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2002-02-13 03:16:18 PM  
Huzzah!
 
2002-02-13 03:16:43 PM  
Hero? More like a farking coward.
 
2002-02-13 03:17:04 PM  
Seriously you guys...they are not religious nut jobs. They are just poor and misunderstood.
 
jph
2002-02-13 03:17:11 PM  
Now that's what I call "taking one for the team."
 
2002-02-13 03:17:50 PM  
THAT is BRAVERY!!!

</sarcasm
 
2002-02-13 03:17:58 PM  
I think the "hero" tag is for the grenade....
 
2002-02-13 03:19:19 PM  
I think who ever ok'ed the hero tag is just an idiot.
 
2002-02-13 03:19:40 PM  
I think who chose the hero tag is just an idiot.
 
2002-02-13 03:19:45 PM  
"in the dark of the night..."???
 
2002-02-13 03:20:15 PM  
.........That's too bad...he would have made a great jail cell biatch for a big guy named "Tiny"........
 
2002-02-13 03:20:25 PM  
I would have opted for a "cool" tag
 
2002-02-13 03:20:31 PM  
Yeah....he just blew himself up...yeah, thats the ticket.
What? .....I don't know how it got crammed up his arse.
 
2002-02-13 03:20:37 PM  
I think I'm an idiot.
 
2002-02-13 03:21:39 PM  
Congratulations Yemeni security forces, now go get some more before the shiat-heads try to blow up another U.S. ship.
 
2002-02-13 03:22:20 PM  
Is this what we were on High Alert for yesterday?
 
2002-02-13 03:22:30 PM  
Whoa.

I wish they had taped it.
 
2002-02-13 03:22:57 PM  
Hero? whoever put that tag to this article should choose such a noble death themselves....
 
lbo
2002-02-13 03:24:21 PM  
I say it again, what a stunning display of bravery on the part of al qaida. Hide, then run away, then kill yourself because you're too scared of being caught. Bin Laden has taught them well.
 
bug
2002-02-13 03:24:53 PM  
There is a valuable lesson learned here:

Don't ever corner Harmonia
 
2002-02-13 03:25:12 PM  
Wonder if Britain will denounce the dead suspect for treating himself "cruelly and unusually"?
 
2002-02-13 03:25:16 PM  
where's the "Hilarity ensues" at the end of the tagline?
 
fj
2002-02-13 03:25:38 PM  
How long till harmonia comes in here biatching about how this guy was just misunderstood?
 
2002-02-13 03:27:20 PM  
Now if we can just corner the rest of those ba$turds..
 
43%
2002-02-13 03:28:50 PM  
one less fundie to worry about.
 
2002-02-13 03:29:34 PM  
I was waiting for this to happen
one at a time.
 
2002-02-13 03:30:03 PM  
Shank, he was cruel and unusual to himself! The guy obviously broke every geneva conventioin the book! The british media should sue the bastard to teach him a lesson!
 
2002-02-13 03:31:04 PM  
Do you still get 80 virgins in heaven if you blow yourself up with a grenade?
 
2002-02-13 03:31:12 PM  
sounds like them damn Afgan Ninjas again
 
2002-02-13 03:32:02 PM  
smartest. thing. ever. done. by. a. taliban.
 
2002-02-13 03:32:32 PM  
I'm going to start my own news service and then being too lazy to do any reporting, I'll just quote other news stories I've read...

According to the CNN story...blah blah
 
2002-02-13 03:32:41 PM  
Yeeeeeeehaaw!

Bong hits all around for a job well done. Plus it saves money on prosecution, transportation, jailhouse tatoo removals, sperm transportation, and of course a new toothbrush every day to shove up his ass!

More self destruction by defective human beings!
 
2002-02-13 03:32:43 PM  
Im gonna take some flak for this, but here goes.

That IS a hero. you may not agree with him, but he was brave enough to die for what he believed in. The people who crashed the planes into the WTC were Brave. They felt so strongly about something, the dedicated their lives to it. Osama ordering them to in his little cave is cowardly, but it takes real balls to die for your cause. Im not endorseing what these men have or are doing, but dont call it cowardly.
 
2002-02-13 03:33:24 PM  
I bet this guy is someone Ted Turner can look up to.
 
