprecating humour. I thank you for hitting me with that definition - that was the point of the question.

Sorry to seem a tad touchy, but I get persnickety when someone calls me an idiot. I hope you have a little more insight into my posts now, since you strike me as smarter than someone who makes blanket generalizations about a person's character

I don't need the last word. I just like to respond to others when they address me. Thank you for responding to me.

/wow, that last sentence sounds teh ghey
 
2004-10-14 04:14:20 PM
In the Bush Health Plan isn't this all solved through better education?

/retard
 
2004-10-14 04:25:59 PM
I'm just trying to figure out why <b>laworderstuff</b> gives a shiat if she mentions her boyfriend once.

My boyfriend is too.
 
2004-10-14 04:31:22 PM
here's a zinc lozenge, a nickel and a wish.

*thanks david cross*
 
2004-10-14 10:08:12 PM
If I get ONE more farking call from some 70+ yr old who responds to my polite, "No we don't have flu vaccine" with "Well, I guess you'll be happy when we DIE" remark....I'm gonna shoot all the damn geriatrics and save the vaccine for the rest of us.

Jesus farking christ, you'd think it WAS polio vaccine the way they whine. We've only had a flu vaccine for FIFTEEN FARKING YEARS!!!! WTF did you do in 1975, smart-ass old guy?

Okay, the smart funny ones have the sense to retort "I can't remember, I have Alzheimer's, who did I call again?"

They make my day.

No, we don't have any flu vaccine.

/sorry, reflex
 
2004-10-14 10:09:55 PM
Oh, I have a gf, she's not in a high-risk category, we're not monogamous, and neither of us will get the shot this year.

/just to piss off whiny laworderwtfever guy
 
2004-10-15 12:15:23 AM
Last time I had the flu was 30 years ago--when I was like a year old. And even then my mom isn't sure it was the flu.

I've never had a flu shot to my knowledge. And I don't remember having the flu either.

Remember last year when they were doing the scaremongering about a pandemic? I was like, yeah, whatever....
 
2004-10-15 01:54:11 PM
If it's not chicken soup for the soul, I don't want any.

then again, I don't know how my soul uses the bathroom, so maybe thats not a good idea either.
 
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