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(Reuters)   Red Cross say X-ray Prisoners are all POW's, no hilarity ensuing as of yet.   (reuters.com ) divider line
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2002-02-08 10:02:33 AM  
FVCK THE RED CROSS!!!
 
2002-02-08 10:03:34 AM  
they're not "pow's" - they're "happy campers"
 
2002-02-08 10:06:13 AM  
I think any prisoners that fling feces should be treated like animals.
 
2002-02-08 10:06:26 AM  
I feel the official term should be "muppets".
 
2002-02-08 10:07:40 AM  
The red cross SUCKS.
Where's our f*king money we sent to help the victims of New York. O it's in your pocket.
Those prisoners are eating better than they would anywhere else.
It's funny but back in the 90's those same holding areas that are keeping the terrorists were used to keep Haysian(sp) immigrants who tried to get into the US. No one complained back then.
I will never give a single penny ever to the red cross.
 
2002-02-08 10:10:19 AM  
They've learned their lesson...we should just let them all go now. That will make everyone happy.
 
2002-02-08 10:12:55 AM  
yes, the Red Cross,
the ultimate authority on terrorist prisoner labeling
 
2002-02-08 10:13:02 AM  
The tag should be obvious.
 
2002-02-08 10:15:07 AM  
The Red Cross can suck a fart out of my ass. They destroy donated blood when they can't sell it. They use donations to upgrade their office system and my favorite: After a tornado in St. Louis (a long time ago) they were set up at the end of the street (where the homes were all destroyed) selling coffee and donuts. At the other end of hte street was the Salvation Army giving the same thing away!

When donating money, say fark the Red Cross and United Way. Give it to the Salvation Army.
 
2002-02-08 10:15:08 AM  
btw, notice in there "the right to go home when the conflict has ended"

That one's easy to solve. The war on terror will never end.

get ready to have those taliban beards down to your toes assclowns.
 
2002-02-08 10:17:23 AM  
Hmm.. It's unlike the red cross to say anything on issues like this..
I wonder what is going on.
 
2002-02-08 10:21:05 AM  
Hooray, yet another post!
 
2002-02-08 10:21:15 AM  
From the Geneva Convention itself:

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
....
(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: (a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly; (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
.....
read it as you will...i consider a fail on all counts......doubt even the taliban would qualify reading this due to their attacks and treatment of the northern alliance civilians/women/children pre Sep 11.
 
2002-02-08 10:22:14 AM  
Poor conservatives, must still be smarting from Bush already accepting he was wrong.


Thats the point of international law, even the USA has to obey it in the end.
 
2002-02-08 10:22:31 AM  
The Red Cross has become the militant wing of the UN...who'd of thought?

Da Lupe
 
2002-02-08 10:23:07 AM  
perhaps Bush will add the red cross to the axis of evil?
 
jph
2002-02-08 10:25:41 AM  
Those crosses make nice bullseyes.
 
2002-02-08 10:28:15 AM  
if bush did admit he were wrong (not that i remember any actual admission), he shouldn't have as according to the related Article (as above) they shouldn't be classed as POWs anyway
 
2002-02-08 10:30:14 AM  
Tatasm
Harmonia isn't going to let little things like facts get in the way.
 
2002-02-08 10:30:31 AM  
Tag is misleading. Not all camp X-Ray prisoners are going to be treated as POW's, just Taliban prisoners. Al Queda terrorists will not be treated as POW's.
 
2002-02-08 10:30:41 AM  
Harmonia, is that Norwegian fish salami I smell between your legs?
 
2002-02-08 10:31:08 AM  
I think the original plan was to make them PBDQs
Prisoners to Be Disposed of Quietly.
 
2002-02-08 10:31:22 AM  
Bush said teh Taleban were covered by the Geneva convention because every single expert on international law said they were (sorry farkers)

But he said they would not be treated as POW's, which is a bit odd to say the least, so the Red Cross stepped in and said that this was obvious nonsense.

The Gc says that in case of doubt an international tribunral should decide, no sign of that yet though.
 
2002-02-08 10:31:50 AM  
Sexor, read the article.
 
2002-02-08 10:32:10 AM  
Harmonia
There is no point to 'international law'. The whole concept is a fiction created at Neuremburg in 1945. International Law is a code word for 'do what we say or everyone will be mad at you', nothing more.
What is the US 'broke' international law? Would we go to jail? would we pay a fine? to whom? There is no sovereign world governemt (thank God), and therefore there is no way to enforce so-called 'international law'.
The only penalty for breaking international law, is the loss of the right to point fingers at others who break 'international law'. As we are quickly finding out, some countries don't give a shiat anyway, so now there is little or no 'penalty' for breaking international law.
Oh, and the Red Cross has no official, sovereign rights. Frankly, they're on the same footing as greenpeace and NAMBLA (look it up).
 
2002-02-08 10:32:27 AM  
"GENEVA (Reuters) - The International Committee of the Red Cross said on Friday it considered Taliban and al Qaeda fighters held by U.S. forces to be prisoners of war, despite Washington's refusal to accept that.

"They were captured in combat (and) we consider them prisoners of war," ICRC spokesman Darcy Christen told Reuters"
 
2002-02-08 10:33:40 AM  
obviously ICRC spokesman hasn't read the definition of P.O.W, he's just hopping on the moron bandwagon.
 
2002-02-08 10:34:28 AM  
I know you all get your news from US sources (no doubt the rest of the world are a bunch of commie fags or whatever) but in the rest of the world the pictures from camp x-ray have not gone down well at all.