2002-02-13 03:34:25 PM  
I am sure he is a hero in his home country. He will have a bilboard with his picture on it. There is no higher honor in the middle east than killing yourself, right? It is too bad they reproduce faster than they can blow themselves up, or the world would be a safer place.
 
2002-02-13 03:34:41 PM  
Yeah...the guy blew himself up....right.
 
2002-02-13 03:36:07 PM  
mask idiot, most of them didn't know that the mission was a suicide one when they boarded the plane. All they knew was that they were hijacking the plane. There is not honor, glory or anything remotely noteworthy in their actions. What he did was cowardly. If he believed in what his kind are espousing, he would have waited for them to get closer and taken out more people than just his punk ass.

...more flak to follow.
 
2002-02-13 03:37:20 PM  
Tech, i said the ones that actually crashed it, not the ones that had no idea
 
2002-02-13 03:37:27 PM  
It's all fun and games til they figure out a way to hit us back

So keep laughing
 
2002-02-13 03:38:03 PM  
But if the terrorists all kill themselves then the terrorists have already.... oh wait. no they haven't.

Allah overheard saying, "72 virgins? No, no: a 72 YEAR OLD virgin is what you get. And believe me, you gotta be pretty butt to go 72 years..."
 
2002-02-13 03:38:40 PM  
mask = troll

one more down.... keep 'em coming!
 
2002-02-13 03:39:53 PM  
Hey Mask, are you Ted Turner?
 
2002-02-13 03:39:57 PM  
Mask - I'm not sure how fully I agree with you. Some people say it's brave to kill yourself for your cause. I think it's probably more brave to live and fight for your cause. Also, I don't know how brave it is to kill innocent people in the name of your beliefs.
 
2002-02-13 03:40:12 PM  
Way to take one for Allah, sharmoota. Elif air ab dinich!

http://www.insults.net/html/swear/index.html
 
2002-02-13 03:40:22 PM  
Puck, im not a troll, we debated this for a few hours in ethics class the other day, thats my actual, and i feel valid, opinion
 
2002-02-13 03:40:52 PM  
Mask
Im gonna take some flak for this, but here goes.

That IS a hero. you may not agree with him, but he was brave enough to die for what he believed in.


Hero, brainwashed religious pawn, what's the difference.
 
2002-02-13 03:41:10 PM  
Like to see any of you have the courage to blow yourself up. Not particularly intelligent, but courageous nonetheless.
 
2002-02-13 03:42:00 PM  
mask: do me, and the rest of the world a favor, and insert yourself in a giant meat grinder. anyone that could put ANYTHING positive into the horror that the taliban did here in NYC should have an end put to his entire gene pool. there is no, i repeat NO excuse for trying to make positive what they have done. if anyone disagrees, you can follow him into the meat grinder - allah is telling you to.
/m16a2-toting, ex USMC, American rant
 
2002-02-13 03:42:22 PM  
Techmaniac Retard, dead men tell no tales. He may be blown to bits, but whatever he was working on and any information we could have tortured out of him went up in smoke when he pulled that pin.
 
2002-02-13 03:43:21 PM  
Good, saved us the trouble
 
2002-02-13 03:43:30 PM  
This guy killed himself rather than face up to the consequences of his actions. That makes him a coward. Of course, you could say that he knew he was a coward, so went ahead and killed himself to keep his own mouth shut, which makes him less of a coward?
 
2002-02-13 03:43:32 PM  
We need two hero tags. One for Americans and one for al-Queda who blow themselves up.
 
2002-02-13 03:44:07 PM  
MAsk- what are you talking about, there is not "heroism" innate in the willingness to die for one's cause.
 
2002-02-13 03:44:08 PM  
M0ppy: i never said it was positive. I think its despotic and evil. However, you have to see how brave someone has to be to do that. and no, i dont have the balls to kill myself for my opinions, so ill pass on the meatgrinder :)
 
2002-02-13 03:44:44 PM  
HEROS= NO
but they sure have some big balls
 
2002-02-13 03:44:56 PM  
REASON THIS SUICIDE STUFF BY THE RADICAL MUSLINS IS NOT BRAVERY...
The Jihad fighters admitt that they believe when you die fighting for Jihad you get to go to a beautiful heaven-like place and be surrounded by all the prettiest women in the world and feel total happiness.
They kill themselves because the think this and are willing to escape their problems and worries of their fight here on earth.
Why do people like Ted Turner and idiots like Mask continue to think that these guys taking their lives is some kind of noble bravery thing -- they are cowards for not facing up to the horrible realities of the world and instead believing they are going to paradise when they die. Easy way out = coward!
 
