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(The Journal News)   Contractor closes shop, flies to Florida to help friend whose home was damaged by hurricane. The result: A $5,000 fine and a felony warrant for his arrest   (thejournalnews.com) divider line 165
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2004-08-29 04:10:02 AM  
Asshat bureaucracy...
 
2004-08-29 05:03:21 AM  
I think he should have his ass thrown in jail

Preferably in the cell beside the marshmellow lady.

Keep these criminals off the street.
 
2004-08-29 06:24:01 AM  
No good deed goes unpunished.
 
2004-08-29 07:01:14 AM  
When only your friends can fix your roof, only the criminals will have guns.
 
2004-08-29 07:58:10 AM  
How long until Florida makes it illegal to invite your friends over for a bbq if you don't have a state issued restaurant license?
 
2004-08-29 08:34:58 AM  
When it starts issuing restaurant licenses?
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2004-08-29 09:03:20 AM  
Nope officer he's not a contarctor, he's by brother-in-law from up North.

Now unless you have a warrent get off my land!
 
2004-08-29 10:00:11 AM  
Under Florida law, only contractors licensed by the state may engage in roof repair. It carries up to a $5,000 fine. Not to mention that the practice of unlicensed contracting becomes a third-degree felony when the governor has declared a state of emergency.

Governmet licensing of 'trades' only protects those already in the trade from competition. I'll bet some contractor was driving through the neighborhood and noticed some work was being done and called it in.

And living in the Orlando/Kissimmee area for the last two years I wouldn't doubt it. In Kissimmee alone there were single builders putting up 100+ houses in a year.
 
2004-08-29 10:52:45 AM  
And he should either hurry up or hold off on that roof.

 
2004-08-29 11:30:53 AM  
What did they expect from (probably) two fatass military haircut Sheriff's deputies, a calm and rational discusion on the meaning and application of the law? Hahaa!
 
2004-08-29 11:31:29 AM  
Libertarian!

Who is the government to tell YOU who can fix YOUR house?!?
I should be able to hire a cadre of 80 year old, blind women to do my roofing if I choose.

Damn government nannies.
 
2004-08-29 11:31:31 AM  
"We are out in force. We want to make sure no one gets scammed," she said.

WHAT THE fark.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. These people are quite possibly the dumbest people on earth. In the better days of America these people would have been tarred and feathered and quickly disenfranchised.
 
2004-08-29 11:33:44 AM  
I misread "Contractor" as "Coulter". Ah well.
 
2004-08-29 11:34:13 AM  
Ku_No_Ichi
When only your friends can fix your roof, only the criminals will have guns.

Funny

mr_bunny


Libertarian!

Who is the government to tell YOU who can fix YOUR house?!?
I should be able to hire a cadre of 80 year old, blind women to do my roofing if I choose.

Damn government nannies.


even funnier
 
2004-08-29 11:34:28 AM  
Freedom - America style.

The freedom to repair my roof is not in the Constitution.
You are welcome to look it up if you don't believe me.
- just heading off the mandatory Neocon response

Our forefathers weep for our country.
They told us we must remain diligent.
And, we have failed them miserably.
 
2004-08-29 11:35:24 AM  
This will get tossed. How can he get scammed if he isn't being charged? In the meantime, I wish nothing but the worst for the police and "officials" involved. A bleeding hemmoroid or something.
 
2004-08-29 11:36:47 AM  
I hate bureaucracy, you find a way to help out a friend, and if you don't follow their rules to the letter they slap you with fines, jailterms,etc.

But then you go ahead and play by their rules (finding a loophole) and then they have the power to change the damn laws out from under you...

Sometimes I wonder who has it worse? The U.S. with Bush (no futher comment needed) or us folks up here in Canuckistan who get taxed so hard we can barely afford a house.
 
2004-08-29 11:37:27 AM  
Please. Produce. Contract.
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2004-08-29 11:37:41 AM  
What you do on your land is "mostly" your business.

"Mostly being if you live in the city, then building codes apply"

I learned this one first hand, you can't fight city hall!
 
