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2670 clicks; posted to Main » on 05 Feb 2002 at 6:27 PM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-02-05 06:28:38 PM  
Where's the flamebait tag??
2002-02-05 06:28:44 PM  
There. Case closed. Nothing to argue about here, move along
2002-02-05 06:30:58 PM  
While I'm here, this has got to be some kind of FARK record for 'most articles in one day'!
2002-02-05 06:31:43 PM  
So how many senators slept with Lay in exchange for political contributions?
2002-02-05 06:33:34 PM  
uh, ladies? tagline is broken.

According to the first source mentioned, the Democrats got only 28% of the graft, as opposed to "equal."

Center for Responsive Politics and FEC data
2002-02-05 06:33:55 PM  
Every time I see the world "Enron" I automatically think of Scientology and lose interest.
2002-02-05 06:35:01 PM  
Democrats-the party that boo's the Boy Scouts off stage at their political convention.
2002-02-05 06:35:59 PM  
did the person submitting this (and, more importantly, writing the flamebait headline) actually read the article? "...the Republican Party, which received most of the company's largess over the years."
2002-02-05 06:36:25 PM  
I think of George Jetson's boy.
2002-02-05 06:36:45 PM  
I hope the Americans around here remember this entire mess, the corruption in every part of the federal government, come next election, and vote their conscience. Demand Better From Your Rulers.

In fact, why wait? If your leaders, your "representatives" are failing you, don't sit there and stand for it. You didn't elect these people to be corrupt money-guzzlers; you elected them to make good decisions and debate important stuff. If they fail, you don't have to wait to recall them and think of something better. You can replace them with someone hopefully more competent... or you can reject a broken system entirely, ignore its claims of authority when the people involved consistently abuse that authority and refuse to take equal responsibility.
2002-02-05 06:36:46 PM  
Oh, Shavenwarthog only 28%? I guess they can go back to casting stones.
2002-02-05 06:37:19 PM  
The article (if anybody actually bothers to read it) doesn't say anywhere that the amount of money given to the Democratic party was anywhere near the amount that it gave to the Republicans.

From the article:

Enron gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democratic campaign committees and Democrats in the House and Senate...
Enron, Lay and other senior executives contributed $1.7 million in soft-money donations to politicians in the 2000 election cycle, two-thirds of it to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Sorry to let the facts get in the way of a good flamewar, but whomever submitted the article gave it a completely misleading headline. Not even NewsMax has tried to say that Enron gave equally to the Democratic party.

What's more, it's obvious that the Republicans were doing a lot more for Enron with regards to pushing energy de-regulation, etc.

Nice try, but I have a feeling this Enron thing is going to go on for a while.

2002-02-05 06:42:43 PM  
Chris Dodd, a prominent Democrat, ramrodded legislatation through the pipe that limits the liability of accounting firms(Arthur Anderson)who cook the books for corporate America. How does this protect the "little guy" from the excess of corporate greed?
2002-02-05 06:43:00 PM  
First paragraph: "During the administration of the first President George Bush, a new party fundraiser named Kenneth Lay was invited to spend the night at the White House. The sleepover was an early coup for the chairman of Enron Corp. and a harbinger of things to come."

Jeepers, I always heard it was only those sleazy Democrat Clintons who did this sort of thing. Imagine that! Geo. Bush #1 was doing it before them! Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I am utterly flabbergasted to learn such a thing!
2002-02-05 06:43:14 PM  
This article has no purpose at all. It has a misleading headline (false) while appearing that the submitter didn't even read it.
2002-02-05 06:44:09 PM  
Anybody else as sick of the trolling in the submission titles as I am? Jeeze, and I can't even get a funny flash animation posted!
2002-02-05 06:44:19 PM  
I actually heard a democrat say this, "You can't improve homeland security by just throwing money at it."

Bizzaro world here I come.....
2002-02-05 06:46:36 PM  
I won't be happy till I have video of Monica Bill and Dubbya in a three way.
2002-02-05 06:47:09 PM  
Jeepers, I always heard it was only those sleazy Democrat Clintons who did this sort of thing. Imagine that! Geo. Bush #1 was doing it before them! Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I am utterly flabbergasted to learn such a thing!