Still screw the world, screw the red cross, USA #1 we can do whatever e like.
 
2002-02-08 10:36:08 AM  
And in news just in, the entire international legal establishment, the Red cross and all European govts had to shut up because of Tatasm's interpretation...

Tatasm, there is no argument that the Taleban were the army of Afghanistan.
 
2002-02-08 10:36:11 AM  
The rest of the world or your little corner of Scotland?
 
2002-02-08 10:36:41 AM  
So, Harmonia[sic], your hatred of conservatives is so great that anything that happens is ok with you, as long as it has the potential to damage them?
 
2002-02-08 10:37:21 AM  
Reuters, associalted press, the EU, all the Arab states. The British Govt the Red Cross and the UN.

Hardly just "your little corner of Scotland" Mayo.
 
2002-02-08 10:38:32 AM  
Jjorsett, WTF is that supposed to mean. Just following up all the arguments that went on last week.

I dont think I hate any group of people, Nazis perhaps excepted.
 
2002-02-08 10:38:41 AM  
The AlQueadedda should not be under the POW definition, but the UN must act quickly and write up some sortof a standard on treating international terrorists like the GC is about POW's.
 
2002-02-08 10:38:42 AM  
That's damn right Harmonia. Either agree with us or be counted as a foe. Good thing Tony Blair is our subservient lapdog.
 
2002-02-08 10:39:38 AM  
Harmonia, so, you would put them in group housing, with access to cooking knives, cutlery, metal helmets, etc.? Would you be a guard under those circumstances? Before you answer, remember the prison in Afghanistan and the hospital.
 
2002-02-08 10:40:03 AM  
harmonia there's no real interpretation, the facts are there, a,b,c and d. I agree that it could be interpreted that the Taliban soldiers are POWs (but i'm not aware of any uniforms, and i don't think they adhere to the rule of war), but the Al-Qaeda 'soldiers' are most definately not.

once gain you've subscribed to the usual assumption that just because lots of people say something, that it's automatically correct.

i doubt anyone whos reporting on this has actually read the convention themselves, but have just spoken to so-called 'experts'.
 
2002-02-08 10:42:04 AM  
I heard that now they can have tobacco, sports jerseys, and musical instruments. The funny part is that their religion bans all these items.
(well maybe a sport jersey exists of their favorite executioner from their old stadium.)
 
2002-02-08 10:42:12 AM  
You don't hate any group of people? I could have sworn you hated the Taleban--before it looked like something was going to be done about them, that is.
 
2002-02-08 10:42:24 AM  
Reuters, associalted press, the EU, all the Arab states. The British Govt the Red Cross and the UN.

Hardly just "your little corner of Scotland" Mayo.


Reuters and the assocalted (sic) press are news reporting agencies and don't make such judgements. The EU and the Brits aren't putting any pressure on so they can't be to upset. As for the Arabs, who cares? They're part of the problem. The Red Cross isn't able to follow or interpret the rules so who cares as well.

Tell me, which part of this doesn't pertain:

(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly; (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
 
2002-02-08 10:42:34 AM  
I thought the US was the world government.
 
2002-02-08 10:43:07 AM  
And in further news international relations expert S lawer said

"Even though I have studies the subject for 20 years and been involved with prisoners rights all over the world, even though the UN tells me I am correct I bow to Tatasm"

Your argument is that they are not POW@S how Tatasm?

BTW any arguments go to a neutral tribunral, they are not settled by one of the parties to the conflict just deciding itself.
 
2002-02-08 10:43:43 AM  
Harmonia: you lead off this particular discussion with

Poor conservatives, must still be smarting from Bush already accepting he was wrong.

Then you continued on with

perhaps Bush will add the red cross to the axis of evil?

Your sarcasm reveals your feelings towards conservatives in general or Bush in particular. I'd wager that had Bush originally declared them POWs and the Red Cross declared otherwise, you'd be happy about that.
 
2002-02-08 10:43:48 AM  
Have you ever been under the care of a psychiatrist, Harmonia? Why do you obsess about the U.S. so much?
 
2002-02-08 10:45:50 AM  
") that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly; (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war

Well the Talebandid have a command structure and distinctive clothing (Black turbans) and they certainly carried arms openly.

As for the "Rules of war" I understand that bombing civilians (and red cross buildings) could possibly be a breach.

The question is why is the US govt scared of an international tribunral, what has it got to hide?
 
2002-02-08 10:47:06 AM  
Interesting that the personal abuse has started early.

Proves that you have no points top make at all....

Off for a ciggy while you try and come up with a relevent point apart from "We hate you you commie fag"
 
2002-02-08 10:48:04 AM  
We hate you, you commie fag.
 
2002-02-08 10:48:07 AM  
Harmonia: You probably have time for a cigar.
 
2002-02-08 10:48:23 AM  
Keep smiling UKers. Here's what's coming (Link to a story about the U.S. threatening to repatriate al Qaeda Brits).
 
2002-02-08 10:48:28 AM  
Harmonia
from the points out of the actual convention:

on being commanded:
(a) Al-Qaeda soldiers and cells are autonomous and do are not controlled through a chain-of-command

recognizable from a distance
(b) they have no uniforms or symbols etc.

that of carrying arms openly;
(c) i don't think jet planes count

that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
(d) you've got to be kidding me don't you

and a retort to your attempt at sarcasm..once again, just because everyone is saying it, and very loudly, doesn't mean it's right. And everyone's got a biased perspective on this, so why don't people actually read the frikkin articles before that have an opinion instead of beleiving everything they hear on TV!
 
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