2004-08-29 11:38:20 AM  
Farkin' Florida. Those political contributions from roofing contractors are starting to pay off. Too bad the guy didn't "have the time" to get homeowner's insurance (20 minutes??), but geez... Hopefully, public pressure and common sense (unlikely) will kick-in. Maybe a flood of phone calls to the right dumb-ass official's office will get this dropped.
 
2004-08-29 11:38:58 AM  
2dogs

*bows*

Random Reality Check

We haven't all failed. Seriously though, everyone calls we Libertarians nutjobs until something like this comes along, then it all starts to make sense.

Folks you are not better off having every little thing in your life regulated.

The single scariest thing I remember hearing growing up on our farm was:

'We're from the government, and we're here to help.'
 
2004-08-29 11:39:54 AM  
Misleading headline. He only got served a cease-and-desist.

Anyway, it's still a ridiculous application of the law. If we didn't have so many scammers flocking in from up north to scam people out of what money they have with bogus and incomplete work we wouldn't need these laws.
 
2004-08-29 11:39:58 AM  
Well, hell, with a name like Arzoomanian, you know he's probably a terrrist anyway. Shoot, what's he trying to do? Help somebody????
 
2004-08-29 11:40:00 AM  
And imagine how much money will be wasted trying to straighten this mess out in court.

No good deed goes unpunished...
 
2004-08-29 11:44:04 AM  
reason number 1,980,876,423 why the government sucks and can kiss my curvy butt
 
2004-08-29 11:45:43 AM  
If their is no contract, there is no 'contractor', right? This was a guy helping out a friend. Maybe they didn't get a permit? Even so, those rules should be relaxed a bit in an emergency (after the fact permits and inspections).

After a disaster like this, the state of Florida should dispatch public employees to every neighborhood in Florida so they can process $500 contractor applications for everyone that wants to fix their roof.

That will certainly reduce the amount of money grabbing that goes on after a hurricane.
 
2004-08-29 11:46:02 AM  
Website of the Department of Business and Professional Regulation

Here
 
2004-08-29 11:47:17 AM  
http://www.osceola.org/index.cfm?lsFuses=department/Sheriff/EmailUs

You can e-mail them and let them know what you think
 
2004-08-29 11:47:18 AM  
"They were being real awful. They were just nasty," said Arzoomanian, who has lived in the house for seven years. "They weren't believing our story. They didn't care what the truth was." ........Wow, never heard that discription of A Police officer before ......yeah right
 
2004-08-29 11:48:19 AM  
Aw!...That's Bullshiat!!! I have a good mind to send a scathing letter to the Govenor of Florida about this unwarranted intrusio...uh?...who?...Jeb who? Oh!....well...uhm....never mind....meh!
 
2004-08-29 11:50:03 AM  
that's some b.s. If his house was damaged from not being able to finish the roof - he should sue that bastards!!


Suing - the American way:-P
 
2004-08-29 11:50:26 AM  
Accountability has taken whats left of the ability of our leaders to act rationally, and basically made them follow the regulations in all situations, even if those situations call for common sense instead of bureaucracy.

Its happening in our schools, and in our governments. Welcome to the New America. You dont have to make sense, just do what you're told.
 
2004-08-29 11:50:28 AM  


The Areola county sherriff looks like a young Billy Graham
 
2004-08-29 11:54:18 AM  
Yay justice!
 
2004-08-29 11:56:13 AM  
So, you libertarians don't believe in building regulations either? Electrical codes? Fire codes? That's amazing.

This is certainly a screwed up situation, but if a few such screw ups will prevent widespread gouging and scamming, isn't it worth it to simply deal with such screw ups as they arrive?
 
2004-08-29 12:01:01 PM  
The Florida tag once again illustrates the reason for its existence.
 
2004-08-29 12:01:35 PM  
Please. Produce. Contract.


I know this if Fark and all, but could you explain what this post means?
 
