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(Canoe)   Man has been banned by a judge from using the Internet, despite the fact he's of ancient Egyptian stature and "has authority recognized by all High Councils of this Galaxy"   (canoe.ca) divider line 69
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2004-09-30 05:56:24 PM  
What was he tried for?

Just posting idiotic this on the internet?
 
2004-09-30 06:49:14 PM  
Reinhard Mueller

Guess which group of human beings he hates...
 
2004-09-30 07:30:44 PM  
Lesson:

In Canada, you do NOT have the right to free speech, even if you are a Nazi Farkwad.
 
2004-09-30 07:33:55 PM  
Insane ramblings of people who are on, or in need of, some good drugs always make me feel good that I'm not one of them.
 
2004-09-30 07:34:35 PM  
<- Hottie mcNOThot
 
2004-09-30 07:34:57 PM  
I'll bet he runs with scissors, too.
 
2004-09-30 07:35:05 PM  
Insert Stargate joke here.
 
2004-09-30 07:35:20 PM  
I expect this kind of nonsense from Norway not you Canada. What's going on up there?
 
2004-09-30 07:36:09 PM  
I'm sure glad we have the Canadian thought police to protect us from white men who might say politically incorrect things on the internet.
 
2004-09-30 07:38:17 PM  
This guy is a nutty asshat, but muzzling free speech is not the answer to the problem. Yay for the Canadian Thought Police!
 
2004-09-30 07:38:54 PM  
paz?
 
2004-09-30 07:39:50 PM  
Free Speech in Canada has limits. It's something like "Free Speech... within reason."

You can say whatever you want, but once you add hate or promotion of hate into it, then there's restrictions. (Why groups like the KKK can rally in the US, but not Canada.)

It's been debated for a long time, but the general population accepts it since it's mostly reasonable and keeps hatemongers quiet.
 
2004-09-30 07:40:12 PM  
crazy? or right?

/got nuthin'
 
2004-09-30 07:41:45 PM  
Mueller uses the pen-name Reni Sentana-Ries and says he is of ancient Egyptian stature...

I do not think that word means what you think it means. Stature means height or reputation, neither of which fits worth a damn here. Unless Mueller is just using ancient Egyptians as a reference to tell people how tall he is?

Anyways, I apologize for this moran on behalf of all Canucks. Canada is great but we do, in truth, have a fairly respectable population of nutjobs.
 
Ral
2004-09-30 07:42:04 PM  
Yep, hate speech is illegal in Canada and will get you in a lot of trouble. They seem to think people are incapable of handling weirdness, which frankly seems optimistic considering that we're talking about Canada.
 
2004-09-30 07:42:09 PM  
Bullshiat, as a senior Galactic Councilor, I can assure you this man is not recognized by us in any way.
 
2004-09-30 07:43:56 PM  
I think him and the fellow from www.timecube.com should get together
 
2004-09-30 07:43:56 PM  
But he needs the internet to so he intergalacticly date!
 
2004-09-30 07:46:24 PM  
That's mean. No fair - taking the intrawebnet away from the crazy guy. Without loonies the web would be boring
 
2004-09-30 07:47:33 PM  
PHUK HED CANADIANS*

I guess promoting hate speech towards Jews in Canada is a crime. But hate speech towards Americans is a favorite national pastime.

*Hail Tampa Bay Lightening...Forever
 
2004-09-30 07:47:49 PM  
OMG, quick, hide Fark from that judge or most of us will be banninated from the net!
 
2004-09-30 07:51:25 PM  
How exactly can you ensure that one doesn't use the internet?? I mean, there are internet cafes, internet in libraries. Enforcing that condition would be very difficult.
 
2004-09-30 07:53:03 PM  


Although not much wackier than the Christian nutjobs.
 
2004-09-30 07:53:32 PM  
Is this inter-stellar commerce thing anything like the EU?
 
2004-09-30 07:54:14 PM  
lunarworks Nonsense. The idea that there's a seperate category of political speech known as "hate speech" is a blatant ploy to outlaw the expression of certain political opinions.

Like all "hate crimes" laws, those in Canada are almost exclusively applied against white males. "Hate speech" is nothing more than speech which certain interests would hate to permit you say. In particular, "hate speech" laws are used to criminalise white Canadians who resist their country being transformed by insane immigration policies into the Great Brown North.

It's interesting that the promotion of Zionism, which is nothing more than Jewish racism, is never covered by "hate speech" laws. Would it be "hate speech" to link that observation to the fact that Canada's press is largely owned by Jews? (Like the late, unlamented Izzy Asper who decided to fire any journalist in his media empire who refused to promote the Likud party line on Middle Eastern affairs)
 
2004-09-30 07:54:34 PM  
Meh, free speach jr. has it's good side. I wouldn't trade American Free Speach in for Canadian, but Canada's isn't as bad as it could be.
 
2004-09-30 07:57:57 PM  
Any speech which incites hate, or violence, towards an identifiable group is illegal.

Really this isn't so draconian - you're perfectly within your rights to claim to be the Grand High Poobah of Starfleet and Lord of a Thousand Worlds. No worries.

However, if you have been directed by Starfleet to communicate the important message that all Spanish people must be killed because they are evil and steal things, then you've got a problem.

It is ultimately just an extension of the "no yelling fire in a crowded theater"-type restriction. Stuff that actively endagers people is against the law. I'm not 100% comfortable with it, but it does seem like a reasonable compromise.
 
2004-09-30 07:58:40 PM  
superpeanut;
Yay for nazis! Those KKK meetings must be a ball eh?
 
2004-09-30 08:00:33 PM  
Judging by superpeanuts' post, it appears Mueller's found internet access again!
 
