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2004-09-04 07:21:04 PM
 
2004-09-04 07:21:07 PM
It tastes good ?
 
2004-09-04 07:21:50 PM
Only in America does "morbidly obese" = "new marketing demographic"

Spend. Spend. Spend.
 
2004-09-04 07:23:33 PM
The two best diet pops out there, are diet coke, and
diet A&W root beer. Next is diet sprite.

If I have to, I'll drink diet pepsi. Some of the others
are awful tasting... some aren't so bad, but most taste
awful, at least to drink more than one... they're awful.
 
2004-09-04 07:24:10 PM
I attended the National Kitchen & Bath Show in Chicago earlier this year and the award for Most Innovative Bathroom Product was an oversized toilet seat called the "Great Big John". I was so embarassed that people thought this enabling device was so innovative. It was just plain sad. Here is te link: http://www.bigjohntoiletseat.com/
 
2004-09-04 07:24:24 PM
highwayrun

While not meaning to troll:

People claim that it's "cheaper" to eat fast food, and in the short run, per individual meal, it might be, but if you actually go and shop for a week's worth of ingredients, you'll spend less than you would on a week's worth of fast food. Not to mention you'll be eating tastier, better food; you'll know what's in it; you'll have had the satisfaction of feeding yourself. You'll also lose weight, if only because you'll stop and think about what you're eating as opposed to shoving whatever comes out of the wrapper in your mouth.


I think the bigger issue is that most Americans have no conception of what a healthy diet is. For instance, pasta isn't bad for you, but if you eat a lot of it and don't exercise, it's going to fatten you up. People also don't realize how many calories there is in alcohol.

Seeing that deaths related to obesity are overtaking cigarettes related deaths, something needs to be done. We could start with having an all-out ban on soda and candy vending machines at schools. If you give a 12 year-old lunch money, they're going to spend it on such things.
 
2004-09-04 07:24:53 PM
all this talk makes me want to give up my favorite drink, whiskey and coke, so whats a good whiskey drink without soda?
 
2004-09-04 07:27:37 PM
I agree that obesity causes more problems than smoking. That should be a question on insurance forms, and obese people should have reserved parking spots ON THE FAR END OF THE PARKING LOT! NO MORE AUTOMATED SCOOTERS FOR BEING FAT! I was at Sea World in San Antonio, and two 400+ pounders (a jolly couple) scootered past us. I was disgusted to think they probably have handicapped parking stickers.
 
2004-09-04 07:27:40 PM
Actually, I want to back pedal some in what I said above.

ONLY people that are smart enough to figure out the number of
calories in what they're cooking, should bother cooking their
dinners. There were fat people long before microwave dinners
and they got that way eating way too much stuff no matter
how it was prepared. For those not able to figure out what
that dinner is going to be worth calorie wise, they should
buy packaged or canned dinners that say what the calories are
and work with that instead.
 
2004-09-04 07:32:02 PM
You mean you add things to whiskey?

What on earth for.
 
2004-09-04 07:32:25 PM
I'd drink more diet soda if it used splenda, otherwise I mostly drink seltzer (sometimes mixed with orange-juice).

Aspertame, or phenylalanine, the artificial sweetener used in diet sodas and...well...artificial sweeteners, has been found to cause premature brain deterioration.

Now, I drink diet cokes, once in a while, like one of those smaller bottles a month (I used to drink maybe 2 liters a day, 5 years ago for about a year or two maybe), and these findings are most likely from lab rats. And fark man, if you give a rat a big enough dose of that shiat of course its going to get sick.

The point is, splenda pwns all.
 
2004-09-04 07:32:53 PM
jpboaty

Actually, I want to back pedal some in what I said above.

ONLY people that are smart enough to figure out the number of
calories in what they're cooking, should bother cooking their
dinners. There were fat people long before microwave dinners
and they got that way eating way too much stuff no matter
how it was prepared. For those not able to figure out what
that dinner is going to be worth calorie wise, they should
buy packaged or canned dinners that say what the calories are
and work with that instead.


Yeah. I saw a documentary about obesity where this single mom and her three kids were all obese. The reason was that the mother had overloaded them all with starches. She honestly didn't know that feeding her family potatoes and pasta every night was a bad idea. The family was lower class and she didn't want her kids to starve. It's actually pretty tragic.
 
