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(WDP)   James Bond used to be a girly man   ( divider line
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27062 clicks; posted to Main » on 08 Sep 2004 at 6:07 PM (13 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2004-09-08 07:07:49 PM  
btw, the P14-45 will again be legally importable next Monday! :-)
2004-09-08 07:08:31 PM  
I was always a fan of my S&W 9mm with glasier safety slugs.. be kind to your neighbors, use safety slugs...
2004-09-08 07:12:21 PM  
The 1911 was invented in 1903 (or I should say designed). It was adopted by the US military in 1911.

Regardless, I'm counting down the days until the 13th.
2004-09-08 07:12:46 PM  
'Safety Slugs...' MMMMMM! With Glasier goodness!

Of course the old politically incorrect "Black Talon" has been replaced by the new 'Winchester SXT' which is available if you have contacts...
2004-09-08 07:15:58 PM  
I think the .25cal Walther PPK was perfectly suited for its application. Don't forget a firearm is neccssary for suppressive fire as well as incapacitating (assasins need to kill, spys just need to stop being chased).

I rented a Freedom Arms .50cal magnum once at a firing range...

It made me cry.
2004-09-08 07:18:49 PM  
Only a fool places his trust in something other than the Desert Eagle.

/so many headshots
2004-09-08 07:19:21 PM  
I thought the womanizing was a result of the badguy from Casino Royale taking a racquet to Bond's nads, long before he was married? But it was a while ago that I read the books so I dunno.
2004-09-08 07:19:48 PM  
p.s. Eyesockets make a 'focusing lens' for bullets guiding them right into the recipients brain...a skilled marksman, or someone with the element of surprise could exploit that to make even a small calibre weapon suprisingly lethal.

/"Improve my killing power, eh? I'll do it!"- Homer
2004-09-08 07:21:28 PM  
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: girlie
Variant(s): also girly /'g&r-lE/
Function: adjective
: featuring scantily clothed women

bjalfi, don't step to me with that Oxford shiznite.
2004-09-08 07:21:53 PM  
I've always wanted one of the wood grip .22LR Berettas, because they are so cute. To those who always deride my choice of .22 I say, it's easy to carry and 10 rounds of even the tiny tiny 22 in the face or nuts will just about stop anybody. (plus that second shot is always near the first!)
2004-09-08 07:26:15 PM  
Well it could have been worse, he could have had a previous career running around in his underwear away from a group of crazed, immortal psycho biatches...

Oh wait...
2004-09-08 07:26:57 PM  
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Not only did he carry a girly gun, he spoke French, too.
2004-09-08 07:34:31 PM  
Fey bond?

/got nothin'
2004-09-08 07:50:00 PM  
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first pic that comes up when you GIS "girly man"
2004-09-08 08:09:20 PM  
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What, you couldn't fit this under a tuxedo jacket?
2004-09-08 08:15:52 PM  
Well, what do you expect from an author named Ian Flaaaming!

Dr Gurney, I have nothing but respect for your posts!
2004-09-08 08:19:38 PM  
The Desert Eagle 45 and the S&W Model 500, and the two toughest most badass handguns on the planet, and if you don't own one of them you truly are a girly man. Just about any handgun compared to those two is a pea shooter.

All in all though, I think Bond's PPK is a good choice for a spy. Small and compact. Like some people have said, spies need to be stealthy, and to kill quickly and quietly. The PPK is a good choice for that. Anyone who's shot a DE or 500 knows that even if you shoot guns on a regular basis you can only handle shooting 4 or 5 rounds until your wrist feels like it's about to break, and with 1 shot everyone within a 1/4 mile radius is going to hear you and completely blow your cover. PPK's a siltent, and in the hands of a spy or any skilled marksman can easily be a one shot killer. I wouldn't get a PPK though...a 6'6 guy like me would probably be laughed at if I pulled something like a PPK out :).
2004-09-08 08:20:32 PM  
Everyone knows that the calibre of your gun is inversely proportional to the size of your crank. You show me a guy who brags about the size or stopping power of his weapon and after I'm done banging her, I'll show you his unsatisfied girl.

Putting one silenced tap to the head doesn't require a Desert Eagle.
2004-09-08 08:28:34 PM  
[image from too old to be available]

Sean Connery in Zardoz
2004-09-08 08:30:55 PM  
and after I'm done banging her, I'll show you his unsatisfied girl.

Self-indictment is always the best.
2004-09-08 08:37:08 PM  

Ok my respect for the man just went down a few notches.
2004-09-08 08:39:29 PM  

If you are 6'6", then anything you pull will probably scare the farker away. Chances are, the moran will steer clear simply because of your size.

