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2004-09-28 07:29:16 AM
I have hurricane-proof housing. It's called "inland Texas."
 
2004-09-28 07:30:12 AM
lol!
 
2004-09-28 07:30:37 AM
2nd post, this post is piss on a stick!
 
2004-09-28 07:35:03 AM
"I never knew this would happen," says Kort.

"...I mean it was a bit of a surprise when it happened last year... and every year before that"
 
2004-09-28 07:35:12 AM
Is it Underground? Oh, wait a minute--floating?

Underground and Floating?
 
2004-09-28 07:40:31 AM
If I *had* to live down there, I'd build a nice looking addition to the house that covered two of those 20 ft. cargo containers, one welded to the top of the other, and bolted to a concrete base. Put the important stuff, sealed in plastic in the lower one, and ride out the storm in the upper one.

/one engineer's solution to an unusually rainy day...
 
2004-09-28 07:41:21 AM
How much do you want to bet that she files a lawsuit against the contractor that forgot to remove the plastic strips from the shingles?
 
2004-09-28 07:43:04 AM
Um...there's already hurricane proof housing. Just look to the residences of urban Ft. Lauderdale and Miami near the federal highway. My grandparents have had their house on NW 13th Ave. since the early 1940's and the only repairs they've had to make are to their roof. This also includes the additions they made in the 60's and 70's being smart enough to have them done in the same style housing and people who know how to build these houses. Its common sence that you don't build a two story modular home ANYWHERE where large hurricanes are likely. This area now includes the entirety of Florida.
 
2004-09-28 07:48:26 AM
What's a Hurricane?
 
2004-09-28 07:52:38 AM
ofmikeandmen
The 40's were the era before all the retards moved there.
 
2004-09-28 08:05:05 AM
drivinghighway61

Yeah, but is it tornado-proof?
 
2004-09-28 08:12:52 AM
http://hendee.com/force12protection/2.htm
We're having this stuff installed, it's called "force 12". Supposed to reduce 100 mile an hour winds to just a few inside the screen. Plus it's nearly transparent. So, next hurricane comes through, I'll be shooting a video for you of the things whipping around my house from the comfort of my pool, with martini in hand. Pretty cool stuff.
 
2004-09-28 08:32:13 AM
They already have hurricane-proof (and possibly tornado-proof) homes: http://www.monolithic.com/plan_design/FEMA/index.html

Once you get over the odd looks, a concrete dome home is probably one of the safest structures you can live in.
 
2004-09-28 08:35:53 AM
6-foot thick concrete is not science, it's getting the CIA to build you a house.
 
2004-09-28 08:43:36 AM
www.monolithicdome.com

concrete eggshell on 20' deep concrete pilings.

'nuff said.
 
2004-09-28 08:58:39 AM
See this article on Monolithic Domes. Note that this house was in the path of Hurricane Ivan's worst side, and survived it just fine.



You can read that survival story here, with lots more pretty pictures... Apparently it was pretty quiet inside during the worst of it. Here is the MSNBC Report and more info here



Three houses directly to the east are gone. The houses to the west have the windows blown out and are likely trashed inside
 
2004-09-28 09:00:53 AM
Ummmm, wow, seems to me concluding that shingles be nailed on rather than stuck on like Post-It notes isn't rocket science.

I have never heard of shingles just being glued on. The sound of a new roof being installed is the sound of a nail gun.
 
2004-09-28 09:03:35 AM
Not to be picky, but shouldn't this have been posted a month or so ago? Not that I care (420 miles inland).
 
2004-09-28 09:20:10 AM
ruta,
shingles are 'glued' AND nailed. the glue is in the form of strips of tar on the back of the fiberglass and tar paper base. the tar doesn't really stick until it's seasoned. up north, that could take a year. in Texas, it's like the next day or so. the tar has to melt and bond the composite back of one shingle to the gravel top of the other. there's actually a temperature range in which shingles are to be laid out. too cold and they'll break. too hot and they're too sticky to handle.

i've always thought composite roofs are crap. they take too long to install and don't wear that well. theres a product out called Berm, that's the shiz. You roll it on the roof like paint and then lay down a woven fiber layer. Then 2 more layers of Berm. Black, then cloth, then white, then whatever color you want. It can be tinted with latex paint. It rolls on like paint and dries like the rubber on a skateboard shoe. Mostly used in flat industrial roofs, it's killer on a house.

an interesting fact: a thatched roof like what you see in Europe is rated at 50 years. Your composite tar shingle roof is rated at 10.

\from a family that builds stuff for a living.
 
2004-09-28 09:20:49 AM
skaya:

The dome home you speak of has it's own web site. Below is the URL:

http://www.pbrla.com/domehome.html

Their page has been "off the air" since the hurricane hit Pensacola Beach.
 
