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(Yahoo)   Political cartoon blasted for showing a plane marked 'Bush Budget' crashing into twin towers with 'Social' and 'Security' written on them   (uk.news.yahoo.com) divider line 96
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2002-02-09 11:14:52 AM
I want to see the cartoon before I pass judgement.
 
2002-02-09 11:14:57 AM
Some quick, call the bad taste police...bah!
 
2002-02-09 11:15:05 AM
Two dummies here: The cartoonist for drawing it, but ESPECIALLY his editor for runnning it.

I'm all for satirizing the Prez (no matter who he is), but ya gotta think about it first...
 
2002-02-09 11:16:40 AM
Here's the offending drawing:

 
2002-02-09 11:16:46 AM
The truth always hurts, especially in political cartoons.
 
2002-02-09 11:18:42 AM
Nothing hate-filled or over-the-top here!

The outraged media reaction is deafening....

I wonder what the reaction would have been if the cartoon had run with Daschle at the controls and "Tax Refunds" on the buildings?
 
2002-02-09 11:20:03 AM
HELP WANTED: Political Cartoonist. Non-Offensive sense of sarcasm & irony a must. Applicant must have proficient skills in Bullshiat Artistry, LayinItOn v. 3.5, and AdobePCorElse

Pee in this & submit resume via Fed Ex. Thank you, Resident
 
2002-02-09 11:20:27 AM
All political cartoons are crap and unfunny. Now fart jokes, theres where the action is...
 
2002-02-09 11:20:37 AM
It could have been a lot worse, but the editor should have the balls to stick to the reasons it was published in the first place.

Are we really going to have another Bush president who is engrossed by a war and loses the election because of the economy?

Pretty good possibility.
 
2002-02-09 11:20:38 AM
That is horrible. For the cartoonist who did this...
I recomend a good solid backhanded biatch slap.
 
2002-02-09 11:24:00 AM
"Non-Offensive sense of sarcasm & irony a must."

No, you don't need to be innoffensive. You need to be clever. There's a difference. At this time in history, this reference (no mater which politico is piloting the plane) isn't funny to most readers.

"I wonder what the reaction would have been if the cartoon had run with Daschle at the controls and "Tax Refunds" on the buildings?"

It would have been exactly the same, and if you think otherwise, the world must be a very scary place for you.
 
2002-02-09 11:27:47 AM
Is that Tourist Guy on top of the "Security" tower?
 
2002-02-09 11:30:38 AM
On September 11, two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people.

Why do the news services insist on putting this statement into every farking article? Is there anyone on this rock we call earth who hasn't heard about the September 11th events, where two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people?
 
2002-02-09 11:30:41 AM
On September 11, two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people.

Just in case you didn't hear about that already.
 
2002-02-09 11:31:29 AM
On September 11, two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people.

Why didn't I ever hear about this?

 
2002-02-09 11:33:43 AM
Oops, sorry Goober, I didn't read the posts first. Anyway this cartoon isn't really that bad. Its a statement, and this guy has the right to make it, and a lot of people probably agree with this statement. People are just so stigmatized now that free speech is so hard to get away with. By the way, I hate Ari Fleischer and the mud that runs through his cold black heart. Have a nice day.
 
2002-02-09 11:33:44 AM
Scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel...the editor should have the balls to stick to the reasons it was published in the first place.

Why? The cartoonist should be greatful to have an editor willing to publish that sort of thing. I sure as hell wouldn't expect him to defend it.

 
2002-02-09 11:36:55 AM
I gotta agree with two or three posts above me..why is it necessary to mention the date, number of dead, and the building it happened in when its STILL being drilled into our head, day after day...

we KNOW, dammit!
 
2002-02-09 11:38:41 AM
I think Bush is great, etc. but Ari Fleischer really ought to learn to shut up about jokes, entertainment, and comedians in general. I can certainly understand how he would be unhappy with this, and can even understand where the argument that this is offensive comes from, but so farking what? Why are people so concerned about getting offended? Why don't they just get on with their lives and worry about something that matters. Why aren't they just greatful for the cheap chicken? Someone help me out here.
 
2002-02-09 11:38:47 AM
Why does the media seem to regard social security as some sort of holy, untouchable entity? It's a depression era social program that has overstayed its welcome and outlived its usefulness.
 