2002-02-13 03:45:59 PM  


"And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'"

Apparently he didn't read the Book of Armaments.
 
2002-02-13 03:46:19 PM  
if anyone disagrees, you can follow him into the meat grinder - allah is telling you to.

You are either with us or against us...

You don't have to look back very far in American history to find people who took their own lives, rather than be captured by the enemy.
 
2002-02-13 03:46:34 PM  
"I love the smell of burnt Taliban in the morning..."

he he.
 
2002-02-13 03:46:41 PM  
awww too bad so sad !! lmao... good, one less fuk head to worry about
 
2002-02-13 03:47:04 PM  
"Now was it pull grenade, throw pin or the other way around"
 
2002-02-13 03:47:50 PM  
BRAVE? you imbecile. there were innocent people around him. he cared only about himself at that time, worrying about the "torture" that the taliban have been taught to think they will undergo if they are captured. bravery is LIVING for your country, and LIVING to protect the people in it. there is no bravery in risking other people's lives with a grenade to kill yourself to avoid further pain and suffering. get a grip.
 
2002-02-13 03:48:06 PM  
It's all fun and games until one of these terrorists puts somebody's eye out. I bet they run with scissors too.
 
2002-02-13 03:48:11 PM  
"Fark the bonus..."
 
2002-02-13 03:50:00 PM  
One question:

Where was the cabbie when this nutcase blew himself up?
 
2002-02-13 03:50:42 PM  
"Im gonna take some flak for this, but here goes.
That IS a hero. you may not agree with him, but he was brave enough to die for what he believed in. "

Mask: Nicolai Soltys murdered his pregnant wife along with several other relatives in Sacramento last year. Then, he lured his three year old little boy into a box with toys, and he slit the boy's throat. This morning, he hung himself in his jail cell. You think he's a hero?
 
2002-02-13 03:51:13 PM  
ha-ha
-Nelson
 
2002-02-13 03:51:14 PM  
Brave is when you kill yourself for a cause such as saving another life AND -- you don't believe in any afterlife.

Therefore, only atheists can be truly brave when committing suicide. All the expert philosophers and thoelogians know this...
 
2002-02-13 03:51:43 PM  
aye, they weren't brave, but they did have balls.

I think Survivor should change to reflect the times. If you get voted off, you have to blow yourself up with a grenade.

The tribe has spoken.
 
lbo
2002-02-13 03:52:15 PM  
Mask, believe what you want about the 9/11 plane hijackers, but I don't see how this guy can be called a hero in any way shape or form. Holding on to the grenade too long didn't further his cause in any way. He got caught, and he wanted to escape punishment. He tried to run, but when that didn't work he killed himself. Pretty cowardly if you ask me.

The 9/11 hijackers actually died for their cause, however evil it may be. This guy died to stay out of jail. completely different.
 
2002-02-13 03:52:27 PM  
Brain: that's a rage that he felt. Im talking about something youve dedicated your life too. Allah, God, Big Bird and Elmo for all i care.
 
2002-02-13 03:53:15 PM  
How in the fuk do you know what was going through that towel covered head M0ppy? Pure conjecture, lazy thinking, false conclusions. The kind of thinking that has been in vouge since 9-11.
 
2002-02-13 03:53:43 PM  
BrainFart: Blowing yourself up and killing your family are pretty different thinks. But I guess you wouldn't understand, it would take higher than a 3rd grade education.
 
2002-02-13 03:54:11 PM  
Mask = biggest farking idiot in Alaska. Which says a lot if you've ever been to Alaska.
Notice how he realized how stupid he sounded and hasn't replied after reading the responses to his post.
 
2002-02-13 03:55:27 PM  
Umm... Welby... I AM responding to posts.... what site are you watching?
 
2002-02-13 03:55:28 PM  
LOL BrainFart, what an apt name. Want some apples to go with those oranges?
 
