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(Forbes)   Before the ten new EU countries can adopt the euro as their currency, they have to spell it correctly   (forbes.com) divider line 54
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2004-09-12 08:06:45 AM  
Strange ... in the UK they spell it "pound" and get away with it.
 
2004-09-12 08:35:30 AM  
In the US we get away with "dollar" strangely enough.

/Oh right, we haven't been taken over by European economy yet
 
2004-09-12 08:39:30 AM  
outofit

We haven't signed up to the euro yet.
 
2004-09-12 08:42:56 AM  
"'yuro'...no, wait, 'yeroh'...damn this is tough..."
 
2004-09-12 08:45:04 AM  
I thought the name was "Eurodollar". Euro is just the short form.

Anyway, it's a stupid name. They should have at least picked a good name, instead of just naming the currency after their continent and taking the suffix dollar from the USA (which got it from Germany, I know, I know).
 
2004-09-12 08:50:23 AM  
Pfil : Why take the suffix "dollar"? Why not "peso"? That's almost like the dollar.
 
2004-09-12 08:51:23 AM  
Baht.
 
2004-09-12 08:52:35 AM  
In Kentucky, they spell it Dawlar, and no one seems to mind.
 
2004-09-12 08:53:37 AM  
malcy: I understand that but I am not clear how a country can be part of the ECM and not use the euro - it seems a much bigger "problem" then how they spell euro
 
2004-09-12 08:54:40 AM  
Unity in Euroland? Hah, it'll only happen by force, like here in the States. Just wait until one country tries to succeed.
 
2004-09-12 09:01:30 AM  
"We were all surprised to find that this problem existed, but we solved it," Zalm said. "You see how decisive finance ministers can sometimes be."

maybe they can work on world peace next
 
2004-09-12 09:02:50 AM  
Pfil - It was never called the "Eurodollar", to the best of my knowledge.

StrikitRich - Absolutely. The reality behind the EU's political doctrines of "ever closer union" and "solidarity" is Soviet Union Lite. It's a kinder, gentler form of creeping totalitarianism. Like America, Europe is becoming less free by the day as the authorites impose an ever-increasing burden of laws, regulations, and bureaucracy on us poor tax slaves.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-09-12 09:08:53 AM  
I suppose the EU needs a new bureaucracy, L'Academie Europeenne perhaps, to enforce proper spelling and pronunciation.

But the result will be unrecognizable as a symbol of European union in a country where "euro" is not the initial four letters of the local word for "Europe" and the "eu" sound is not pronounced as in English.
 
2004-09-12 09:12:34 AM  
The Euro is a large chunk of crap anyway. Adopting a new currency is one step closer to one single worldwide currency. It also takes away from something cultural that belongs to any one country in the first place.
What's the purpose of this anyway other than to save somebody the time it takes to get some money exchanged?
The Euro cheapens currency enough as it is.

/I sense the use of "Stellar Credits" by the year 2050.
 
2004-09-12 09:14:08 AM  
Eurodollar? I think somebody has been playing too much Cyberpunk 2020. There was no "dollar" in the name, ever.
 
2004-09-12 09:19:16 AM  
Pfil:

It has never indeed been called eurodollar, which is a completely different thing. The original definition of eurodollar is a bank deposit of US dollars in a non-US (back then European, now anywhere in the world) bank. Apparently the US media has gotten things very very mixed up (thanks FOX News!!).
 
2004-09-12 09:19:46 AM  
Just for clarity, german currency should be the germmark.. how dare they call it the deutschemark, when everyone spells their country name 'germany'
 
2004-09-12 09:20:34 AM  
you have euro and eurodollar confused....in 1998

"It is our belief that there is a simple solution to the problems which currencies are causing the international economy. Within the next ten years the Euro should be merged with the Dollar to create a Eurodollar, which would act as a single currency for both the United States and Europe, and eventually for the rest of the world."
 
2004-09-12 09:33:43 AM  
TBF, I remember when they were deciding what to call it, they mooted Eurodollar. But then its a retarded idea, so they dropped it.

outofit - GB isn't in the currency union at all; just the other stuff the EU does.

/money without the queen's head on it? Not money.
//best argument against monetary inification evar.
 
2004-09-12 09:36:31 AM  
I thought it was 'esperanto'.
 
2004-09-12 09:46:35 AM  
you spell tomato, I spell tomato
 
2004-09-12 09:48:52 AM  
The U.S. should adopt the euro. That would really fark them.
 
2004-09-12 09:52:16 AM  
It's funny that the article hints towards the idea that the plural should universally be "euros"... in Hungarian (which is not an Indo-European language, believe it or not; neither is Estonian for that matter) plurals are formed with -k. So the plural of Euro would be Eurok. Also it seems silly to quibble over the accented o -- Hungarian reformed its spelling in the 19th century, so spelling and pronunciation are wonderfully consistent. The accented o is not a stress but makes the vowel longer.