2004-09-04 07:32:55 PM


Introducing the Sit-n-shiat.





Tired of sit'n and a shiat'n? Then go for a ride in Fat Grapple!
 
2004-09-04 07:33:22 PM
Drinking diet cokes is much better for you.

I think that Impudent Domain point is that people drink diet soda as if it were water.


I used to drink Diet Pepsi like it was water - 4 or more 20oz bottles a day. I couldn't lose weight because I was always hungry and had cravings for snacks. I think Nutrasweet or maybe just the sweetness in general - makes you hungry. That - and I read that Nutrasweet(aspertame) is a serotonin proomter so it makes you depressed.

I'm drinking lotsa water and sorta South Beach dieting. I''ve had very little hunger and 40+ pounds gone in 2-3 months.
 
2004-09-04 07:33:44 PM
That looks like Homer's dream land...
 
2004-09-04 07:35:57 PM
In other news, the Kanamits are dusting off those cookbooks...
And to Shagenstein: Irish Coffee! Spring for the good beans, get some Bushmill's. Can't wait for winter, myself.
 
2004-09-04 07:36:27 PM
jpboaty, no offense, but thats stupid.

Seeing as all the products you buy in stores are organic, its difficult to determine their calorie value by simply looking at them. And who the hell wants to put their food on top of a Bunson burner!?

I get what you're saying, limit your meal size, but you phrased it poorly.
 
2004-09-04 07:36:32 PM
Going back to soda, from personal experience, I think that's a major problem. I hear people say that they're going on a diet, going to start running regularly, but refuse to give up soda and then are shocked when they fail to lose weight quickly, and then give up on their diet.
 
2004-09-04 07:36:35 PM
Nope, Boaty-- people who "can't figure out the number of calories in what they're cooking" aren't going to be able to "buy packaged or canned dinners that say what the calories are". Your logic turns circular there.

Moreover, often packaged/canned meals contain high levels of fat and sodium. Unilaterally, across the board, you're better off financially and physically to eat out occasionally but do most of your cooking at home. Don't drink sodas(which you call "awful") and are basically overpriced water with addictive chemicals, and get out and walk somewhere. you'll see a difference. I promise.
 
2004-09-04 07:37:11 PM
Chartini

Are you a whiskey purist?

The kind that only drinks it when it is cold and grey out.

I am, but I live in Pittsburgh so I can drink it year round.
 
2004-09-04 07:37:18 PM
I wonder how many fatasses are posting in this thread...
 
2004-09-04 07:39:28 PM
Mrs Ho, I raise my hand.
 
2004-09-04 07:41:42 PM
Heh heh... Americans are fat and stupid and badly educated and right-wing.
 
2004-09-04 07:41:44 PM
haha. welcome, brother.
 
2004-09-04 07:43:42 PM
You know, its kinda nice living in Canada. Nicer people, and generally thinner people. Oh sure, say what you want about Canada being the same or whatever, but I've been to the USA, and lived in Canada my whole life. We have nicer people, and we have thinner people.

And anyone who is so fat they use a cart to get around really must love being fat. WALKING LESS WILL MAKE YOU FATTER.
 
2004-09-04 07:44:54 PM
2dogs

I have a 5 year old daughter. Seeing that pic makes me sad. Either she has shiatty genes, or her parents need to be lined up and shot with a bazooka in the face after I farking cut their throats out with a dull rusty knife.

There is no way any child should look like that. My kids go outside and play. They are active. Yet they do well in school. What kind of pride must one lack to let your child become that huge.
 
2004-09-04 07:45:02 PM
5"11 135.. the secret is,

No pop, no fast food

Smoke lots of mary jane, drink lots of beer

Live in canada, although canada can be a fatty haven as well.. just go to a wal-mart.
 
2004-09-04 07:45:34 PM
Most of US movie stars seem a bit fat to us. You know, in a Tom Hanks kind of way.

Well, that's because he's a bit pudgy most of the time.

I'm still blown away by Euros who think Americans are fat. Without fail I see clearly soft/pudgy Euros more and more. I suppose you people just don't realize you're just a decade or so behind us in this epidemic, but you'll realize it soon enough. Boggle while you can.


The US nationwide average is 2/3 overweight, with 1/3 obese.

Yes, and many of those 'overweight' are people who barely nudge over 25 BMI and who are most assuredly not fat.

