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(WDP)   James Bond used to be a girly man   ( divider line
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2004-09-08 10:58:51 AM  
Boothroyd actually got to make those observations as a character. Major Boothroyd was the title of the armourer in Dr. No. Peter Burton played him in the movie treatment only to be followed by Desmond Llewelyn, who appeared in more 007 movies than anyone to date.

/RIP Desmond
2004-09-08 02:31:01 PM  
Hmm, and I always thought he was a closet homosexual who had to constantly prove his manhood to himself and others to lay to rest the demons of his natural biological urges.

You can just see him thinking throughout the movies:
Yeah, eight chicks at once! That's what real men who don't fark other men in the ass do. I'll do nine next time! That will throw off the doubters.

Does a faggot drive a cool looking car like THIS? No, and James Bond ain't no assmastering sissy. He's a REAL MAN! A man who has sex with women. Christ, who am I kidding. It's transparent, everyone knows. I better go get a faster car.

/woohoo for extreme sexual politics
2004-09-08 03:06:36 PM  
Actually SMH, (IIRC) Bond was constantly laying into hot poon to fill the void left by his first wife and one true love, who was killed. At least that's Fleming seemed to justify it.
2004-09-08 03:14:38 PM  
At least that's Fleming seemed to justify it.

Is that like how in the 70s a "dead spouse" on a sitcom meant "divorce".
2004-09-08 03:30:49 PM  
He sent an autographed copy to his weapons advisor:

In it he wrote: "To Geoffrey Boothroyd. Herewith Appointed 'Armourer' to J. Bond."
2004-09-08 05:59:57 PM  
an economic girly-man?
2004-09-08 06:11:42 PM  
He also used to be George Lazenby, but we don't hold that against him.
2004-09-08 06:12:44 PM  
IIRC, Bond defends his use of the .25 by saying it's slim handle and small frame make it easier to wear under a dinner jacket/tux/etc. and it won't give away the fact that he's armed.
2004-09-08 06:13:23 PM  
This was in the books, not any of the movies.
2004-09-08 06:13:32 PM  
[image from too old to be available]

You are all gurly mon!
2004-09-08 06:14:04 PM  
Well, .25 autos really are purse guns. I guess they are adequate for close-range assassinations, though.

Speaking of Girly Men, has anybody here ever watched a split screen of Schwarzenegger giving a speech side-by-side with Adolph Hitler giving a speech, with no audio? The similarities in their gestures and grimaces are uncanny.
2004-09-08 06:18:11 PM  
Now look here, old man, James Bond doesn't need anything more than a .25. After all, you don't get a license to kill if you don't know where to put the bullet, what?

/not really a James Bond fan, actually.
2004-09-08 06:18:18 PM  
didnt read the article but The West Wing has taught me that ordering a martini "shaken, not stirred" is ordering a weaker drink.
2004-09-08 06:18:53 PM  
What is this "revealed yesterday" crap? This story is as old as the hills. As someone else pointed out, in the novel Dr. No Boothroyd's comments were incorporated into the novel. And I read an article on this whole subject, especially the "ladies gun" bit in an article published in an anthology back in the mid 70's. So this is far from a recent revelation.

/avid Bond fan
//couldn't tell could you?
///post modern Freudian analysis is crap...especially when applied to thriller novels written for fun and profit.
2004-09-08 06:19:19 PM  
This is pure no 'i truff, man! A'body fae Glagae nos't aw guns are pure pooffy. Real yins use broken buckies an' chuck haufers! 'S guy's no a weegie.

This has to be a Hoax. Every glaswegian knows that all guns are girls weapons. Real men use broken bottles and throw half bricks. This man is not Glaswegian.
2004-09-08 06:20:14 PM  
Does this have anything to do with Orlando Bloom playing Bond in the prequel?

/read the article
2004-09-08 06:20:30 PM  
.25 is the perfect size for close range assassination, and leaves less of a mess. Also as c-nut said much easier to conceal.

A "man" comfortable with himself and his sexuality, would not need a large calibre, to overcome any, "short comings. That is if you hold to the adage of "compensation", i.e. big car, big gun making up for small penis
2004-09-08 06:20:46 PM  

Well, that makes a little sense. Both the Governator and Hitler are Austrian, so it may be partially cultural. If you did the same with many American politicians side by side, you'd see a lot of similarities, too.
2004-09-08 06:22:25 PM  

That's cause they are both Jewish.
2004-09-08 06:23:13 PM  
I think this only proves Bond was secure in his masculinity. Kinda like how he wasn't afraid to wear eye make-up.
2004-09-08 06:23:53 PM  
If you've never bothered to tread any of the books this was in a scene in the movie Dr. No.
2004-09-08 06:24:29 PM  
Not a girly man:

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2004-09-08 06:26:27 PM  
Discussion reminded me of this... made me chuckle from its geyness:

The Guy Who Loathed Me

/Got nothin'.
//Don't ask.
2004-09-08 06:26:55 PM  

Dirty Harry, on the other hand- definitely over compensating? Some shame and self-loathing being hidden behind the clenched teeth?
2004-09-08 06:27:58 PM  
Try again...
2004-09-08 06:28:14 PM  
Only wusses use piddly .25 Berretas.
And people with a big gun are trying to compensate...
[image from too old to be available]
Either way, they both have guns. So I'll keep opinions to myself.
2004-09-08 06:28:52 PM  
Alright, look, lady. As long as we're stuck together, let's get one thing straight, alright?. I'm the guy, alright? I'm the man. I'm the guy. I call the shots, got it? I call the shots, and I fire the shots, comprehendo?
2004-09-08 06:29:06 PM  

Damn you!! You beat me to the joke.
2004-09-08 06:29:57 PM  
Indeed, only a 9 inch diametre for a gun is sufficient, anything less is for girly man!
2004-09-08 06:31:29 PM  
the gun in question:
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2004-09-08 06:33:27 PM  
Secret agents carried small guns for concealibility. The caliber was relatively unimportant, as long as the agent was a good shot at short range, his likely adversary would be out of the fight.

