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2004-09-11 11:03:08 AM
 
2004-09-11 11:03:31 AM
elchip -

Dude... I lived there, it took me 6 weeks just to get back into my apartment to see what could be salvaged, and the day i got back w/ FEMA and the National Guard Escorts we had to be evacuated because the building nextdoor caught fire (again) from the core at the bit that was still burning.
I dont care what sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory you believe in - I'm just sharing what I experienced.

respect.
 
2004-09-11 11:03:39 AM
2004-09-11 09:44:35 AM hell123456789


I just now remembered it's 9/11. Good job Fark.

Me too. I was more interested in what time it is. Really though, it doesn't matter to me when the anniversary is. I'm still gonna live my life like I always did. Which doesn't mean I'm ignoring it.

Look, I'm 15. I was twelve when this happened, and I'm gonna carry it around with me for the rest of my life. It's my "monkey rule". Not a day goes by without me thinking of it. (The original rule is you can't go an entire day without any reference to monkeys.) It's a part of me that can't be changed. Everything to me is Pre-9/11 or Post-9/11.

With that, I'll go on, treating this just like any day. Remembering 9/11 a lot, regardless.
 
2004-09-11 11:04:24 AM
HowlingFrog

Yeah, pools of melted steel were found there.
At the base of both towers, and Building 7.
What melted the steel? Jet fuel, building materials and office furnishings don't burn near hot enough.
Think about it.
Steel frame buildings have burned before; they never collapsed, and the steel doesn't melt.


Armchair engineers, fark off, you're only pissing people off with your totally ignorant claims.
 
2004-09-11 11:04:25 AM
I'm going to ignore the political rhetoric here, but I have to say, this Monkeyflingingpoo guy does a disservice to conservatives with these idiotic statements. He makes all conservatives look bad. This guy has some anger issues and needs serious therapy. Dude stop worrying about whatever it is that makes you angry and get some help.

Anyway, I saw the towers fall myself (not on TV), I saw the second plane fly in...I went back to my apartment and started sobbing. I knew thousands of people had just died and in my sheltered American lifestyle, I never imagined I'd ever see any such thing. For awhile afterward I would try and tell people from out of the area that I had seen it with my own 2 eyes and that it had affected me profoundly. Their response? 'Oh, I saw it too, on TV.' Seeing it on TV wasn't the same. I don't know why, it just wasn't.

I had a German girl as a roommate back then...she was out of town but I had agreed to let her 2 friends from Germany stay with us for a week. Neither of them spoke English. I still wonder what they must have thought when I walked in the door and sat down and bawled like a baby.

Two days later I was at a bar near Union Sq and I just started crying again. A total stranger walked up to me and put his hand on my shoulder and said, "it's okay". That was it. But you know what? It was okay. I think I cried the first time I took an E train too, and saw the WTC end of line sign on it. No one even noticed.

The odd thing? I didn't know anyone who perished in the towers, not a one. My Dad in Boston? He knew 3 people on the planes, including one of the pilots.
 
2004-09-11 11:04:27 AM
Happy 9/11 everyone! Because of what happened three years ago, we've captured Osama Bin Laden and worldwide terrorism has seen a steady decline! In just a few years, I'm sure terrorism will go the way of the dinosaur.

Seriously, all that's happened is we've "liberated" a country that didn't want to be and lost many of our civil rights. Osama is alive and well, as is terrorism. Many countries hate the US more than they ever have before, and if nothing is done about that, as soon as they have the technology to get us back, they will. And do any of you feel safer with security at our airports? It's a ruse, and we all know it.

Infiltrating terrorist networks is only part of the whole solution. We need to understand what makes a person so desperate that they turn to terrorism. When situations get extreme, people take extreme measures. I'm not saying that terrorism is ever justified. What I'm saying is that there's more to it than, "Those people are crazy." If we know the roots, we can prevent a lot of it.
 
2004-09-11 11:04:53 AM
Alexandra, It's all horse shiat. Just like Pearle Harbor. It is a fact FDR knew the attacks were coming. We had broken their codes. You can look at all the transmissions from the Japanese for every day after Dec. 7th. but anything before that is classified. The military industrial complex and the international banking families are behind all of these "diabolical" deeds.

It is the New World Order crowd. Investigate the CFR, The Federal Reserve, the Bilderberg Group, and The Project For the New American Century. Look at the membership. It is the "elite". Rich and Royals.