/not that you care

//Yeah, the Euro is just part of the Tri-lateral Commission's conspiracy to make us all One-Worlders, John Birch was right, socialism sucks, those poor Europeans getting healthcare paid for by the state and having all that subsidized public transportation... we'll liberate them next.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2004-09-12 10:05:36 AM  
The U.S. should adopt the Euro, disavow the national debt causing a currency collapse, and then re-adopt the dollar. End result: strong dollar and worthless euro. Iraq would be able to buy France.
 
2004-09-12 10:21:53 AM  
Mmmm... euros. Please pass the cucumber sauce.
 
2004-09-12 10:24:31 AM  
Pronunciation of the word "Euro" is left up to the individual countries. Indeed in Germany it is Oy-ro. So asking them to all spell it the same doesn't mean they are breaking the spelling/pronuncation rules of their country... They'll just have to pronounce the currency's name as they would pronounce "euro". Hungarians (as Obscure pointed out) will just pronounce it with a shorter O sound.
 
2004-09-12 10:27:56 AM  
Dammit! It's spelled euroe
Hasn't anyone been paying attention to Dan Quayle?
 
2004-09-12 10:41:25 AM  
I like the gold color dollar here in the USA. It has an
American Indian on it, a woman. In a few years, people
will realize that there's an Indian on it, and everyone
in California will go ballistic, yell about how it's
discrimination, degrading to Indians, whatever... and
they'll have the gold coin cancelled and banned. And in
a few years each gold dollar will be worth maybe $10,000
each or something.

You just can't get the same "PC wack job" leverage from
a Euro.
 
2004-09-12 10:44:42 AM  
I think they should call it an EMU, for European Monetary Unit. Then they can put a picture of a huge, flightless bird on the back and have a competitor to the Canadian Loonie.
 
2004-09-12 10:48:37 AM  
Umm... if they want uniformity, why don't they just do what Prince did, and use a glyph. Oral conversation isn't hampered by this solution either; all member nations will call the coins/bills/whatever "the currency formerly known as Franc/Mark/Lira." Non-member nations, the U.K., all countries outside of Europe, and especially the U.S. will refer to the currency as "that crap France and Germany talked everybody else into using."

/that wasn't inciteful, was it?
 
Ike [TotalFark]
2004-09-12 11:08:19 AM  
I'm still amused that the casual observer might hear Germans talking about "das Oi", as the letter combination is pronounced phonetically.

Example: Small child drops a &euro 1 coin, says, "Mein Oi!"
 
2004-09-12 11:09:52 AM  
More insightful than you think, Cappy Red.
 
2004-09-12 11:27:20 AM  
I find it amusing that they're so deferential to "Cultural Diversity" when it comes from France, but when it's the Eastern European countries, the EU beaurocracy just gives them a hearty "fark you!".
 
2004-09-12 11:27:53 AM  
I.T. spells it, Duh.
 
2004-09-12 11:39:22 AM  
harbo

Pfil:

It has never indeed been called eurodollar, which is a completely different thing. The original definition of eurodollar is a bank deposit of US dollars in a non-US (back then European, now anywhere in the world) bank. Apparently the US media has gotten things very very mixed up (thanks FOX News!!).


*DING* We have a winner!

Good work Harbo, and thanx for saving me the effort.
 
2004-09-12 11:41:06 AM  
This is what cracks me up about English. When we incorporate new words into our language these days at least, we almost always try to be proper and sensitive and keep the proper native spelling if we can, even if it creates problems among native speakers who aren't familiar with the word. Other languages usually modify new words to their own spellings. "Leader" became, for instance, "lider" (with accent) in Spanish. And then take Iraq. The French and Spanish (others) write it "Irak," which is closer to how it's said among Westerners anyway. And I won't even start on Qur'an and Koran (the former an example of trying to be "correct" and "sensitive").

Let them spell it their own way, as far as I'm concerned. No one ever confuses dollar and dolar (with accent, again--Fark doesn't like accents, if I remember correctly).
 
2004-09-12 11:48:11 AM  
Oh, and how could I forget "futbol"?
 