2002-02-13 03:57:26 PM  
Alright, you farking trolls, following that line of thought (ie, hero by dying for your cause, no matter how farked up the cause is, or who you kill in your fight) let me ask you this.
Do you think the Columbine HS murders were heros?
 
2002-02-13 03:57:45 PM  
Mask claims it is brave to dedicate your life to something ... and then give your life for it.

This guy is killing me here. Mask... go read The Plague by Camus. It should help you not sound like an idiot anymore in trying to philosphize what bravery means to you.
 
2002-02-13 03:58:12 PM  
If only they would all do this. It would save so much money on trials, prisons, etc.

Where's Harmonia?
 
2002-02-13 03:58:23 PM  
Gosh, I love the reasoning that goes on in some of these posts..."We're right, They're wrong. We = good, They = Evil."
If that had been an American cornered by Al-Qaida agents, we'de be erecting billboards, having parades, and slapping that guys face on coffee mugs.
 
2002-02-13 03:58:46 PM  
Ely: Heroes, yes. Role models, examples, good people, no
 
2002-02-13 03:58:55 PM  
Ok then Mask... what about the fact that this suicide muslim guy thought he would be rewarded in a fabulous afterlife. How does that work into your bravery equation?
 
2002-02-13 03:58:55 PM  
Lakini: So blowing yourself up is heroic, but hanging yourself is not? Oh wait, killing somebody else's children is heroic, but killing your own is not. Is that it? Thanks for the "education".
 
2002-02-13 03:59:38 PM  
i know what was going through his head - shrapnel.
whatever he was thinking, as you can read in most of the posts here, was nowhere near bravery. look up the definition, and come back and tell us if it has to do with being cornered and killing yourself, risking other lives in the process. if so, then Webster should jump in the meat grinder himself. also - saying "that type of thinking has been in vogue since 9/11 is false as well - this is something I have always believed - there is no bravery in suicide. balls, maybe. persistence, ok. insanity, oh definitely. but bravery? no. noway. it's got nothing to do with 9/11, and you inferring that it did shows your lack of wisdom. please refrain from attempting to take shots at my integrity - you can't. I served my country, and risked my life for my country, and would do it again if necessary, but I would not commit suicide, and that does nothing to my bravery.
 
2002-02-13 03:59:52 PM  
Mask...I don't agree with you in any way shape or form...but I do comend you on sticking around and actually responding to the flack posts.
 
2002-02-13 03:59:58 PM  
Elysium26: No, I think they were victims. Moral-Fascists who attempt to force conformity, and stigmatize emotions by
preaching mediocrity corner the individual in his own mind.
You know what a cornered beast does.
 
2002-02-13 04:03:15 PM  
Fart: That man hung himself because he knew he was guilty. What he did was evil. What the SUSPECTED Al-Qaida member did he did for his own beliefs: That he'd rather die than fall into the hands of his enemies.
 
2002-02-13 04:03:33 PM  
Seems simple to me. If he died because he had info he was trying to protect, that's brave. Any other reason, and he's a coward. Believe whichever view you want. Truth is, we'll never know.
 
2002-02-13 04:03:50 PM  
Welby: yes, that was his reward for serving Allah faithfully.

You guys are missing something. I hate these people. i feel its evil and vile to take innocent lives for your beliefs. Im not Islamic, im christian, actually, but im just putting myself in their frame of mind, and each and everytime, my sense of self preservation wins out. I wouldnt have been able to do it. Imagine if you have to ability to kill Saddam Hussein, by killing yourself, or take out some Iraqi soldiers? would you be able to do it? These people are able to
 
2002-02-13 04:04:26 PM  
Here is the definition of bravery for all you stupid farkers (which there is an abundant today)...
Bravery is facing danger with selfless courage. Courage is an ability to face such danger without fear of consequences.
These suicide teorists don't face danger without fear of conseqeunces because they believe they are being rewarded by their God for their actions!!!!
 
2002-02-13 04:04:27 PM  
Mask - Ever think that maybe it's braver to live in this world sometimes and cowardly to kill yourself and take the easy way out? Geesh it's all about prespective. And my perspective is right now obscured by the blood of our people. If only we could get a few MORE Taliban to be "brave" enough to put grenades in their mouths. Nice troll though....seriously.
 