They want a One World Government.

They already got the European Union.

Asian Union is being worked up.

The Pan American Union is just around the corner.

Go to www.infowars.com, that's a good place to start.
 
2004-09-11 11:05:17 AM
I remember people joking about how incompetent the 1993 WTC bombers were.
I remember how patiently they planned and waited for another 8 years.
 
2004-09-11 11:06:02 AM
FCUK bin Laden
 
2004-09-11 11:06:15 AM
2004-09-11 10:13:29 AM j0n_w4gn3r

Sanderling68

dont quit your day job to become an author. it was a touch dramatic. and a touch corny.



What a farkin asshole you are. This guy poured his heart out about what happened to him metres from the centre of the events that we are remembering today and you berate him like a teacher. What a farkin asshole.

Love and best wishes from Northern Ireland.

P.S. Please stop the killing in Iraq - have you learned nothing from the lessons in Northern Ireland? I grew up in a town which suffered bombs at least twice a year; news stories every night of people being killed and blown to bits; and the reaction of your President is to go and kill more civilians who had nothing whatsoever to do with this dastardly deed? The world is turning into a nasty place folks! Please do what you can to stop this horrible plague that is festering on our beautiful planet!
 
2004-09-11 11:06:52 AM
all you conspiracy theory idiots need to shut the fark up.... If you did any independant research instead of looking for some conspiracy, you'd be a little better off... I kind of got pulled into that 9/11 conspiracy garbage for a couple days, but if you research like "debunk 9/11 conspiracy" and such, you'll find some helpful stuff... Like photos the conspiracy theorists leave out at the Pentago of plane parts on the grounds, which those sites leave out and claim there were none.... They also ignore the at least dozens of eye witnesses on the interstate, just a few feet below the plane.... And about the WTC... I as much as I detest CNN, I was watching a video from the day earlier, when a producer called in to report some first hand experiences... And talks about seeing the building buckle as theses people were jumping etc.... It seems experts would have been everywhere saying the building couldn't have "melted", for lack of a better word, if it were true, and something else happened, but it's important to note that this CNN person saw the building buckle after the impact of one of the towers.... Check out that search I mentioned earlier, and snopes and about.com and stop the conspiracy theory garbage...
 
2004-09-11 11:06:55 AM
is it too late to learn something from this?
 
2004-09-11 11:07:45 AM
I'm surprised there aren't more personal pics from NYers posted on here. I'm also surprised this thread hasn't maxed out yet.
 
2004-09-11 11:08:03 AM
I work as a defense contractor on a Navy base. That morning I heard a rumor about a plane crashing into the first tower so I headed to our Operational Control Center to check it out on CNN. I stood shocked, unable to move as the second tower and the Pentagon were hit. There were false reports of a car bomb at the State Department and reports that the National Mall in DC was on fire. The Navy took over the site around noon. All but a few key civillians were told to leave the base while we brought up our radars and provided Air Traffic Control for the endless stream of fighters scrambled from the numerous air bases around here.
 
2004-09-11 11:08:07 AM
Well, K is an asshole. That's all I've learned from that thread.
 
2004-09-11 11:08:07 AM
Weakner, from Fark? Probably, by about a couple years :P
 
2004-09-11 11:08:15 AM
I remember being at work, my coworker turned to me and said 'Somebody just flew a plane into some building in new york' and I laughed, thinking it was a hoax.

I remember an hour or so later hearing somebody tell me the same thing and saying 'wasn't that a hoax' and then going looking.

I remember one of my friends who was at the time posting a picture from his office every day or two posting this picture.



I remember reading news all night, desperately trying to call friends in new York. Hanging out for news from friends of friends.

I remember 10 hours afterwards getting to the gym and seeing about 20 televisions tuned to news channels and people in gym clothes standing stunned on treadmills not moving as they realised what was going on.

Then I remember hearing that bush was going into Iraq and going 'WTF? Osama and Saddam farking hate each other, why are we looking for him there?'

I remember when they had Saddam in cuffs, and I remember that they still don't have the one responsible for 9/11.
 
2004-09-11 11:08:50 AM
HomerJaySimpson [TotalFark]

Nice sirak
Let's forget the nice remberence so you can post your stupid arse opinion.
What's the matter, the AOL boards kick you off?


