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2004-08-26 03:13:58 PM  
Can't these people play a farking game without hurting each other? How much of a klutz can you be? I've used a hockey stick before, it's not exactly hard to control.
 
2004-08-26 03:18:22 PM  

Get up off the ice and quit whinning, you sound like you're a Frenchie.
 
2004-08-26 03:19:08 PM  
Well, duh.
 
2004-08-26 03:25:31 PM  
That's why I like playing it.
 
2004-08-26 03:26:17 PM  
Alexis, hockey is and always has been a contact sport. Please don't forget players are riding on these things called "ice skates" while they're handling said hockey sticks.

/and no, I don't condone the actions of this one player mentioned in the article... but damn, hitting people is part of the game, not unlike football

 
2004-08-26 03:27:02 PM  
We have CCM, Jofa and others to thank for this trend- plastic visors.
And idiot coaches/parents who never taught the friggin kids to keep that damn thing down on the ice- you never know, a puck might find its way to your blade.
Back in the day, one would get a misconduct or suspension if you got whistled for the stick above your knees... ( not nhl of course ).
Body check me- fine. Swing that stick by my head and I will take the five for punching you right in the grill.
/never wore visor, and wont when i skate again
 
2004-08-26 03:36:20 PM  
Can't these people play a farking game without hurting each other? How much of a klutz can you be? I've used a hockey stick before, it's not exactly hard to control.

Yeah, I've thrown a baseball a few times and never hit anyone. Why do MLB pitchers hit batters like once a game? They must be real hacks. I couldn't possibly be not understanding the game here.
 
2004-08-26 03:41:30 PM  
fnord.
 
2004-08-26 03:46:08 PM  
2004-08-26 03:13:58 PM Alexis


Can't these people play a farking game without hurting each other? How much of a klutz can you be? I've used a hockey stick before, it's not exactly hard to control.


You've never played hockey. Its a contact sport.
 
2004-08-26 03:53:41 PM  
even non-contact hockey leagues have some degree of contact in them. in fact, there is usually only one division in a league that allows checking (the highest level of course)
there is contact in hockey, its the nature of the coolest game on earth.

and my current full shield has a few deep gouges in it.. had it not been for the shield.. i wouldnt been cut nicely.
/pats his Itech shield
 
2004-08-26 03:55:55 PM  
The same applies to water polo. All the people who complain about the violence in hockey are nothing but crybabies. It also reminds me of the argument for sex/violence on public airwaves - if you don't want to watch/hear it, turn the goddamn set off. And like said before, hockey is a CONTACT SPORT meaning that the essence of the game includes the contact. If you want some fufu sport where people just wank eachother off for the whole set, may I suggest a serving of golf.

/sheesh, some people are just too anal
 
2004-08-26 03:56:38 PM  
Taken a stick to the throat unintetionally in a game. Majorly sucked. These two assclowns were swinging at each other intentionally. This is also why I wear a full face sheild now.
 
2004-08-26 03:58:40 PM  
In hockey, you are consenting to a certain level of suck.
 
2004-08-26 04:08:46 PM  
I have a friend who plays in a semi-pro league. Last season he took a major slash that didn't get called, so he slashed the ref, who for some reason didn't kick him out of the game.

On the next face-off with the guy who slashed him, he had about six inches of the top of his stick poking out the top of his glove, and he brought it from underneath and jammed it into the guy's jaw, dropping him to the ground.

They drank beers together that night, laughing about it. As they put it: That's hockey.
 
2004-08-26 04:17:42 PM  
Alexis

Can't these people play a farking game without hurting each other? How much of a klutz can you be? I've used a hockey stick before, it's not exactly hard to control.