Yeah but I'd rather have a dirty capitalist doing it rather then letting Mao Tse-tung anyday.
2002-02-05 06:47:34 PM  
DrBenway:  Careful, remember to clearly indicate that you're being sarcastic when right-wingers might be reading. They seem to have a lot of trouble understanding it.
2002-02-05 06:47:57 PM  
The problem isn't just Republicans sucking at Enron's teat, or the Democrats sucking at Global Crossing's, or renting the Lincoln Bedroom, or letting corporate executives actively help determine federal energy policy. The problem is systemic acceptance of bribery as a legitimate form of social influence. These people are supposed to represent the interests of all their constituents, not just the ones that cough up $1000 or more for the election war chest. Every time a new scandal shows up, the same pattern repeats; one side uses it blast the other while hoping no one else notices their own corruption. Next scandal, flip, rinse, repeat. The problem is sitting in front of your very eyes, and you let the career politicians sweep you into partisan bickering! You let them blind you from the real truth - that they're all corrupt, they're all taking bribes for votes and support, that they're both pots calling each other black to keep the partisan fire stoked, and as long as no one mentions this overall truth, everyone involved can keep feeding from the trough! After all, who wants to ruin the party for everyone else, even if the party is just plain wrong?

It happens in numerous governments, but just because it's common doesn't mean it's right. It rots the foundations of free societies, and as long as Joe and Jane Citizen in the U.S., in Canada, in Europe, in any nation rife with systemic political bribery and corruption, sits back and lets it happen because "that's the way things are," then nothing will change.

I say... no more! It's enough!
2002-02-05 06:48:02 PM  
At least it was just the hypocritical ones.
2002-02-05 06:49:56 PM  
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2002-02-05 06:53:39 PM  
Don't blame me... I voted for Kodos
2002-02-05 06:53:50 PM  
We need finance reform... badly. Since when is it OK to bribe politicians to lower regulations so company x can have an easier time? Since when is it fine to stock your cabinet with former advisors and folk who sat on the board of directors of the company which gave the most money to your cause?

Democrats took money from them too (granted, nowhere near what the Republicans took), but they didn't stock their advisors with people with close ties to Enron. The stink of corruption is in our government, and you are a farking idiot if you think one party is to blame: they all are.
2002-02-05 06:57:34 PM  
"Hypocritical Democrats"? Yeah ... whatever.

Whoever posted that must be one of Rush's "dittoheads".
2002-02-05 06:58:34 PM  
How much did the Greens and Libertarians get?
2002-02-05 06:58:58 PM  
Politician is another word for thief.
2002-02-05 07:02:40 PM  
Oh...and 3-way videos with political leaders....
2002-02-05 07:03:10 PM  
Vote Libertarian. That's all.
2002-02-05 07:04:39 PM  
I have an idea (comments welcome).
The idea is that if a politician comes along who reflects your values you should be able to contribute, yes? However, if you contribute does it does look like you are buying representation in congress/executive branches. So the answer I would propose is that someone like the GAO accept contributions for any candidate and disburse them without the candidates knowing where they came from. That way if you like a candidate's policies you can contribute but the candidate would have no direct knowledge of who or what contributed. I know htere are flaws but you get my general idea about separating the contributions and making them anonymous. How could this system be implemented so as to be feasible?
2002-02-05 07:04:55 PM  
We do need campaign finance reform, but I don't think I trust Congress enough to pass real, meaningful reforms. Why should they when it's not in their best interests to do so?
2002-02-05 07:05:29 PM  
FifthColumn and PlatinumDragon,

I have one word for you two, Bravo!. Ya'll have reassured me that everyone that reads this site (and in this country for that matter) is not a simple-minded partisan-brainwashed moron.