2004-09-28 09:24:10 AM
new website:

http://domeofahome.com/

they are still catching up and getting new info up, but nice, since it's a vacation rental home
 
2004-09-28 09:32:35 AM
skaya:

I like the home and saw a thread about it before the hurricane hit. I wanted to see how the Dome Home withstood the wind and was hoping to see some post hurricane pictures but have been unable to until now since their web site was dead.
 
2004-09-28 09:33:04 AM
Move away from the path of hurricanes?
 
2004-09-28 09:41:36 AM
I've been saying this crap for years.. no one listens until a ton of hurricanes ass rape Florida.

I expected the morons to all die so the real estate prices to go down, but even basic humans have hurricane migration patterns.

Anyhow, people in Florida live in a wooden farking box. A BOX. True aerodynamics even with cars started in the early 30s. Almost 80 years later it takes people to realize this?

Though, I must bow my head at the people who rebuild their homes 4 times a year who solely are responsible for keeping Florida the construction captial of the United States.

I have as much sympathy towards hurricane victims as much as I do the jackoffs who build their houses 10 feet from a river and wonder why their belongings turn to liquid shiat with every hard rain.

Dome homes are the way to go in hurricane pathes.
 
2004-09-28 09:54:46 AM
http://www.ultimatesecurehome.com/
This one is pretty bad-ass, i think you have good odds for surviving a full scale nuclear-exchange if you live in this..
 
2004-09-28 10:13:27 AM
where was the science?
 
2004-09-28 10:26:44 AM
"If we can define the wind forces, then as engineers we believe we can design something that will withstand these forces," says Tim Reinhold, vice president of engineering at the Institute for Business and Home Safety.

This is why I never ask engineers questions.
 
2004-09-28 11:15:55 AM
OK, hurricane proof housing: DON'T LIVE IN A FREEKIN TRAILER IN FLORIDA!


"and mobile homes are smotherin my Keys, I hate those bastards so much, I wish a, summer squall would blow them all the way up to fantasy land. Yeah their ugly and square, they don't belong here, they looked allot better as beer cans!" - James William Buffett
 
2004-09-28 11:38:18 AM
skaya,

I used the beach access in front of that particular dome home as my prime surfing spot. (There's a great point break there.) That house is huge and pictures just don't do justice to how formidable it looks standing next to it.

On another semi-related note, The bright blue home in the second picture to the right and behind the dome house is where we partied for this past New Year's week. It was teh awesome.

/babbling
 
2004-09-28 12:04:52 PM
"...I mean it was a bit of a surprise when it happened last year...

Hurricanes to hit Florida by year (source: NOAA):
2003: 0
2002: 0
2001: 0
2000: 0
1999: 1
1998: 0
1997: 1
1996: 0
1995: 1

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastall.shtml
 
2004-09-28 12:39:22 PM
OK, following up on Grasso's link:

For the Atlantic/Carribean/Gulf Region:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2003atlan.shtml

2003: Hurricanes: 7, Tropical Storms: 14
Of those, Hurricane Erika passed over florida, as did Tropical Storm Henri, although Erika was only ruled a Hurricane after the fact.


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2002atlan.shtml

2002: Hurricanes: 4, Tropical Storms: 10
Of those, at least Tropical Storms Edouard and Hanna passed over Florida, and Hurricane Kyle came very close to Florida and did make landfall elsewhere in the SouthEast coast.

That's just the last two years, and just from scanning the storm maps. I think the point is that the particular geography of the area leads to weather that can generously be called at least "Hurricane Prone".

The fact that MAJOR hurricanes don't hit Florida EVERY year, but do manage to do so at least a few times a decade sort of leads me to think that the storms really should not be a SURPRISE to anyone...
 
2004-09-28 12:46:07 PM
At least with hurricanes, we get warning and prep time. I'd still rather live here than anywhere else.

California and Pacific coast - earthquakes, mudslides, and wildfires? No thanks.

Texas, Midwest, and the heartland - Tornado alley, brutal summers and frigid winters?

Northeast - Blizzards? No thanks, again.

P.S. - Everyone please come and pick up your parents. They all want to go home now.
 
2004-09-28 01:23:06 PM
CastorTroy:

Blizzards in the Northeast compared to a hurricane:

We all get ample warning ahead of time of a blizzard
They happen less frequently than hurricanes (maybe once every ten years, only one memorable one since I was born 30 years ago)
No need to move into a shelter when a blizzard hits
Snowmobile vs. skiff to move about in one. Snowmobiles are far more fun
If electricity goes out during a blizzard, it's usually back on in a day or two at the most.
When the snow melts, you still have a home.