2002-02-13 04:05:57 PM  
Thank you Welby, thank you.
nothing more to see here, move on...
 
2002-02-13 04:07:12 PM  
Hoagie: Yes i have, and it is, in some cases.

dammit, im not a troll :)
 
2002-02-13 04:07:37 PM  
Good
 
2002-02-13 04:11:16 PM  
There is a difference between hero and bravery which is getting confused. Bravery = resilience in the face of fear, resiliently evil, resiliently good whatever, just non value laden resilience. An action is brave on the basis of the individual performing it doing so while overcoming fear (whether this guy did it becuase of fear or in spite of fear is a separate debate). You don't have to be good to be brave.

Heroism includes bravery, but heroes have to be doing something good. Saving someone from a fire requires bravery and is heroic because it is an ethically positive action to do. Bravery does not equal heroism, heroism requires bravery.

You can be brave and evil, but not heroic and evil.
 
2002-02-13 04:12:16 PM  
Mask
It's cowardly not to accept responsibility for your actions.

Ensuring that you don't get caught, by killing yourself is cowardly.

I agree with Welby. And how were these Terrorists "in danger" while boarding a plane they knew they were going to hijack. What danger? Danger that people would laugh at them? Danger that they would be overtaken and only crash in a field?
 
2002-02-13 04:12:44 PM  
Gee Welby, for a well read guy you sure can oversimplify an issue when it suits you. Your line of reasoning is built on a foundation of conjecture. Who knows how much vital intel was lost when that guy pulled the pin?
 
2002-02-13 04:13:33 PM  
Mask, is it still heroic if the person committing this suicidal mass murder believes he will be rewarded with eternal paradise for his act? One could say that the motivation of eternal bliss, presumably more enjoyable than dreary life on Earth, is in itslef somewhat selfish. Anyawy, I agree that what they did may have been gutsy, but "heroic" implies something to emulate, or admire. Dying for one's convictions, yes. Taking thousands of innocents with you, no.
 
2002-02-13 04:15:26 PM  
Phix: That is their ultimate sacrifice, the best thing they can do for their semi-Islam is to die while advanceing the cause of their sorta-Allah. Theyve done that, taken the last, and hardest step.
 
2002-02-13 04:17:15 PM  
My last comment also applies to your question Nabb :)
 
2002-02-13 04:20:30 PM  
Nikloay Soltays is a hero as well.
 
2002-02-13 04:21:34 PM  
I simplify when I am dealing with morons because its hard to talk on a higher level with slow people. Most farkers are pretty slow so thats why I simplify on these boards.
If you want a real discussion try reading one of my books first or lets meet at the Harvard Club.
 
2002-02-13 04:23:34 PM  
I'm sure it makes no difference that he attempted to get away and only killed himself when cornered. He may not be a hero to you or I, but I can guarantee that his co-conspirators will be toasting his memory and thanking Allah that they can continue whatever operation(s) he was in on.
 
2002-02-13 04:24:44 PM  
Welby, id actually be interested in reading one of your books. What are the Titles or ISBN #'s? itll be an interesting read for next week
 
2002-02-13 04:34:54 PM  
Do I seem slow to you Welby?

I live out in the NW so meeting at Harvard club is out of the question. Back up your comments or continue your matrubatory back patting. Whatever my impression is of the average intellect of posters on Fark, you are obviously filled to the brim with delusions of grandeur.

Example A: Reading a book is in now way, shape or form a discussion.
 
2002-02-13 04:37:34 PM  
Sure Mask. Here are two of my more popular books...

GET PAID FOR SEX: THE BIG BAD BOOK OF SEX OPPORTUNITIES FOR MEN AND WOMEN. isbn: 0965119017 (rank 97,000 on Amazon)
-and -
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I'll autograph them for anybody free of charge.
 
2002-02-13 04:40:31 PM  
LonMabonJovi,

of course reading one of my books is not really a discussion.
either is masturbatory back patting, but that doesn't mean i can't wear women's panties and not enjoy them! now does it?
 
2002-02-13 04:41:45 PM  
Ok, somehow i doubt those are yours. Do you tell the Harvard club about those 2?
 