Wow.
Sorry my friend, but you may live to regret this comment by the time this thread is over.
Plenty will disagree with what I'm about to say too, but they won't be anyone who knows anything about hockey. Hockey players are the most skilled professional athletes of any pro sport. The combination of size, strength, grace, hand-eye co-ordination, intuition, creativity, bla, bla, bla that is required to be a pro hockey player is unparalleled in sports. To call them klutzes demonstrates a certain ignorance of hockey, and makes me wonder if you've ever even watched it, let alone played it.
Picking up a hockey stick doesn't really qualify you as an expert on the sport. To even acquire "hack" status, you must have held a hockey stick with a puck on it, while wearing skates, while a 220-pound man moving at a high rate of speed is trying to take it away from you any way he can.

Try that and then ask again if these guys are klutzes.
 
2004-08-26 04:20:58 PM  
And, of course, with that said, I should add that the two players in the story are complete idiots, who can be found in any sport you care to mention.
 
2004-08-26 04:40:43 PM  
Just to threadjack a bit: The latest press release from Bill Daly of the NHL sounds awfully pessimistic. Hopefully it's just posturing.
 
2004-08-26 04:46:00 PM  
FPS I don't think it's posturing. I don't think this season will start on time if at all.
 
2004-08-26 04:59:16 PM  
The Mrs. is a BIG hockey fan.

Me, meh. It's certianly more interesting than baseball, though. I would watch hockey more if the game rules had a wider net for higher scoring, more people on the ice at any time and much more violence.
 
2004-08-26 05:04:43 PM  
btw people, videogames cause violence ;)

Ack just saying.
 
2004-08-26 05:05:44 PM  
In other news, a HOCKEY league plays during AUGUST.

Wake me when the Stanley Cup Playoffs start.
 
2004-08-26 05:07:44 PM  
...In other news, there is hockey in Kazahkstan?!! Kewl.

Actually, I play and I could maaybeee get on board with Alexis if I'm reading her post aright... Yes, hockey is a physical contact game, and if you play you can expect some injuries. Even some accidents that are life-threatening. On the other hand, there's really no excuse for some of the punching and slashing crap in the pros.
 
2004-08-26 05:08:31 PM  
Took a stick to the neck once (no face shield)...1 exposed jugular, 15 (or so, can't really remember) huge stitches. That's just hockey - it happens. You just have to accept it every time you step onto the rink.
 
2004-08-26 05:09:04 PM  
they need to put these asshats in jail & these bad tempers will go away. Get these thugs out of a great game. That being said, a good punch in the kisser is always an acceptable response to boorish behavior.
 
2004-08-26 05:09:41 PM  
I would watch hockey more if the game rules had a wider net for higher scoring, more people on the ice at any time and much more violence.


and no icing or blue line either....and more chainsaws and fricking sharks with laser beams attached to their heads.

PLEASE cancel your season, NHL. That means approx. 5 minutes extra per SportsCenter, for REAL sports. And no lame-ass sports radio blocks devoted to whether this is the Rangers / Sharks / Flyers / Coyotes year. NOBODY CARES.
 
2004-08-26 05:09:57 PM  
Violent hockey...bring it on!
I LOVE IT!!!!!!

/just a touch of SARCASM - Hockey rules - other sports are good too :)
 
2004-08-26 05:10:00 PM  
Let me get this straight: Player A swings his stick at the back of Player B's head, which all but misses, just glancing off the helmet. Player B retaliates by swinging his stick in Player A's face while he is on his knees.

Jesus. Two dickheads who have no business being on the ice. I'd say Player A had it coming to him, but nobody needs to be swinging their stick at guys' heads, whether the other shmuck did it first or not.

Don't make us break out the Nerf sticks!
 
2004-08-26 05:10:08 PM  
William Kennedy Smith has a similar saying on his doormat.

/Bu-dum-bum-bwahhhh.
 