2002-02-09 11:45:14 AM
Ouroborus - it's a great voter demographic.
 
2002-02-09 11:45:24 AM
On September 11, two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people.

Just making sure :)
 
2002-02-09 11:58:48 AM
You mean to tell me that on September 11, two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people? Well, I'll be...
 
2002-02-09 11:59:28 AM
Henchman

At this time in history, this reference (no mater which politico is piloting the plane) isn't funny to most readers.

Henchman, the best political cartons are not meant to be funny. They make a statement, which this one does in a big way.
 
2002-02-09 11:59:59 AM
No more exploitative than George W. using the "let's roll" quip ad nauseum.

Where's all the conservatives crying "Political Correctness run amok!"?
 
2002-02-09 12:01:55 PM
What have we become when the press starts to get censored? Granted, this cartoon ran, but countless others (including boondocks, I believe the name was) have got pulled for maintaining their political jokes (which, by the way, they were doing before 9/11 -- now everyone has to submit to blind patriotism for the reic.. er.. democracy.. er.. republic).
 
2002-02-09 12:02:59 PM
the concord moniter? how many would have seen or known about this cartoon if the white house had ignored it? ashcroft draping a statue of justice is in bad taste too but does show these folks just can't take a joke.
 
2002-02-09 12:03:29 PM
"Henchman, the best political cartons are not meant to be funny."

I disagree. They're supposed to both amuse and state an opinion (usually ironic in nature). The humor is often subversive, giving you an obvious joke with an underlying political jab. The following is the best example I could find in 3.5 seconds with Google:

 
2002-02-09 12:04:34 PM
Flignir,
the editor published it for a reason, and being a editor, knew that it was controversial and there would be a backlash. But the editor lacked the integrity to stand by the original decision. If the editor had apologised for the picture being offensive, that would be one thing, but the editor said it was a mistake.
Nothing in a paper gets published without an editor approving it.
 
2002-02-09 12:04:51 PM
Classic, Henchman
 
2002-02-09 12:09:47 PM
Almost but not quite as offensive as the superbowl 'Buy a joint, you're buying some terrorists box cutters' advert.
 
2002-02-09 12:12:03 PM
The press is always saying that the Towers represented Americas strength and was a symbol of it's stability... I find it extra amusing now that I have thought about what the cartoonist meant, not just the obvious destruction of social security, in the cartoon.

Right now, 50% of elderly women would be living in poverty without social security as it is now.

66% of elderly African Americans would be living in poverty without social security as it is now.

59% of elderly Hispanic Americans would be living in poverty without social security as it is now.

Privitizing or destroying SS is not a solution unless you want to pull a Mao (end up starving millions of people).
 
2002-02-09 12:12:32 PM
Nobody's censoring anyone here. They published an item that many people regard as tasteless, which is their right, and are getting reamed for it, which is our right. If the editor hadn't apologized, nothing would have suffered except his reputation and his paper's circulation. The people who see criticism as the second coming of the Third Reich need to get a grip.
 
2002-02-09 12:13:10 PM
Link, btw.
 
2002-02-09 12:14:00 PM
How can you fly an airplane into something that isn't there? Social Security is a scam -- always has been, always will be.
 
2002-02-09 12:16:54 PM
Jjorsett: i was merely pointing out how with the recent rash of blind patriotism, freedom of speech has suffered. While it is in the editors power to stop running a cartoon that they do not agree with, but for many of them to do the same thing because the government says not to "aid the terrorists" (which has been said, looking for the links) is odd.

What have we become when the big players in the media start pulling all dissent from their paper/radio station/tv station?
 
2002-02-09 12:18:00 PM
"Hey old dude, quit leaching off of society. Get a haircut, and get a job, HIPPIE!"
 
2002-02-09 12:21:13 PM
PPsssh, it's not offensive.
 
2002-02-09 12:21:41 PM
People When will your Relise its not the message they are Disapproving, Its the Way they Displayed it,
 
2002-02-09 12:22:28 PM
Correct, shuh. Along with about every other 'trust fund' the government runs. They take the money out, spend it, then leave IOUs in the account. That's why only a fraction of trust fund money ever gets spent on the purpose for which it's intended. That's why, with over $13 billion in the trust fund that comes from an 8% tax on airline tickets, the FAA is telling us it needs to put a new tax on airline tickets so that it can buy scanners and implement other security measures. That money has been sitting on the books for many years, and it could be used tomorrow to start the security upgrades. But it won't be, because the money isn't really there, and they'd have to cut the budget elsewhere to replace it. Next time someone tells you how great these 'trust funds' are, spit on them.
 