2002-02-13 04:43:14 PM  
masturbatory back patting? wearing womens panties? Welby, you ok? you were actually a rather good arguement for a while, but those last 2 posts look like some sort of joke
 
2002-02-13 04:43:31 PM  
Allrighty then, sorry I can't participate in your little troll fantasyland any longer. Keep on pretending to be something you aren't if it amuses you, but I have work to do.
 
2002-02-13 04:45:12 PM  
Good farking riddance...
 
2002-02-13 04:46:40 PM  
mask,
you got me. I haven't actually written any published books. but i do right a lot of useless crap. problem is I'm preety stupid -- a JUCO dropout -- so its hard to get any of my stuff published. sure wish i had written those two awesome books though. definitely classics.
 
2002-02-13 04:50:04 PM  
Ok, im out, any further argueing anyone wants to do with me, talk to me on ICQ. see ya all later
 
2002-02-13 04:50:55 PM  
HEEEEEEEEEEERE'S ALLLLLLLLLAH!1
 
2002-02-13 04:55:14 PM  
WOW!
American's are so brave and outspoken on anonymous message boards!
HOORAY FOR YOU GUYS!!!!
 
2002-02-13 04:59:18 PM  
CaptMorgan: I think you just made yourself an honorary American. Congratulations, dumbass!
 
2002-02-13 05:03:40 PM  
Maybe i missed something...what cause were the hichjackers blowing themselves up for? Hatred of All Things Tall? If you listen to Bin LAden's excuses for the attacks, it is amazing. Things like how we treat Islamic Children and mothers weeping in Lebabnon...? RHETORIC people! No, the US isnt some big cuddly teddy bear but neither are the rest of the countries in the world (with the possible exception of Madagascar cause thats where the LEmurs come from).

When did Heroism and Bravery get confused with Gulibility (which isnt in the dictionary, btw) and Idiocy? I think a Brave man is one who would speak up and say, "ya know what? This isn't gonna do anything but bring down pain on our families fomr the US".
 
JRB
2002-02-13 05:08:18 PM  
Dying for a cause may be brave, but no one ever came forth and actually claimed responsibility for 9/11. OBL gloated about it on a privately held tape, but persistently denied al-Queda's involvement to the media.

For all we know, the hijackers were just suicidal, brainwashed suckers who individually believed in some hopelessly stupid "cause" that we never found out about. Without understanding their actual motives, they're about as heroic as those deluded Heaven's Gate cultists.

You try to claim that heroism by suicide is valid in some way, but, really, I'd say that deliberate self-destruction is a pretty ineffective method to improving the world. Yes, murdering thousands can be effective. But doing so without stating what the hell you did it for puts you between inhuman and idiotic, not heroic.
 
2002-02-13 05:13:22 PM  
AFAIK they have a laundry list of biatches about American policy, and seeing as they are taking on the world's best armed and trained military force, I suppose bearing arms and lining up in the sand like Iraq did only to be buried by bulldozers didn't seem like the most effctive option.

They definately aren't fighting honorably, but they stand a tiny chance of a victory using unorthodox methods.
 
2002-02-13 05:13:59 PM  
It's not heroic in the least. Who and what does it benefit? Naught but yourself, thereby making it void as heroism. But it CAN be brave.
 
2002-02-13 05:14:04 PM  
Committing suicide for a cause, knowing full-well that you will never have to 'face the music', so to speak, is the HEIGHT of COWARDICE.

And sorry, but if these ArseClowns have such terrible, poverty-stricken lives and wish to commit suicide, then that too is TOTAL COWARDICE, for they are choosing the EASY WAY OUT, rather than staying alive to fight for change.

Thank God my early American ancestry weren't so 'Heroic', else they would've all drank Hemlock upon the ink drying on the Declaration of Independence.

I'm sure Harmonia will beg to differ.
 
2002-02-13 05:16:24 PM  
CaptMorgan: Exactly, thats why I can tell you to shut up and go back in your hole and just be glad that canada has been in the news lately because of the olympic judging scandal so the rest of the world can remember that you exist.
 
2002-02-13 05:16:47 PM  
Still, this is getting redundant and is all rather pointless. Who cares what anyone does, as long as they don't explode on my stuff.

In a world of ingnorance, blessed are the apathetic.
 
2002-02-13 05:18:34 PM  
Well personally I could never describe the deliberate killing of unarmed civilians as a brave action.