2004-09-12 12:43:33 PM  
bjalfi
let's not give too much credit/slack (depending on your view) to english regarding our sensitivity with adopting foreign words. for instance, the fbi is looking for usama bin laden, but the news networks are more concerned with a fellow name "osama". saddam has different stress on his name every time i hear it and occasionally a different first vowel (sometimes like "a" in "sad" or like 2nd "a" in "facade"). iraq's "a" gets the same treatment and sometimes even gets a cringe-inducing stressed long "I". god.
but our english spelling is so arbitrary that maybe we are doing the words honor with our similar treatment :)
 
2004-09-12 12:44:03 PM  
Well in Slovenia they call it "evro" That is the correct transliteration of the greek EYPO (eu is pronounced ef or ev in greek)

I only don't find this suprising because this is far from the most petty euro-bureaucrat instance I have seen
 
2004-09-12 12:49:26 PM  
YUGO!
 
2004-09-12 01:15:13 PM  
http://europa.eu.int/comm/economy_finance/euro/faqs/faqs_main_en.htm

It gets a bit messed up as it is when it comes to pluralization. The "E" can be capitalized or not capitalized depending on the country (small "e" in English). If you look at a list of how it's spelled in different countries, the word can be seen spelt differently according to article and plural conventions.

As long as they have the alphabet, why not? They'll still pronounce it the way they want to and tap on language rules as necessary.
 
2004-09-12 01:16:25 PM  
Asked about the plural, Zalm admitted he wasn't sure whether euro or euros was considered proper.

At a news conference later, Trichet said there was "no legal definition" relating to plurals. The EU's executive Commission originally suggested euros in French and Spanish, but euro in English, although it notes that spelling departs from usual English practice and is often ignored in common usage.


So, in English the plural would just be "Euro"? I guess it lost the "s" to the word "maths" (Here in the U.S., "math" is both the singular and the plural).
 
2004-09-12 01:29:15 PM  
Umm.. Cultural history isnt worth the prospect of not killing each other. There's a difference between forgetting history and to stop practicing elements of culture. I'm fortunate to have no emotional ties to any past culture. It's asking a lot of people who hold their culture dear to drop it, but it is killing millions of people a year. Very often culture is culture of hate and violence. Stop it, but don't forget it. Hear me Africa? Middle east?

(disclaimer: religion and culture are not identical, but they are very much intertwined. I strongly encourage people to drop their religion but keep their faith. If you don't know what that means, I suggest you find out.)
 
2004-09-12 02:02:05 PM  
yuuroh?
 
2004-09-12 02:05:25 PM  
you don't want it!!!....
 
2004-09-12 02:21:15 PM  
The word "euro" is already pronounced differently in most EU states

In french it is "euhro'", in greek it is "evro" i don't know for sure but in german it must me "oyro" English puts a Y sound at the front ie "yuro"

Trust eurobureaucrats to nitpick on a spelling issue when so much else is at stake :/
 
2004-09-12 02:22:33 PM  
Thank god for the euro. I really don't want to have to change currency when I walk 10 minutes over to germany for a beer..

Anyway, if the EU actually unifies governments and the individual countries relax their laws, great. If the countries do nothing to relax their regulation, yeah, the EU is just more regulation on top of old.

There are many, many advantages to a shared currency and free trade... Sorry if american tourists don't like the idea of having the "character" of individual currencies being taken away...
 
2004-09-12 02:56:23 PM  
@Snarfangel EMU is already taken, it's the acronym for the European Monetary Union, which collapsed some time ago thanks to that Soros chap; the chief reason the Brits are still hanging on to the pound - the collapse of the EMU saw steep devaluation of the stirling. The euro's precursor was called the ECU, the European Currency Unit, so you're almost right on the mark.

The plural of "Euro" is "Euro" according to the EU's translation bureau - Zalm should know this, seeing as he oversaw the propaganda operations for the introduction of the Euro in the Netherlands (which was the most succesful campaign in the Euro-region).

As far as a single currency goes, actually it just takes sovereignity away from countries that used to have their own currency. While it may promote economic stability in one sense (the Belgian currency won't collapse when there's some political scandal) they took away an economical instrument to react to market conditions in very different economies. The rate of the Euro versus the dollar, yen, etc. is the same all over Europe, but the local economy might have vastly differing inflation, joblessness, etc. - all of which now need to be compensated for by other political means (such as taxation). If the Euro-countries economies all resembled each other a lot, and if tax codes were uniform, the Euro would have made a lot more sense.
 
2004-09-12 03:01:11 PM  
I think it should be Eoroe.
I'm a fan of using palindromes wherever possible in creating new words.
 
2004-09-12 10:33:21 PM  
They could have avoided all this, and have the British and other dissenters in the Euro by now:

Simple solution; allow all member countries to maintain their own notes and call them what they like but assign all base units parity in value. You could even have them printed at a central source so the money supply is kept in check. No nationalist or emotional arguments to deal with, simply questions of economic probity and prudence.

As it is, I'm glad they didn't, the Pound is a major currency largely because we are not tied into the Euro.
 
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