Maybe Sirak is just angry that Bush's policies have killed many times the number of civilians killed on 9/11.
 
2004-09-11 11:09:03 AM
Worst day of my entire life.

I had just come back from PT (Physical Training) at the US Navy Recruiting School in Pensacola FL. They had all the TVs on with this. We were all shaken (obviously). Went back to my dorm room for lunch and called my family. My parents are irrational in that whenever anything like this happens, they want to know if I'm all right (even if I'm several thousand miles away). Called my older brother as well. He had some unpleasant news for me.

My twin brother had been in Germany to visit his wife at Ramstein Air Base. She had to stay, but he flew back. On Sept 11.

Have you ever truly experienced the phrase "my world just stopped"?

It was several hours before I could find out that he was not, in fact, on any of those planes.

Later, he told me that his flight had left Germany and was over the Atlantic when it turned back to the east. He used to work on C-141s as an Air Force Crew Chief, so he was somewhat more sensitive to this. At the same time, he noticed they were dumping fuel, as well. He had been worried that they had been hijacked (ironic, I suppose).

Anyway, it took him several days to get back stateside.

I don't talk to my brother(s) as much as I probably should, but if either (twin especially) were to die in something like this, I'm not sure I could continue myself.

Peace to all.
 
2004-09-11 11:09:10 AM
SanMan, thank you for your service before, during, and after.
 
2004-09-11 11:09:19 AM
2004-09-11 11:03:31 AM Sanderling68

elchip -

Dude... I lived there, it took me 6 weeks just to get back into my apartment to see what could be salvaged, and the day i got back w/ FEMA and the National Guard Escorts we had to be evacuated because the building nextdoor caught fire (again) from the core at the bit that was still burning.
I dont care what sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory you believe in - I'm just sharing what I experienced.

respect.


I don't actually believe in the link I posted. That's why my link text used the cliche conspiracy theorist's saying, "That's what they WANT you to think!"

Although, seriously, if jet fuel burns at 210 degrees C, how did the steel, which doesn't lose structural integrity until 600 degrees C, break down?

Or did it not melt, and the gaping holes in the towers (caused simply by the collisions) destroyed enough structural supports that the upper floors, causing the eventual collapse?

If so, what caused the remains to smolder at 1000 degrees C? Convection, or something?

(I'm not denying the official story, I'm just curious.)
 
2004-09-11 11:09:22 AM
"Three years ago, on September 12, 2001, Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked how the previous days terror attacks in New York and Washington would affect relations between Israel and the United States. It's very good, he said.

Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy. The attack, Mr. Netanyahu explained, would strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive haemorrhaging of terror.

Common wisdom has it that after September 11, a new era of geo-politics was ushered in, defined by what is usually called the Bush Doctrine: pre-emptive wars, attacks on terrorist infrastructure (read: entire countries), an insistence that all the enemy understands is force. In fact it would be more accurate to call this rigid world-view The Likud Doctrine. What happened on September 11 2001 is that the Likud Doctrine, previously targeted against Palestinians, was picked up by the most powerful nation on Earth and applied on a global scale.

Call it the Likudization of the world, the real legacy of September 11."
--Naomi Klein
 
2004-09-11 11:09:33 AM
Gen_Turgidson

Alexandra, It's all horse shiat. Just like Pearle Harbor.



Before I set you to ignore, I refreshed. Apparently that was a mistake.

You're not attempting to denounce Pearl Harbor??????

Man, is it your goal today to just piss off EVERYONE who has even the tiniest bit of national pride?????
 
2004-09-11 11:10:05 AM
Gen_Turgidson: I know. I visit the PrisonPlanet site quite a bit. That's pretty freaky stuff.
 
2004-09-11 11:10:46 AM
I remember that I was working on the seawater intake pumps for the reverse-osmosis freshwater plant at a station I was living at in Antarctica. There wasn't any TV feed there at the time, so we were picking up details from the home office via INMARSAT -- either that or we were getting details over the radio from the Brits at Rothera station. I took note, and I kept on working. After all, I was responsible for maintaining the equipment that made living at that station possible, and making fresh water for the other 20 people at the station was a little more important to me at the time.

The odd thing is that I didn't get back to the states until October, and by then the media had put a stop to showing any 9/11 footage. I didn't see any footage from 9/11 until almost a year later.
 