As for how people put on extra pounds to get them into the overweight category, it's pretty easy. A single extra can of coke a day can pack about 15 pounds onto you over the course of a single year. That's not exactly gluttony. Small changes in exercise and/or metabolism can easily nudge your daily calorie needs down to compound the problem. Hell, until I was in my late 20s I couldn't budge my weight off 145, then within two years I was nearly 170 - working the same job, eating the same food, doing the same exercise. I've since regained my leaner body fat percentage, but I weigh 185 after taking advantage of my 'new mass' to begin hitting the gym for about 45 minutes to an hour five times a day. My body fat is in the mid-teens, well within the healthy range for a male, and guess what? I'm over 25 BMI, I'm overweight. There's a whole gym full of people just like me, and there are at every gym I go to. I've definitely now got a larger build than before, but I'm not fat; curiously, I see very, very few Euros who fit the same mold.

/Still laughs at the number of people I know who used to rag on 'pudgy' people until their own metabolism caught up with them
 
2004-09-04 07:46:01 PM
Mrs. Ho:

I'm a former fatass. But since I went back to grad school and had to deal with svelte 19-year-olds all day long, I made some lifestyle changes. I still have a ways to go to before I get to underwear-model stage, but in the past year, I've lost visible weight and feel about a hundred percent better, not just physically but emotionally.

What it took was divorcing myself from the ideas I was being sold on television:
- sodas are refreshing and a good way to rehydrate yourself,
-driving a massive vehicle everywhere you go is a necessity, and only the desperately poor, people with DUI's or the criminally insane walk or take public transportation
-you have to be hot to go to the gym in the first place
-only gourmets and professional chefs actually cook for themselves
-fast food is delicious and nourishing to body and spirit, and you should get some at Wal-Mart while you shop there.

Once I realized that everything I was being told on television wasn't actually accurate, I was able to get on with how I wanted to look and feel.
 
2004-09-04 07:46:03 PM
Well, how would you suggest we fix this problem!? In a society where survival of the fittest no longer applies, physical fitness has a very minor advantage. As we cannot simply leave the frail and unfortunate behind, society will pick up their slack. I see no possible solution, except...

Good sirs, if you are suggesting what I think you're suggesting, then you are insane!

Creating a race of Shark-men and loosing them on the population would cause far more problems then it would solve! Your idea to alter the DNA of the Whale Shark in order to turn it into a mobile troop transport is also ridiculous, and your plans for the extinct Megalodon cross the line into sheer madness! Sharks the size of a B52 were not meant to have human brains!!

I refuse to be a party to this lunacy! Even Atkins himself, twisted as he was, refused to go this far!
 
2004-09-04 07:46:45 PM
i'm in good shape. then again, i eat well and i try to make it to the gym at least five times a week.
 
2004-09-04 07:46:46 PM
Bariatric equipment includes toilets rated to 1,500 pounds

Yikes! If you're 1500 pounds (or even "just" 1000) there's no way you can even get up to get to said toilet...
 
2004-09-04 07:47:04 PM
InferiousX
And consider that one carton of OJ cost about the same as like 90000 cans of soda. (exaggeration of course but point is made)

I don't think you'd be much better off with the orange juice anyway. I can't recall the exact amount off hand, but soda and orange (or most any fruit) juices caloric content aren't that far off from each other. Water's the way to go unless your meals have been lacking in fruit.
 
2004-09-04 07:50:48 PM
I drink iced tea instead of soda and then while at work I drink enough coffee to kill a horse.

damn midnight to noon shift.
 
2004-09-04 07:51:28 PM


You must listen to me! THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER!
 
2004-09-04 07:53:07 PM
Red Space Dragon

Dude, put the pipe down and step away from the computer.

The men in the white coats will be there soon and they will make everything all better.
 
2004-09-04 07:53:16 PM
RedSpaceDragon:

They are our ONLY HOPE of salvation!
 
2004-09-04 07:54:28 PM
2004-09-04 07:05:18 PM InferiousX

You're wrong. If you don't fit on the height/weight charts, you're denied coverage.
 
2004-09-04 07:55:57 PM
I thought that headline was phat.
 
2004-09-04 07:57:00 PM
Oops, sorry. That was directed at czae's comment.
 