Me, I need nothing since half the time I look like a bleeding psycho. But I do want, especially the two models you spoke of.

/wants guns, all kinds of guns... and more guns.
//did I mention that I wanted guns?
///13th is only 5 days away...
2004-09-08 08:40:07 PM  
"The best handgun in the world is the one you are actually carrying when you come across a situation where you need it."
--everybody who knows a damned thing about guns

So, a .38 CIA revolver is great.
It'll never catch in your pocket and never jam.

(Hell, a Keltec P3AT is better than nothing!)
2004-09-08 08:41:46 PM  
I thought they were going to talk about Bond's closeted homosexuality... Damn!

Seriously though... in "Casino Royale", the very first book, there's the typical Bond setup... "Ok, here's what we want you to do, here's the guy, here's your beautiful assistant..."

Bond's reaction was something like "A woman? You're sending a woman with me? What am I going to do with a woman, she's only going to get in the way..."

Very funny stuff... given the image.
2004-09-08 08:42:58 PM  
Guns are for the weak. Whenever someone pulls a gun on me, I just flatten them with my gigantic alien-parasite-infected head.
2004-09-08 08:44:58 PM  
I remember the Bond films themselves poking fun at 007's small pistol.

As well as showing his stuborness against the stuffy British Intelligence guys, it also continued the vast referances to James Bonds confidence with his "piece".

/Sarcasm is lost on many.
2004-09-08 09:06:21 PM  

Desert Eagle .45? Not a big fan of the .44 magnum or .50 AE varieties?

I guess we Americans do love our .45s ;-)
2004-09-08 09:08:31 PM  

"after I'm done banging her, I'll show you his unsatisfied girl"

Comedy gold.
2004-09-08 09:20:16 PM  
I had a friend, a big galoot, who was shot 8 farking times with a .25 caliber at close range, including three shots right through his navel. He was only in intensive care for two weeks. I saw him, rather creakily, working out the week after that, and after that I swore I would *never* own a .25 caliber *anything*.
2004-09-08 09:22:47 PM  
.25 can still kill if you hit the right place, and Bond is a spy. Heavy armour gives spys away. You would want something you could hide.
2004-09-08 09:33:23 PM  
I've got one of the Beretta 950 .25 caliber autos (loaded with PPS high-velocity copper jacket ammo) and also the Beretta 21 .22 caliber autos (loaded with CCI Stingers).

They're both accurate little guns. You can easily rapid-fire 8 rounds in a target the size of someone's face at 20 feet in a few seconds.

I linked to the page in a gun-related thread a few days ago, but in case anyone is interested, Dale Towert's Stopping Power Study rated calibers and types of ammunition for actual effectiveness (based on law enforcement records).
2004-09-08 10:11:19 PM  
And another good resource for pistol types and calibers would be the venerable rec.guns FAQ which looks somewhat updated.

This particular guide stresses matching ammunition type to the particular weapon.
2004-09-08 10:11:25 PM  
BeowulfSmith: The PPK is hardly junk. The .380 does not kick badly at all. I have a Sig Sauer P232 in .380, which is basically a PPK. The gun is accurate, easily concealable, has never jammed on me, and never failed to fire. One of the perfect carry guns, IMO. They also look nice.
2004-09-08 10:32:42 PM  
I love my PPK.
2004-09-08 10:45:35 PM  
James Bond also drove a SAAB 900 Turbo for a while...

007's SAAB
2004-09-08 10:57:13 PM  
Odd trivia is that the .22 is a deadlier round than a .25, for an odd reason. It has a habit of nicking internal organs, so you seem to be doing okay, and then a few days later you develop peritonitis and die. It was also the bullet of choice for the mob killer gang known as "The .22 caliber killers", but they preferred to shoot their victims at close range and a lot.
2004-09-08 10:58:02 PM  
2004-09-08 06:19:19 PM Reveilled

This is pure no 'i truff, man! A'body fae Glagae nos't aw guns are pure pooffy. Real yins use broken buckies an' chuck haufers! 'S guy's no a weegie.

An iviry coont kens that ye plukey faced weedjies yaze yon shiate in a swedge cause yir no tough enough fir a square go.
2004-09-08 11:47:48 PM  
PPK's are still girly pistols. There's just not much power behind them. It can't even pass the redneck test for firearms; putting a hole in a street sign.
2004-09-08 11:58:58 PM  
whammer --

Supposedly, a .22 will enter the skull but won't have enough power to leave it so it ends up bouncing through the brain a bit. Another reason for the execution pistol of choice.

Then again, it might be an urban legend.
2004-09-09 12:13:43 AM  

Guns are for the weak. Whenever someone pulls a gun on me, I just flatten them with my gigantic alien-parasite-infected head.

Nice The Head reference.