2004-09-11 11:11:10 AM


Simple quiet reverance. That's all.
 
2004-09-11 11:11:38 AM
"Here in Europe it happened about 3 o'clock local time in the afternoon. From that moment on to late in the evening, normal life on the streets just stopped and everybody was inside watching tv. Everybody was shocked."


Why?

I understand why we Americans were shocked. But if planes had flown into the Kremlin, or downed those towers in Taiwan or whatever, people in America would have just gone on with their daily lives as usual. Even today after it's happened to us, I don't think we'd all be glued to the TV. Some of us would I suppose simply for the same reason that we watch high speed chases or some guy in a bulldozer destorying a small town, but nothing like you describe.
 
2004-09-11 11:12:12 AM
I remember having tears in my eyes...

I remember wanting revenge...

Didn't we all...
 
2004-09-11 11:12:49 AM
Here's a pic I made but hadn't gotten a chance to use...

 
2004-09-11 11:12:57 AM
2004-09-11 11:08:03 AM SanMan

There were false reports of a car bomb at the State Department and reports that the National Mall in DC was on fire.

I forgot all about that! I wonder how those rumors even started.
 
2004-09-11 11:13:56 AM
rabair, I guess it was a "conspiracy" that the CIA was running a drill on 9-11 where planes were flying into the WTC and Pentagon. This was the reason NORAD stood down.

Wake up you tool.
 
2004-09-11 11:14:14 AM
Chibisuke - simply, we didn't know that was true of you until recently. I think we felt we were all in it together. Sadly, the upshot of this atrocity was that we no longer can. Not to mention that every country in Europe lost people in those towers.
 
2004-09-11 11:14:37 AM
Although, seriously, if jet fuel burns at 210 degrees C, how did the steel, which doesn't lose structural integrity until 600 degrees C, break down?

Or did it not melt, and the gaping holes in the towers (caused simply by the collisions) destroyed enough structural supports that the upper floors, causing the eventual collapse?

If so, what caused the remains to smolder at 1000 degrees C? Convection, or something?

(I'm not denying the official story, I'm just curious.)


I've seen at least two different documentaries that go into detail about the superstructure, the fire, etc. and how it led to total collapse of the towers. Check PBS listings and you'll probably see a documentary lined up. I recommend checking it out.
 
2004-09-11 11:15:35 AM
elchip, there was a whole thing on NOVA about it. the intitial impact of the plane shattering just completely blew all the fireproofing off the beams in the building. then they all started buckling under the pressure of the upper floors. scary stuff. that program sent shivers down my spine.
 
2004-09-11 11:15:45 AM
I miss my friends
 
2004-09-11 11:16:05 AM
goodtimes

i will say it again...i am aware saddam was not in on 9/11
but to say there is no link at all is not well thought out


You just won't google 'no credible link', will you?

This will give you sources for Osama and Saddam having nothing to do with each other.

Sure, it's not right to say there's no link at all. There's just no link with any credibility.
 
2004-09-11 11:16:08 AM
senorcoffee happy birthday!
 
2004-09-11 11:16:56 AM
Why does remembering September 11th hate our freedom?
 
2004-09-11 11:17:16 AM
Could everyone stop the partisan bickering FOR ONCE?

3,000 New Yorkers. DEAD.

I'll never forget where I was, all the internet news sites were farked, so I rushed to the college library to see what was going on. 200 miles from where I stood, my fellow NYers were dying. And I wondered to myself, "What the hell is happening?"

 
2004-09-11 11:17:56 AM
Memo to Cable News...

Don't let Ed Koch speak anymore... I was really feeling good until he just started his usual "un-american" rant on Fox.

If I see one more old geezer look into camera and yell "WE ARE AT WAR PEOPLE!!!!!"...

p.s. - Go Blue.
 
2004-09-11 11:18:03 AM
Weakner [TotalFark]

elchip, there was a whole thing on NOVA about it. the intitial impact of the plane shattering just completely blew all the fireproofing off the beams in the building. then they all started buckling under the pressure of the upper floors. scary stuff. that program sent shivers down my spine.


Yeah that is the documentary I was thinking about. I also recommend trying to catch NOVA's excellent X-Plane episode.
 