2004-09-04 07:57:00 PM
highwayrun:

On your comment of the villonisation of walking. I live in a very obese town. Fat to the point where I'd guess 75% of the people here are overweight. I was once stopped and questioned for a half hour, by not one but two cops because it was considered highly suspicious that anyone would be walking more than a few blocks. I know this town is somewhat exceptional in how badly it's fallen, but still! When two blocks is considered an endurance hike, I think something's gone seriously wrong somewhere.
 
2004-09-04 08:00:32 PM
Great Enemy of Mister Hand

Aspertame, or phenylalanine, the artificial sweetener used in diet sodas and...well...artificial sweeteners, has been found to cause premature brain deterioration.

---

The FDA, MIT, Lancet, and others disagree:

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp
 
2004-09-04 08:01:15 PM

"Let me tell you something, the first day I can't see my dick--I stop eating!"
 
2004-09-04 08:03:58 PM
jpboaty, my mom's medical journal disagrees.

/whatever thats worth
 
2004-09-04 08:04:09 PM
I still can't get over that some ponce in Europe thinks a 5'10" guy who weighs 145 lbs, "is close to being fat".

Eat a sammich, biatch. Damn!

/close to fat
 
2004-09-04 08:05:13 PM
2004-09-04 07:13:46 PM Fishbulb30w

If I may re-phrase your comments:

"The thing I can't stand about most of these gay bastards is listening to them biatch about how they are treated different or badly.
All I can say is if you don't have enough self respect to have relationships with the opposite sex, how the hell do you expect me to respect you.
You obviously don't give a shiat about yourself, so why should I, and you wonder why people treat you like shiat?"

Huh? Homosexuality is genetic and gay people are born that way? Well, some people don't believe that, the same way some people don't believe that weight problems are genetic.
 
2004-09-04 08:05:34 PM
Great Enemy of Mister Hand
Seeing as all the products you buy in stores are organic, its difficult to determine their calorie value by simply looking at them. And who the hell wants to put their food on top of a Bunson burner!?

---

Ya, I backpedaled soon after saying that when I realized
many people wouldn't know how to calculate the calories in
what they're cooking... where it's listed on pre-packaged
stuff. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to add up
the calories... so some overweight people could do it, but
not all. The main point was, they shouldn't pop in 2 or 3
TV dinners for a meal, they should do some work for it,
walk to the store, plan out a meal, etc...
 
2004-09-04 08:05:38 PM
I'm 5'8" 150lbs and forty years old. I'm not fat nor have I ever have been. Not A single friend or family member is fat or ever has been.
None of us are on diets and we sure as hell never counted calories. We really don't have a clue about how that hole calorie thing works.
Not a single one of us belongs to a gym.

So how can this be?

We were taught what and how to eat and we are all active.
We almost all cycle, walk, golf, whatever.
As for food, the two big things to watch are FATS & SUGAR(sugars just convert to fat).
Processed foods are worst for fats as are fast foods. Next is pork, then beef, and dairy.
Yes we still eat these foods, but rarely. Skimmed dairy products and lean cuts of meat.

If you want to stay thin, watch your fats and sugars. Try to limit yourself to about 32 grams of fat a day or less.
Examples of bad stuff. A large Ice cappacino has around 30 grams of fat, I believe a big mac, reg coke, and fries is around 34 grams of fat.
 
2004-09-04 08:11:15 PM
highwayrun

Moreover, often packaged/canned meals contain high levels of fat and sodium. Unilaterally, across the board, you're better off financially and physically to eat out occasionally but do most of your cooking at home. Don't drink sodas(which you call "awful") and are basically overpriced water with addictive chemicals, and get out and walk somewhere. you'll see a difference. I promise.

---

Not all. Compare Chunky vegetable beef soup (260 calories)
with others, it's about 1/2 the calories of some of the
most fat filled ones. If you check the lables, you can find
some fairly low calorie foods out there that taste pretty
good.

As for walking... that's too slow. I ride 10-20 miles a day
and lift wieghts, bench pressing my own weight 75 times
per day, and 45 times pulling down... walking doesn't compare.
 
2004-09-04 08:11:37 PM
Great Enemy of Mister Hand I'd drink more diet soda if it used splenda

Diet Rite uses sucralose (splenda). I like the white grape, but I drink more water than anything else too.
 
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