"Ve are Hanz und Franz, und ve are heer to Pamp Yu Ap!"
"Hallo, yu leetle girlee man!"
2004-09-09 12:51:50 AM  
BeowulfSmith: The PPK is hardly junk. The .380 does not kick badly at all. I have a Sig Sauer P232 in .380, which is basically a PPK. The gun is accurate, easily concealable, has never jammed on me, and never failed to fire. One of the perfect carry guns, IMO. They also look nice.

I like the size of the pistol, but I still don't like the way it recoils (with the light weight and blowback action making a bad combo, imho). Also, from reading reviews, I'm clearly not the only one either. But, if it works for you, that's great. Also, while the P232 is based on the PPK, it has quite a few improvements to the old design. Interestingly enough, I've seen reviews complaining that the recoil of the P232 in .380 is much worse than the in the P239 in 9mm, despite only being a little smaller (again due to the blowback design). Of course that comes from the the P239 weighing more than 1.5 times as much (25oz to 16oz) yet it is the exact same length and width as the P232, and is only .4 inches taller than the P232 (5.1 to 4.7 inches).

Anyway, if it works for you and you are happy, then that's all that matters.
2004-09-09 01:17:02 AM  
As has been said before, the gun change is not at all new news. The headline should have said something about the fact that letters are being sold and stuff. Anyone that has read the bond books and knows anything about the background of the character knows this story well. If you havn't read the books, stop wasting time on Fark and go pick up a copy. You don't know James Bond until you read Fleming's books.
2004-09-09 04:02:24 AM  
a lot of ppk's in .380 caliber tend to jam for some reason. the french made mandurin seem the worst. the sig 232 is a huge improvement over the sig 230 which also jammed a lot in .380 caliber. in their original .32 chambering they were reliable but you can find 9x19 caliber guns the same size and only a bit heavier so why bother with the pussy guns. bond should have been armed with the cut down walther p38 like the guy on "the man from u.n.c.l.e.". not a lot of other compact full power semi-autos at the time fleming was writing so the only other option would be a revolver. the only thing is you can't use a silencer on revolvers unless it's a freak design like the russian [belgium designed] nagants.
2004-09-09 08:07:35 AM  
Colt Delta Elite 10MM. Just right.
2004-09-09 09:08:21 AM  
Queer Eye for the Straight Spy.
2004-09-09 04:07:46 PM  
Omega Ohm - Do you even have the faintest idea what you're talking about? A PPK in .380 ACP is hardly a wuss gun that won't put a hole in a street sign. I invite you to stand down range and catch a few rounds from one if you're so confident in its lack of power. 88 grains moving at 1,056 feet per second is going to create a pretty good amount of tissue damage.

Chris9450 - There's no such thing as a .45 Desert Eagle. I'm sure you like to talk like you're a big man but I doubt you could even rack the slide on one. It's pretty evident from your post that you don't own either, so I guess that makes you a girly man as well.

Ward's_Back - connections? You mean Wal Mart? Because that's where I buy my SXT's.

Does anyone here actually own a gun or did you learn all this from Counter Strike?
2004-09-09 07:23:19 PM  
Hey dhamsaic,

What's this?

The baby of the Desert Eagle
2004-09-09 07:27:56 PM  
A Baby Eagle.

Are "Baby" and "Desert" the same word?

A Baby Eagle is so completely different from a Desert Eagle that the only thing they have in common is the name "Eagle". The Baby Eagle is basically a re-designed CZ-75 so that IMI/Magnum Research could still sell a gun to those that wanted the "Eagle" name but couldn't afford $1,200 on a gun that's as big as a watermelon.

So, smartguy, try again. There is still no .45 Desert Eagle, there never has been and there never will be.
2004-09-09 08:09:15 PM  
You are going to have argue with magnumresearch.

45ACP "Baby" Desert Eagle Pistol
Black, Steel, Semi-Compact
(California Approved)
2004-09-09 08:26:53 PM  
Whatever, dude. You're obviously ignorant of firearms. The Baby Eagle is very clearly contrasted against the Desert Eagle on Magnum Research's website. The official product name is "Baby Eagle". The two guns are based on completely different designs. On the page you linked previously, nowhere do they say "Baby Desert Eagle" - only "Baby Eagle". The registered trademark for the gun is "Baby Eagle", not "Baby Desert Eagle". There is still no .45 Desert Eagle. The original poster was mistaken and was most certainly not talking about the Baby Eagle because if he was, he would have said "Baby Eagle". He meant "Desert Eagle", which is exactly what he said.

You can argue it all you want, but the very simple fact of the matter is that the handgun "Desert Eagle" has never been chambered in .45 ACP. There simply is no such gun.
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