2002-02-09 12:24:47 PM
I'm young. Screw the old people and their social security
 
2002-02-09 12:29:18 PM
Oops, sorry Goober, I didn't read the posts first. Anyway this cartoon isn't really that bad. Its a statement, and this guy has the right to make it, and a lot of people probably agree with this statement. People are just so stigmatized now that free speech is so hard to get away with. By the way, I hate Ari Fleischer and the mud that runs through his cold black heart. Have a nice day.

Another moron talking about free speech. Did the FBI or Secret Service bust into his home and drag the man/woman out crying? Citizens getting pissed off is more important to free speech as this cartoon being published. Freedom of speech is not a oneway street and you do not have the right to not hear anger from people you piss off. Public anger at the government and private enterprise is what its all about.

How can you fly an airplane into something that isn't there? Social Security is a scam -- always has been, always will be.

It used to be a good idea when it first started because workers vastly outnumbered people who left their jobs when they got old. It was wrong then to steal your wealth but it was able to work. Now with too many people who retire and living longer and longer with not enough workers its going to be a huge mess.
 
2002-02-09 12:29:50 PM
I agree that some speech gets suppressed in major media, FifthColumn, but that's just the nature of how our society works. They're businesses, after all, and generally won't do things that damage the bottom line. Happily, these days we have the internet, where we can pretty much get as offensive as we want. Certain 'Photoshop this' contests are a good example of that :-)
 
2002-02-09 12:39:07 PM
Mike_3486:I'm young. Screw the old people and their social security

Yes! Now, step 2: write your congresscritter and tell it that you want Social Security transitioned to an individual investment program. Just for some encouragement, if you earn only $6 an hour for your entire worklife of, say, 45 years, put your social security taxes into the stock market and assume a very conservative return of 8%, you'd have nearly a quarter million dollars at retirement. And that's for someone earning minimum wage the whole time, which virtually no one does. The average worker would have several million.
 
2002-02-09 12:39:35 PM
"On September 11, two hijacked passenger jets destroyed New York's World Trade Center towers, killing almost 3,000 people."

I like how they had to put that in there in case someone was unaware of what happened.
 
2002-02-09 12:42:28 PM
I think when SS first started it was a 1/2% payroll tax. Today it's 6%. And don't forget your employer matches that, which in a way also comes out of your paycheck.

WOW from 1% to 12%. AND WE ARE THE GENERATION WHO IS SUPPOSED TO SAVE MONEY FOR OUR RETIREMENT!?!??!

SS will keep stealing more and more as the ratio of workers to retirees dwindles.
 
2002-02-09 12:43:15 PM
whaa wha....what happened? I must have been in a coma, what are you guys talking about? When did I get this American Flag tatooed across my forehead?!
 
2002-02-09 12:44:14 PM
"Just for some encouragement, if you earn only $6 an hour for your entire worklife of, say, 45 years, put your social security taxes into the stock market and assume a very conservative return of 8%, you'd have nearly a quarter million dollars at retirement."

...unless you have the misfortune of having to retire in a recession. Plus, you've just made the "government investors" kingmakers in the stock market. Add to that the effect of a generation retiring over the course of, say 3-5 years, and you get a significant reduction of volume in the market, adding to the overall volitility.

It ain't a poifect plan...
 
2002-02-09 12:51:27 PM

This one is much better.
 
2002-02-09 12:52:33 PM
Yeah, Social Security will keep stealing $, and then the government (pres, congress, whatever party) will come and take it, and use it for god knows what. (more guns).

I'm gonna misquote a quote I'm stealing from a Guardian article yesterday on Argentina, Jorge Luis Borge said something like "[the government in Argentina] isn't good or evil, just incorigible".

As much as I'd like to call GWB evil, he's not. He probably thinks he is doing what is best. (and lining his cofeurs) But no administration is clean.

If you crawl through a sewer (the political system) you're gonna get dirty.
 
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