I feel that the main dichotomy here is the perceived value of human life, is your life important? Yes, then you will project an importance to those around you. Not important? Then life becomes the value of a bullet, or a grenade and the loss of your life of little importance, the loss of another's life is seen as less.

In the states we value the life of a McDonalds worker as highly as we value our own, in one of these little backwater countries a fast food worker could well be considered a king.

Just look at the little community of fark posters, each of us believes that we are important and grow irate when a Mod deletes one of our very own thoughts which we have sent out with painstaking effort to educate (or irritate) our fellows.

Would any of us bite the bullet and die for fark?

Not farking likely.

Just then while writing that I remembered the kid who committed suicide when they canceled Battlestar Galatica, and realized that we may actually have fanatics among us.

Or to put it another way, just where is harmonia and fb-?
 
2002-02-13 05:28:27 PM  
someone forgot the preamble to the reading of the book
of armaments

"oh lord, bless this thy hand grenade.
That with it thou might blow thine enemies to tiny bits
if thy must."

If a religious wingnut wants to blow himself up, let him.
just don't let him take anyone else along for the ride.

How he pulled the pin with it up the arse I'll never know.
or ask.
 
2002-02-13 05:31:10 PM  
Good night funny man.
 
2002-02-13 05:42:44 PM  
LaMonBonJovi- I'm with you. Its unfortunate that this guy took presumably important intel with him.

And for those of you who are so narrow minded as to think that the enemy can not do something brave - well you're just brainwashed idiots- not unlike the people you revile. No one here commended this guys actions as positive, just brought up the point that could be considedered brave. I don't know if I would agree but I understand what Mask was saying.
 
2002-02-13 05:49:45 PM  
Oopsy, that should be LonMabonJovi. Sorry :)
 
2002-02-13 05:54:15 PM  
Good. He is dead.

If they would have captured him he wouldn't have died. He might get thrown in jail for a few years, but this way he died.

Kudos.
 
2002-02-13 06:06:29 PM  
News 2 Houston has an even funnier story about this guy....
seems he "blew himself" right before they got there!

http://www.click2houston.com
 
2002-02-13 06:11:37 PM  
Self Gratification...praise Allah!
I hope this isn't too big...
 
2002-02-13 06:13:14 PM  
Ack!
You guys have psychologically damaged me!
(Is that what you expected me to say? Or should I have come on here and thrown the word "ignorant" around several thousands of times? Hell, if I was a real "Honorary American" i'd be justified in pursuing a lawsuit over a matter like this.)

Like people that matter really care about what Walt_Liquor thinks of Canada. The fact is that American's can bash it and ignore it's existence all they like. The people that matter are aware of it. Also, the economy of the entire world is not centered around the USA. Think what you like, say what you want, but whatever you do, look at the facts as they are.

*Waits for American Economic stats placed in a future post*
 
2002-02-13 06:28:19 PM  
The promise of Paradise seems to be an excuse for not bettering the world you are currently living in. Why bother doing anything now when you'll get everything you could ever want given you to by a benevolent being.

Instead of improving the lives of your fellow man, tear them down so they are worse off than you.
 
2002-02-13 06:33:40 PM  
Mask -So the jones town followers who forced their own kids to down cyanide laced koolaid, then offed themselves were brave and heroes by your standards eh? and the hale bop whack nuts who did the same, again heroic brave soles, I think you need to realign your tin foil hat some of those alien mind control waves are getting through ;)
 
2002-02-13 06:38:09 PM  
The talented Mr. Mohammed...Blows HIMSELF!
 
2002-02-13 06:40:43 PM  
OK ok Here's the long awaited Idiot list for this thread
(btw hi Sweater Gal)


IDIOTS
Rhizome23 (self admited idiot)
LDMF (its 72 and yes)
El Cerdo Loco ( - )
Walt_Liquor (-)
Crappie (WTF)
BrainFart (better to remain quiet and create doubt as to your idiocy, than open your mouth and confirm the suspicion)
etc.
 