Conclusion:

I'll take three feet of snow over the 140mph wind any day.

Florida is fun to visit, but I'll pass on owning any land down there...

 
2004-09-28 01:28:51 PM
"You have no damage to the roof structure itself," he explains to Kort. But when a patch of shingles blew off, water poured into the crawl space under the room, collected, and brought the ceiling down, ruining the interior.

Does that sentence make sense to anyone, or is it just me?

My house has never been damaged by a hurricane. Location, location, location!
 
2004-09-28 02:16:38 PM
Been through 3 hura-cans this year, and no damage whatsoever to my modern 2002, up to current standards, 2600 square foot manufactured home. Didn't loose one shingle. (I guess they pulled the plastic thingees off the shingles at the factory). I believe mine is approved for use in areas that experience 110 MPH winds.

Manufactured housing costs $25-$39 a square foot, versus $70-$220 a square foot for site built homes, that is why it is so popular in Southern states. That leaves us with extra cash to buy expensive SUV's, boats, RV's, generators and the gasoline to fill their tanks, keeping you folks up North employed.
 
2004-09-28 02:26:34 PM
The problem with most homes in Florida is the crappy cardboard & toothpicks construction.

Homes should at a minimum be constructed on reinforced concrete block walls with some sections poured in place. The roof can be mostly wood but proper securement to the concrete structure is critical. Here in the caribbean my home is 100% concrete (including the roof - poured in place & reinforced with rebar). The house has been solid through several hurricane events. Windows should also be laminated glass or covered with plywood/aluminum shutters.

I assume cost & special interests (developer/construction industry) resistance is a major factor why homes in FL are not better constructed. Every time I go visit my brother in Titusville I just cringe at how cheaply the homes are constructed - very pretty & functional but cardboard & toothpicks.....
 
2004-09-28 03:52:48 PM
As he inspects the Kort home, Prevatt may have found one. He notices that the contractor who built the house about a decade ago neglected to peel off the plastic backing over a sticky adhesive strip on the back of each shingle. That extra adhesion might have held the shingles in place the night Hurricane Ivan blew through.

As an engineer who used to own a roofing company, I can say that I have never seen a shingle with an adhesive strip on the back. There is a tar strip on the front of the shingle, that causes the shingles to stick together as they haet up. Since they stack the shingles in the bundle, they put the plastic strip on the back to help keep the shingles from sticking together. If the shingles are laid in such a way that the plastic strip on the back is keeping them from sticking together, someone put them on the house wrong. I have never seen manufacturer's instructions that tell you to remove the plastic before installation.

I have never used staples to put shingles down. After tearing up several comp roofs that were only a year or two old that were fastened down with staples, I decided it was not the way to go. Nails hold well, and coil nails hold even better.
 
2004-09-28 05:52:42 PM
Yeah, but is it tornado-proof?

My brother loves to tell the story about how a friend of his strapped down his mobile home. The guy was so proud of the job he had done, telling his friends that there was no way a tornado was going to blow away his trailer.

My brother took a casual look around and asked, much to his friend's horror, "so where are all of these other trailers going to go when the tornado hits?"

/doh
 
2004-09-28 06:13:18 PM
"I'm thanking God on my knees I am alive."
does anyone else find this dirty? or somewhat provocative?
 
2004-09-28 08:05:41 PM
...I've never seen wind...
 
2004-09-28 09:40:20 PM
I prefer the Nestegg design by Formworks. Earth-sheltered thin-shell steel-reinforced domes. I'm working on financing and site approval for one.

Course, the beach is probably a bad place for an earth-sheltered home.
 
2004-09-28 10:16:43 PM
SuperCatBarf

ofmikeandmen
The 40's were the era before all the retards moved there.


You know, my house was built in the 40s and it didn't take any damage either. What is it specifically that makes these houses special you think? I mean, Jeanne and Charley (and Frances which wasn't as bad) really kicked my houses arse, up down and all around. I was watching water shoot straight up under the shingles on my garage for like an hour through Jean, and nothing even moved. I was farking amazed man - but hey my shingles are nailed for sure (the roof on the detached garage and the main house are only 3 years old so no doubt they fit code) and the wood that makes up the garage and main house is damn near petrified. The house never moved - not through any of the storms - and I know for sure we got a tornado (or something like it) in Charley because shiat was thrown everywhere and twisted off (mostly trees and fencing). All around me people lost soffiting, shingles, roofs and had fascia ripped right off.

Hmmm... houses built in the fourties seem to best. Wonder why?
 
2004-09-29 08:55:57 AM
That's because the US was still in ascendency rather than its decline.

Everything is breaking down anymore.
 
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