2002-02-05 07:06:05 PM  
Right now, as Ken Lay is getting a subpoena to appear before congress, he's wishing he had spread the bribes more evenly. Those people whose palms he didn't grease are going to ask him some tough questions, as opposed to George and his boys who will be posing as tough.
2002-02-05 07:08:06 PM  
Hey Gum Chewer...
I kinda like that...put your money in an anonymous pool for that party leader and they get it it w/o knowing who gave how much.

but lets get back to talk of 3-ways
2002-02-05 07:09:54 PM  
And did someone just applaude someone as being smart and use the word ya'll in it????
2002-02-05 07:10:58 PM  
Equal? Mmmm...
With that kind of arithmatic, no wonder Enron went bankrupt and no wonder the economy is in the shiathole!
2002-02-05 07:11:01 PM  

*bows* - thank you, just trying to kick this thread away from the usual cross-aisle finger-pointing, and into some real creative thinking that goes beyond "switch those politicians with the other politicians next election, all will be well, pbbbbt." The problem is a combination of the individuals involved, and a system that doesn't just allow organized bribery; it encourages it.

It has to start somewhere.
It has to start sometime.
What better place than here?
What better time than now?

Think away, my friends.
2002-02-05 07:12:41 PM  
did someone just make fun of someone using ya'll and mispell applaud?
2002-02-05 07:12:42 PM  
The biggest problem is that society's best and brightest no longer see politics as a plausible career option. Especially now when being intelligent is seen as a liability rather than an asset (Gore vs. Bush) and the future starts to look pretty scary. If politics is what people do when they obviously aren't good at anything else it doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
2002-02-05 07:13:44 PM  
Whoo hoo, just wait'll Barbara "the whip" Boxer gets ahold of his smoking gun.

"I'll teach YOU not to grease me up with your big contribution," she was heard to exclaim.

Run Kenny! Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!
2002-02-05 07:15:31 PM  
PlatinumDragon: I'm not defending Democrats by saying this, but Republicans time and time again subscribe to the "might is right" view of justice. This is a great essay by the author of The Bush Dislexicon about the anti-intellectual reception of his book from the Right:

Here is the first chapter of a book by John Dean, White House Council in the Nixon Administration​h​nquistch oice.htm ... sickening. And history repeats itself - John Dean on GAO vs. Cheney:

To everyone puzzled about the "misleading" tag line to link: It's a genius way to get right-wingers to actually reading the facts on something they'd rather not see facts about.
2002-02-05 07:16:09 PM  
Oh, and... uhhh, I dunno how to tell you this... but I'm a "North" American:)

We have different, but similarly ugly issues with politicians up here. Up here, you don't have to grease the palms of every politician - just the ones in the government party, until they get replaced by one of the opposition parties, at which point the money changes targets... to the new government.

Suffice it to say, I'm reaching my limit of tolerance. No, check that; my tolerance is gone.
2002-02-05 07:17:02 PM  
BEST use of the OBVIOUS tag EVER. yes, it truly is.

farking hipocrites.
2002-02-05 07:17:30 PM  
good point on that gore vs bush space coyote....cuz gore did create the internet and you have to be a smart guy to do that ya'll
2002-02-05 07:21:29 PM  
democrats, while equally as foul as republicans, did not make the corporation in question priccy to, and influential on, their energy policy decisions.
so however lame dems are, at least they're not actively evil like cheney...yech
2002-02-05 07:21:58 PM  
One problem I can see is in giving a bunch of career civil servants complete control of the disbursement of all that money with absolutely no oversight (remember the oversight for the GAO is Congress (i.e. politicians) who would first thing, demand that they open the books and show where the money is coming from. The opportunities for internal corruption in such an organization would be limitless. With the current system, there is at least a way to monitor whose giving what to whom.
2002-02-05 07:22:16 PM  
I really believe that the two party system we have in place today is the biggest problem facing America today. Conseratives will tell you it is do-gooders, abortionists and hippies. Liberals will say it's guns and the rich. But the *real* problem is the people in office and the system that put them there. I'm sorry to alot of people for this ( Galadriel included), but if you voted for either Gore or Bush in the last eleciton, you are included in that too.

Thanks for the links Shockingelk, I will read them after I eat.
2002-02-05 07:22:35 PM  
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This Article is biased and mistitled.

It's a friggin EDITORIAL! It is not fact, gospel or law.

Lay made some ties to save his ass once his deck of cards fell.

Let's face it.. we can't get rid of everything that got money from Enron, but we can get rid of the people who got the most money from Enron.

2002-02-05 07:26:36 PM  
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