2002-02-13 06:43:20 PM  
funny I just realized above I inquired if the hale bop crazies were brave "soles" as in shoe soles not souls, but then after remembering that they all wore black nike shoes as part of their outfits and how utterly stupid or brain washed you would have to be to kill yourself so that you could hook up with a space ship in the tail of a comet, well they were indeed soles, bout as smart as a shoe :/
 
2002-02-13 07:04:06 PM  
For More information about the subject at hand, aol instant message : Bo Blazin
 
2002-02-13 07:10:58 PM  
For antother version of this story, go to the BBC website. This version sounds a little less heroic (for those of you who think he's a hero), but slightly more amusing.

"He threw a hand grenade at the security forces, but it exploded beside him," the official said.
 
2002-02-13 07:21:32 PM  
Thanks BrainFart....the truth shall set us free.
Maybe Ted Turner will blow himself up "For The Cause"...since its so noble.
 
2002-02-13 07:27:50 PM  
Hoooray! One less terrorist in the world. Maybe all of the others will follow his example. It would sure make things a whole lot easier!
 
2002-02-13 07:31:31 PM  
Darn!

One less ass for Harmonia and her "Neville Chamberlain Society" crowd of butt-clowns to kiss...
 
2002-02-13 09:01:55 PM  
FuzzyMonkey- No offense taken, heck one time I got called LongDongJovi (but that probably wasn't an accident)

"He threw a hand grenade at the security forces, but it exploded beside him," the official said.
Le whoops! I wonder how different people would react in a situation like that ... I'm pretty sure I'd start laughing, it's a little late to be pissed off at that point.

Would any of us bite the bullet and die for fark?
farkin-a right I would! But I guarantee I'll be taking many of the antifarkisment with me, it'll be me and SLAYERSWINE back to back with Reign in Blood turned up to 11 in the main entryway of DCR.net ... brass ejecting pell mell off the blood stained walls and onto the mutilated corpses of evildoers who would dictate who can or cannot Fark on the internet. Remember, it's not just news dammit.

I still don't understand how people can compare this to Jonestown. You can't really understand how bad this situation really is if you belittle the grievances of our enemies that much. A vast majority of the people in that part of the world don't want us over there mucking around. A small percentage of those folks are tired of failed diplomacy and erosion of control over their own business and are striking out however they can.

I'm sure that's oversimplified far too much to be 100% accurate, but that is the situation as I understand it.
 
2002-02-14 05:04:16 AM  
You know who's a hero? Charles Bronson. In the terrible yet hilarious Death Wish 3 he shoots "The Giggler"--a purse snatching scumbag--with a .44. And the fat black lady whose purse TG stole earlier screams, "I'm GLAD he's dead!" Same goes for this numbnuts grenadier who wasn't on the Guest List yet whose terrorist ties make his death a bonus, like that little ship that flies oe'r top of the Space Invaders.

Anyone trying to argue a point who got their learning from an American "kollij" should probably step down, as "kollijis" nowadays are little better than processing centers for multicultural, hate-America, socialist drones.

If you are an American born after 1980, the odds are you have been deprived of a 'moral compass' since your govt. school 'education' began. Sorry 'bout that. The sooner the U.S. Department of Education is abolished and govt. schools ended, the sooner we'll be free of taxpayer-funded idiocy.

DID YOU KNOW: 'Eurocreep' is a term related to the Euro coin and is not a slight against America-hating Europeans? But it should be...
 
2002-02-14 05:34:38 AM  

Lemurs are cool.All hail!
 
2002-02-14 06:20:51 AM  
Enjoy you rivers of honey and 73 virgins terrorist / loser.
 
2002-02-14 08:28:25 AM  
I think this sums it up best.

HA HA!
 
2002-02-14 09:32:58 PM  
Im not endorseing what these men have or are doing, but dont call it cowardly.



They are cowards. They only do it cause they think it will get the sorry asses laid. "blow yourself up and get 72 virgins." These guys are a cult of NUTJOBS!
 
2002-02-14 09:48:30 PM  
CaptMorgan
WOW!
American's are so brave and outspoken on anonymous message boards!
HOORAY FOR YOU GUYS!!!!


We just want to be like your sorry anonymous ass. Sorry I don't put my phone number here. I am sure some Marine County assholes or Northern neighbors like yourself would be happy to set me straight 100's of times at 4 a.m.
 
2002-02-17 04:30:12 PM  
just a follow-up...

this shiathead didn't off himself for his beliefs,
he was trying to throw the grenade at the police and farked up.

not hero, simply throws like a girl.
 
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