2004-09-30 08:02:56 PM  
Wow. superpeanut makes a good case, but not the case I think he thinks he's making.

Just... wow.
 
2004-09-30 08:03:54 PM  
I'd like to see this guy packed in a room with all the others who swear they're in league with aliens just to see them have a pissing match over who's aliens are stronger and who's message is better.
 
2004-09-30 08:05:09 PM  
Good to know that "All [insert ethnicity here] must die" is just a "political opinion".
 
TV
2004-09-30 08:08:09 PM  
prowler8

you miss the point. 'hate laws' can be used to target certain groups, because the designation of what is 'hate' is to a large degree arbitrary. there is no one definition of the word that applies across the board, so the government gets to decide what is hate and what is not. no one minds if it's the nazis that are targeted, but the potential exists for more and more views to be labeled as 'hate' simply because they're outside of the mainstream.
 
2004-09-30 08:08:21 PM  
All your aliens are belong to us....
 
2004-09-30 08:08:50 PM  
M Sinistrari

I believe they call that a "Star Trek Convention"


(not to pick on Trekkies, but this Mueller guy has clearly been watching too much Star Trek. "Federation of Planets"?, "Starfleet Commanders"? Yet somehow he missed the whole "tolerance" theme. Sigh.)
 
2004-09-30 08:10:16 PM  
This is an example of speech that would have been protected under the US first amendment. It's not the best test case, being that the individual in question is batshiat crazy, but speech that offends is the speech that needs protecting. A website that preaches kindness and teddy bears needs no protection.
Besides, the best way to educate people on the stupidity of racism is to let the wackos have their fifteen minutes.

/Oh, noes! Evil space-jews! Editors of the Weekly World News, rejoice!
 
2004-09-30 08:11:01 PM  
 
2004-09-30 08:11:28 PM  
TV

true, but you have to see why people don't buy it, when said message so often comes from shrill, racist numbskulls like superpeanut.
 
2004-09-30 08:15:17 PM  
man why doesnt he bring elvis back? ET took him away at least they could give Elvis back so we can be graced by his wonderful music.
 
2004-09-30 08:16:46 PM  
superpeanut
"Hate speech" is nothing more than speech which certain interests would hate to permit you say. In particular, "hate speech" laws are used to criminalise white Canadians who resist their country being transformed by insane immigration policies into the Great Brown North.


Hey Peanut.... Shut the Fark up. I'm not sure what redneck hick town you crawled out of, but out here in the non-racist real world, we dont care what colour your skin is, where you come from or what religion you follow.

We immigrate alot of 'Brown' people, and most of them are alot smarter than you seem to be.

The year is 2004, not 1954. Either figure it out, or shut up, sterilize yourself, and go away.

And this is coming from a white male Canadian who was born in a redneck town.

/hates Racists
 
2004-09-30 08:19:07 PM  
Well,Suetekh, it's been years since I was last at a Trek convention, and that was the one where I got a wee bit tipsy and went on a rant similar to the infamous Shatner SNL skit to the Starfleet group. Security was called to heft my 5'4" 120lb self up and out of the hotel so I wouldn't get lynched by a mob of people in bad Spock ears.
 
2004-09-30 08:24:04 PM  
Someone should close the quotes in the headline.
And "a lot" is two words, NotSoSuperMan. Even in Canada.
 
2004-09-30 08:24:37 PM  
Man, what a hypocrite! I've got pictures of this guy sucking some Joozian's jagon.
 
2004-09-30 08:38:31 PM  
Im a Jew and I live at 3515 Lexington Way Seattle Washinton 98112 and Reinhard Mueller is a giant pussy. I feel safe saying that since he is banned from the internet. Also his mom is a whore
 
2004-09-30 08:39:58 PM  
datdamonfoo-
I know I know... I saw it right after I submitted.
Its my job to write C# and C++, not English!
 
2004-09-30 08:45:55 PM  
the ruling hasnt gone through yet you say? oh ummm i guess Im white and I live in california and his mom isn't slutty at all :)
 
2004-09-30 08:50:42 PM  

On the website, Mueller uses the pen-name Reni Sentana-Ries


you have a lovely tan, man!
 
2004-09-30 08:58:46 PM  
I thought I was the only one.
 
2004-09-30 09:20:07 PM  
But wait. How is this possible? I have been repeatedly assured by Canadian Farkers that they enjoy "more freedom," especially of expression, than Americans. Of course, I've also been assured of the same by Europeans, one of whom did so during the criminal trial - yes, criminal trial - of an author - yes, an author - who had the gall to refer to Islam as "the most stupid religion" in an interview with a magazine. (He openly dislikes all monotheistic religions, he just had a bit too harsh a description of Islam I guess.) Amazing, in'nt it.
 
2004-09-30 09:21:22 PM  
Wow, Superpeanut is just about the biggest troll I've ever encountered. Meh. I'm all about the brown and the yellow and the black, and the whatever color people may be who chose to live in this country. Immigration made Canada the strong country that it is today. Why just be stuck with the best and brightest of the people we already have when we can import the best and brightest from other countries too?

I should also point out the ladies. Girls from other countries are very enjoyable.

Hatespeach legislation: A good thing for Canada. We run on the concept of Peace, Order, and Good Government. The idea is that we accept very limited restrictions on some rights in order to preserve the greater positives and freedoms of living in a democracy.

Individual freedom is paramount, though we also have a political culture recognizing the right of groups within the country to exist free of fear and oppression at the hands of non-governmental forces. Absolute Libertarian Freedom doesn't necessarily maximize de facto freedom.
 
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