Elsewhere in Bond novels, Bond is shown to be rather picky and priggish, especially about his food and drink. He's actually not a very sympathetic character. He's just a government spy whose wife was killed and who buries himself, and any remaining feelings he might have, in his work.
2004-09-08 06:34:14 PM  
I for one resent the "useless gun" and "girly" used together as one description.

Won't anyone think of the females?

/and I like guns, dammit
2004-09-08 06:35:05 PM  
ahem ... "girlie"

Let's standardize the usage, folks.

Now someone help me unclench.
2004-09-08 06:35:34 PM  
Also, if you take out about a third of the powder from each shell, the .25 becomes a quiet little gun, perfect for dispaching someone at close range without alerting the neighborhood of the fact.

Bond is not gay.
He's an alcoholic misogynist, doomed by his skill and luck to survive situations that kill everybody he comes to care about.
2004-09-08 06:38:06 PM  
Dr Gurney...
Yes, I was quick on the draw, but lacking the visual impact and efficient use of the English language as your was.
2004-09-08 06:38:09 PM  
2004-09-08 06:44:44 PM  
Whatever happened to the Walter PPK?
2004-09-08 06:46:03 PM  
Where is the anti-gun crowd? They're usually here by now.
2004-09-08 06:48:35 PM  
drgurney Mine's bigger ;)

[image from too old to be available]

From Truck Turner (1974). Definitely check it out. One of the best from the blaxploitation era. And if you wanna see Uhura as something other than a receptionist on the Enterprise, peep this.
2004-09-08 06:51:53 PM  
Where is the anti-gun crowd? They're usually here by now.

They're busy Googling data to whine about when getting their knickers in a bunch over the expiration of the assault weapons ban.
2004-09-08 06:53:27 PM  

I got to check one of those out at a gun show. farkING HUGE. Christ almighty. Actually, its one of the few revolvers that fit comfortably in my hand.
2004-09-08 06:53:50 PM  
2004-09-08 06:34:14 PM esblondie2: Won't anyone think of the females?

You mean, moreso than we normally do?

I'm not sure that's possible...
2004-09-08 06:54:38 PM  
Bond a girly man?

That would explain Pierce Brosnan in the roll.
2004-09-08 06:56:12 PM  
I haven't read the books, but I heard that Timothy Dalton was actually the Bond MOST like the actual character from the books.

Not all that handsome, rugged, pissy...

I actually didn't mind Dalton. The movies themselves sucked, but Dalton wasn't bad.
2004-09-08 06:57:34 PM  

I hope that missing s in yours was a jab at me.

Cause if so... well played.

Alls else I have to say is anyone who's read one of my annoying posts before knows it's free of proper speeling and grahmaar, and usefulness.
2004-09-08 06:57:59 PM  

From the Oxford Concise:

n. (also girly) (pl. girlies) informal a girl or young woman.
1 (usu. girly) often derogatory like or characteristic of a girl.
2 depicting nude or partially nude young women in erotic poses: girlie magazines.

So there. Heh.
2004-09-08 07:04:02 PM  
That would explain Pierce Brosnan in the roll

What kind of roll?

2004-09-08 07:04:23 PM  
Bond should be carrying the 'perfect' handgun: it was originally invented in 1911 by mister browning.

Interestingly, it was only recently perfected by a Canadian company.

I give you the Para-Ordnance P-14.
2004-09-08 07:06:41 PM  
The letters also reveal that Fleming referred to Bond as a real person and regarded himself as Bond's biographer.
In Fleming's reply to Boothroyd, he said: "Bond has always admitted to me that the .25 Beretta was not a stopping gun, and he places much more reliance on his accuracy with it than in any particular qualities of the gun itself."

2004-09-08 07:07:12 PM  
So wait, Bond's Beretta jammed too much (something most post-war Beretta's don't do, at least none that I've ever seen), and it was too weak. So, the best gun they could replace it with was a Walther PPK (either in .32 or .380 ACP). Ooooh, big improvement. What is it with Europeans and their tiny guns? I swear, if you look at the weapons they were handing out back then, in the various European militaries, to officers, you'd think their entire officer corps was comprised of little old ladies (except the Brits, who kept their .455 revolvers for quite a while). Geez, who the hell came up with the idea that .32 (7.65mm) or .380 (9x17mm) was a sufficient military cartridge? Take the Russians... Rasputin would have gone down at lot easier if the guy who shot him six times was using a real caliber instead of that puny 7.62 Nagent pistol. Besides, the PPK was a piece of junk anyway, with way too much recoil for it to be comfortable to shoot (in .380).
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