2004-08-26 05:10:43 PM  
Hockey may be a contact sport, but I don't recall intentionally swinging a hockey stick like a baseball bat and whacking someone upside the head part of the game. But maybe I haven't watched enough hockey games... *shrug*
 
2004-08-26 05:12:19 PM  
Now that I've RTFA:

That kind of stuff isn't (or shouldn't be) "just part of hockey". Lifetime bans all around. They should've just dropped the gloves and gone at it.
 
2004-08-26 05:13:39 PM  
Yeah, uh, no guff.

Before we all condemn this kid, though, keep in mind that this was a blind retaliatory swing at a player who had just swung at his head (but fortunately missed). This doesn't excuse it, and he deserves punishment, but this wasn't nearly as bad as the Bertuzzi incident.

By the way, Perezhogin is going to be a star in the NHL someday. He's got amazing hands. Gainey is even considering sticking it to the AHL and playing him on the Habs this season, if there is one.
 
2004-08-26 05:13:48 PM  
 
2004-08-26 05:14:39 PM  
I agree: cancel the NHL season, contract half the league, enforce the rules, shorten the season, shrink the playoff structure. Then I will watch hockey in 2005-06.

Until then: all college basketball, all the time this winter!
 
2004-08-26 05:14:55 PM  
By the way, Perezhogin is going to be a star in the NHL someday

Not anymore.
 
2004-08-26 05:15:13 PM  
FPS, johnz16

I think it'd be wise to start watching college hockey now in anticipation of the MIA NHL action.

pheen

the guys in your story sound like pricks. He slashed the ref?! Whatever happened to just leaning your shoulder into the guys jaw near the boards and laying him out cleanly? Or throwing down the gloves and duking it out. Intentionally hitting someone else with your stick intending to cause injury, especially above the shoulders, should be an automatic multigame suspension. That's not hockey, that's asshatery.

PS - I play in an amateur league, so I'm not just coaching from the couch.
 
2004-08-26 05:15:47 PM  
In hockey, you are consenting to a certain level of assault

While on Fark, you are you are consenting to a certain level of INsult.
 
2004-08-26 05:15:49 PM  
Look, this kind of crap has been going on in hockey for decades. Mcsorely and Bertuzzie weren't the first two guys to have criminal charges against them. Its been going on since the 70's.

If Steve More's kneck didn't get broken, you would have never heard about it. That doesn't make it right but we need to get a grip here.
 
2004-08-26 05:16:41 PM  
PhantomPhark Relax, college hockey hasn't started yet.

But it's usually better than the NHL anyway.
 
2004-08-26 05:16:58 PM  


/wants to play Blades of Steel RIGHT NOW
 
2004-08-26 05:17:17 PM  
I've been just about dying to talk about hockey. this came at the perfect time.

alienated
We have CCM, Jofa and others to thank for this trend- plastic visors.
And idiot coaches/parents who never taught the friggin kids to keep that damn thing down on the ice- you never know, a puck might find its way to your blade.
Back in the day, one would get a misconduct or suspension if you got whistled for the stick above your knees... ( not nhl of course ).
Body check me- fine. Swing that stick by my head and I will take the five for punching you right in the grill.


You hit the nail on the head. Except you have to accept a certain amount of European influence as well. They all wear the visor, they don't have to control the stick over there.

and...

Mr. Bungle At Work
The same applies to water polo.

Let's leave water polo out of all hockey discussions, you know, as a general rule.
 
2004-08-26 05:18:09 PM  
Heh, play goalie, had a guy once swing at my head. Heard his blade go past my ear.

I yelled at him that the next time his stick came that close to my face, he was going down.

Ref noticed the commotion. Gave him 2 for high sticking. I told the ref he didn't hit me, so the ref said 'fine' and gave him 2 for unsportsmanlike behavior.

I'm sure the ref's decision was influenced by the fact that the guy cross-checked me while I was covering the puck earlier in the game.

Oh, and I've never heard of a non-contact league. No-checking leagues, sure, but there's a WORLD of difference between 'no-contact' and 'no-checking'.
Hockey rules.
 