2004-09-11 11:18:10 AM
Weird thing tho... the college I was attending at the time would shut down for little things all the time: floods, ice, etc. It wasn't unusual for them to cancel class because of some little thing.

I had just started the semester the week before and hadn't bought my economics book yet, or gone online and reviewed the notes, or taken notes to begin with. I remember having a silly thought about "I hope they have some stupid reason to close the school down tomorrow so I have time to get my stuff together and not bomb the first test in this class." Not a serious thought, but the kind of silly thought you have when you know you haven't done what you were supposed to do and there's no hope to rectify it.

That was Sep. 10. Total coincidence, but creepy in retrospect.

Still didn't get my Econ book that day (student bookstores closed down too, you know, because the terrorists place a high priority on low-value targets in bumfark nowhere.) Did study online, though.

But the point is - we honor you, WTC and Pentagon peeps and unlucky air commuters. They still haven't caught all your killers, and both parties of your leadership are still whoring your memory for political gain, but you all will have a special place in our hearts forever.

You guys have been exalted to the level of martyrs, which is remarkably unusual and respectful for this nation's culture. You didn't die for a good reason, but you didn't die in vain, either. For a short time there, strangers all over the world came together in friendship and helped other strangers out because of the sympathy and respect they held for you, and so you guys unknowingly accomplished something magical that hasn't been replicated to this day.

And, on Thursday, Sep. 13, I went in and aced that Econ test.

/Pretty sure that some people will get pissed over this one, but I'm being sincere and honest; it really happened. If it offends you tho, I apologize -- scroll down to the next inevitable "I watched CNN all day and pissed my pants in fear" reflection
 
2004-09-11 11:18:16 AM
GET OVER IT.
 
2004-09-11 11:18:20 AM
So... when is the last time GWB actually mentioned the name Osama Bin Laden?
 
2004-09-11 11:18:33 AM
2004-09-11 11:13:56 AM Gen_Turgidson

rabair, I guess it was a "conspiracy" that the CIA was running a drill on 9-11 where planes were flying into the WTC and Pentagon. This was the reason NORAD stood down.

I've read that they were running a drill of a plane flying into a building, but not a drill of the detail that you speak of.

Of course, I've never seen any remotely credible source claim this... only conspiracy theory pages that link other conspiracy theory pages.
 
2004-09-11 11:18:33 AM
I was watching Fox News the other day. They were covering hurricane Ivan. And they had to have a Republican and a Democrat to be "fair and balanced". It was ridiculous.
 
2004-09-11 11:19:18 AM
elchp,

Jet fuel ignites at 210 C but it will burn much hotter. Plus, there is all the other cumbustibles in the building. The fire got hot enough to cause the metal supports of the towers to actually catch fire.

The towers actually did what they were designed to do. They "pancaked", that is, they fell floor by floor all the way to the ground. The terrorists wanted to toplle them to cause more damage to other buildings nearby. They even struck at the right angles to maximize damage to other buildings when the towers toppled.

When metals, eapecially steel and aluminum burn, there is almost a "China Syndrome" effect. Metals will slowly burn for days, even weeks, before they are extinguished.

In the Navy, I learned a lot about firefighting. Everyone on the ship has to be a competent firefighter, because you can't dial 911 out at sea. Burning metal is the worst type of fire and the only way to extinguish it that we were taught was to jetison the material over the side, let it burn through the hull and then patch the holes, or contain it until it burns itself out.

Hope this helps.
 
2004-09-11 11:19:21 AM
i'll never forget september 11th 2001, i took some LSD around 4 am that day and i was tripping hard when i saw the world trade center come down, i didn't know if it was some really good lsd that made me see this on tv or what it was insane
 
2004-09-11 11:19:29 AM
My my friends rest in peace.
 
2004-09-11 11:20:02 AM
daveuf

Wow, way to dispute facts.
Deal, though. I'll put a lid on it this thread.

rabair

No, the towers swayed slightly at impact, as they were designed to do. And why bring up a CNN reporter who saw "the tower buckle" without mentioning the eyewitness FOX employee who stated emphatically (twice) that "it was definately not a commercial jetliner, it had no windows". Said he clearly saw a blue logo on the front of it. That was run ONCE on FOX News, and then pulled.

And that's all I'll say about it on this thread.

It's a remembrance thread, but remembering the victims while swallowing lies about who victimized them does them neither honor nor justice.

Frog out.
 
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