2004-08-29 12:03:19 PM  
I can understand in theory why Florida has a law like this in place- they certainly get more than their share of apocalyptic weather- and I'm sure scammers must flock to disaster areas. But this obviously should not fall into that category- the guy is totally qualified (even though not licensed in FLA) he is not trying to scam his friend- and having spent a lot of time in this area of Florida I am sure all the local contractors are lining up to kiss the rich asses of the fat cat homeowners in the area that need repairs and blowing off little guys with less financial clout left and right.
 
2004-08-29 12:05:08 PM  
Joshg

Don't go overboard there man. Government is a sticky situation, and safe to say no hearts or minds will be won to either side today.
Having said that digest this: Libertarian philosophy rests entirely on the shoulders of responsibility.
You think that wiring job is going to catch fire, have someone who knows what they are doing wire it. You don't know how to frame a house? Don't, hire a carpenter.

It's a lost art this damn accountability thing. Lawyers aren't the answer, nor are endless reams of piddly laws and licenses. We built the greatest free society in the world with the smallest government for over a century, why ruin it now?


It's a lost art this damn responsibility. Lawyers aren't the answer, nor are endless reams of piddly laws and licenses. We built the greatest free society in the world with the smallest government for over a century, why ruin it now?
 
2004-08-29 12:06:37 PM  
Ah, nothing like a good case of asshattery in the morning.
 
2004-08-29 12:07:21 PM  
isn't it worth it to simply deal with such screw ups as they arrive?

No it's not. How about fewer stupid laws like this "felony" and less government interference?
 
2004-08-29 12:07:37 PM  
Stupid cut and paste, someone should sue MS for my screw up.

*sigh*

Or maybe it was worth restating. Yeah that's the ticket.
 
2004-08-29 12:09:26 PM  
Alex Arzoomanian

HAH More like Armand Tanzarian!

 
2004-08-29 12:10:18 PM  
That's a damn shame, incidently, my uncle, a licensed contractor went across country (not to FL)to help his son build a house. Could he have gotten into trouble?
Also, how did they know that he was a contractor? Is it illegal for Joe Shmo from Florida to repair his own roof? Or were they doing such a good job that they couldn't have been non contractors.
I think there's something fishy going on here.
By definition a contractor is: "One that agrees to furnish materials or perform services at a specified price, especially for construction work." I suppose if the Florida friend doesn't pay his contractor friend and instead send him a bunch of oranges at chrismastime than there's no harm. If they really are friends to begin with.
 
2004-08-29 12:11:15 PM  
Heh.. Areola County.

/now if you'll excuse me I have to go take a wicked 'yes'.
 
2004-08-29 12:11:30 PM  
mr_bunny said,

"Random Reality Check

We haven't all failed. Seriously though, everyone calls we Libertarians nutjobs until something like this comes along, then it all starts to make sense."


Two points:

1.) I disagree, we have all failed. It was ALL of our responsibility to keep this from happening. By not making sure our populace was educated enough to understand the issues and allowing these idiot laws to be put in place, I blame every single one of us - including myself.

2.) Originally, I found the Libertarian views interesting until I looked a little deeper. I think Joshg mentioned several things that relate to this very succinctly. Furthermore, the idea that people will take care of their own without government is clearly discredited by the fact that American children go to bed every night hungry. Not one or two but millions of them. We should all be deeply ashamed.

The reality is that we like to think of ourselves as far more generous than we are. Conversely, perhaps if we weren't still building Aircraft Carriers getting ready to fight the last generation's war, maybe we would have more money of our own to spend helping other Americans!
 
2004-08-29 12:15:09 PM  
File under "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished."
 
2004-08-29 12:15:24 PM  
How could he get charged with over-charging when he didn't charge anyone anything.

/... that sentence made my head hurt
 
2004-08-29 12:17:51 PM  
Random Reality Check

It's not my responsibility to make sure your children or anyone else's get fed, it's yours or there's. The Trojans are located by the KY at Albertson's. If you can't afford kids, don't have them.
Responsibility.

Nowhere in the Constitution am I to be held accountable for the actions of others, only myself. My kids are fed, my family are law abiding folks.
Responsibility.

Not a flame, just a retort.
 
2004-08-29 12:21:44 PM  
This needs a Floridasinine tag.
 
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