2004-08-26 05:18:44 PM  
I agree with the PSA

anyone that doesn't watch hockey should. hell, hang out at the local arena and wait for the competitive leagues to start playing

I almost broke my neck four times last season, because of the same guy hitting me from behind everytime I went digging in my own corner for the puck. It is a mentally and physically demanding game that no other sport tolerates to the extremes that hockey can (and will) take it.

Have you ever taken a hip check? have you ever dealt one? ever had your ankles slashed or being tag teamed by guys twice your size in the corner, and all they would love to do is drive your face through the glass?

what these two did was step over the fine line that hockey players tred along for 60 whole minutes of intense action. They deserve all that they get for stepping over that line, because they let their emotions go unchecked. hockey may be swift and violent, but the majority of us can, in fact, keep ourselves in just enough control to NOT kill the guy across from you.

if you don't understand anything I said, then please don't demonize the sport I live and breathe, because, if you can't even make the attempt to experience, even for a few minutes, the intesity and bliss that is hockey, you'll never understand.


(list of hockey injuries: torn foot ligaments, sore necks , backs, arms, cut, scrapes. only one major injury in 9 years of playing competitive contact hockey, however, nearly broken my neck at least 20 times because of asshatery committed against me)

/I ramble, can you tell?
 
2004-08-26 05:19:59 PM  
There's not going to be a hockey season. Shortened or otherwise. The two sides are miles apart. Enjoy the World Cup of Hockey. There's going to be some great games, and it'll be the last time you see most of those guys for a year. You got the college game, but good luck finding that on TV. Unless you live in a college town with a team, you're screwed.

I've got the Swedish League to tide me over, but it's not quite the same.

Worst part of the lock-out, I think, will be the lack of NHL players at the 2006 Olympics. That sucks. I love international hockey.
 
2004-08-26 05:20:03 PM  
...or being tag teamed by guys twice your size in the corner...

Did ya get a reach around?
 
2004-08-26 05:20:32 PM  
It's pretty clear from the actual clip that he wasn't aiming for the head. It's unfortunate that he hit the guy in the head, and punishment should be given because of it(he's already received a 1-year suspension), but really, under normal circumstances (where the stick is to the gut), it's considered a vicious slash: 5 and a game, and maybe a 2-3 game suspension afterwards.
 
2004-08-26 05:20:43 PM  
kyoryu

I'm a 5'8 (off skates) checking defnceman that plays 20-30+ minutes a game. I know your pain, oh how I know it


/has run over his own goalie...twice ;)
 
2004-08-26 05:21:02 PM  
There'll be WHA hockey!

/maybe...if theres a strike...and they decide where the rest of the teams are going...
 
2004-08-26 05:23:19 PM  
I'm going to reiterate my position that saying the appeal of hockey is the grace and speed of the players is like saying the appeal of a Vegas show is the choreography. Sure, they may both contribute to the enjoyment, but the vast majority of people are there for something more animalistic. So why don't we just have the NHL disband and become a professional gladiator combat? Come on, bloodshed and injury and death, it'd sell huge. And we wouldn't have to pretend this whole "chase the little black speck" part was important.
 
2004-08-26 05:24:18 PM  
Yeah, WHA, AHL, doesn't matter.... is it going to be on TV?

I'll watch whatever is on. I'll watch squirt hockey if I had to. The NHL barely got a deal, you think another league is going to be take it's place?
 
2004-08-26 05:25:12 PM  
Stick checking and poke checking is fine, but using a stick as a weapon? Asshattery of the highest order.

I think cross-checking is one of the biggest no-no's (hell, you can really fark someone up hitting them in the upper back/lower neck) and yet it's the most popular activity in front of the goal crease - at every level of hockey.

Heads up, and sticks on the ice people. And if you can't help from having a temper tantrum anytime someone bumps you in a corner, or snags the puck away from your showboating ass, try euchre or spades.
 
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