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2004-08-26 07:25:55 PM  
2004-08-26 01:08:12 PM binnster

Here's a nice chart for ya.

pops

And you gotta love....

I, Republican
The three laws:
1. A Republican may not injure a corporation, or, through inaction, allow a corporation to come to harm.
2. A Republican must obey the orders given it by corporations except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A Republican must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
 
2004-08-26 07:27:02 PM  
Outlawing religion would help with the birth rate.

/diving under chair
 
2004-08-26 07:28:51 PM  
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo wrote:

Part of the problem is that right now, the Repubs control both the congress and the white house. If you actually believe that Kerry is going to spend more money than Bush if he's elected, you're insane. Anything Kerry wants to spend has to be approved by congress. Anything Bush wants to spend will get rubber stamped. So anyone who is truly conservative (fiscally) should vote for gridlock, not for the open wallet policies of GWB.
_____________________________________________________

YES YES YES YES YES EXACTLY.

People are so farking dimwitted. "Kerry is going to raise our taxes and socialize things and yada farking yada etc." His domestic policies will never make it through the Congress. This leaves mainly the area of foreign affairs/diplomacy and the War on Terror for him to work in, which anyone with half a brain could run better than the neo-con Bush administration who is feeding terrorist recruitment while at the same time pissing off the rest of the world.
 
2004-08-26 07:29:51 PM  
2004-08-26 06:58:09 PM todangst

shut up you cocks

Such poetry...
 
2004-08-26 07:30:32 PM  
FortuneCookie - Why? Because all the people on welfare will do is continue to eat money and manufacture more money sucking devices.

The only other options are to give them jobs and spending money, exterminate them, or impose sterilization and eugenics programs upon them. Condoms and other forms of birth control might not be used, and it would be difficult and probably very expensive to force people to use them.

Such population control programs would make for some pretty entertaining campaign commercials, don't you think?

You could stop giving them welfare, of course. That would turn out really well for society, I bet!
 
2004-08-26 07:30:36 PM  
You're only guaranteed the pursuit, NOT the happiness itself.

Don't like the benefits at your job or the lack thereof? Get a better job. Don't have the skills? Take a class. Can't afford a class? Get a 2nd job until you can.

Too difficult? Then you don't really want it bad enough.

/diving back under the chair again
 
2004-08-26 07:30:41 PM  
rosemary
Nice chart. I believe everything I read, especially if it has a nice pretty chart.
 
2004-08-26 07:32:10 PM  
Why does the Census Bureau hate America?
 
2004-08-26 07:32:46 PM  
FortuneCookie

Because it would hurt their feelings if not?

I think it'd be great if we could give every klutz a heap of money for doing next to nothing, but that's not a real workable situation. It's an ideal, and one that can only be mad to work through force and an unequivocal amount of government control over the individual. That's not an ideal I would like to work with.

Neither is the cut-throat business world that is developing where certain players never lose and the little man hardly makes it unless the big man gives him a boost.

What we need is either a strict meritocracy or a frickin huge roullette wheel.
 
2004-08-26 07:33:38 PM  
Grammar Nazis

mad = made
 
2004-08-26 07:34:08 PM  
Contrary to the tone of what I'm saying here, I'm not really a big Bush supporter.

If I had to classify myself, I'm closer to a social conservative and an economic liberal than anything. If there's anything I like about Bush it's some of his social policy... and yes, that's another hundred cans of worms.

But I do get very annoyed when people want to pin everything from economic cycles, to Osama, to their girlfriend breaking up with them - on Bush. Bush is like the El Nino of the 2000's.

Actually... BUSH probably caused EL NINO!

He's probably kind of a shiathead personally, and not the smartest person in the world. But I'm probably a shiat head personally and you're not the smartest person in the world either, and we don't hate ourselves for it.

Last time I checked, Kerry was a politican too... and SCIENCE has proven politician = shiathead. So we have a 100% chance of having a shiathead elected. But then again there is a 99% chance that whoever is reading this (and a 100% chance that whoever is writing this) is just as much of a shiathead, if not an even bigger one.

So if you think Kerry's going to save the world, or Bush destroy it... you're very gullible. They're all in the pockets of people with influence, some of those people want to screw you doggy style, and some of them want to fark you old fashioned missionary style... that's the only difference.

If Kerry gets elected, you're going to feel like a stupid ass when you realize two years from now that your life is basically just the same as it ever was. You should probably hope Bush gets elected, just so you'll have someone to blame everything that sucks on (other than yourself of course, because we all know you are completely innocent).
 
2004-08-26 07:36:37 PM  
Maybe they should have tried harder when they were younger and in school.

Where the hell is personal responsibility these days.

Then go to college on a full scholarship like I did and get a decent job. Try not to have kids when you can't afford them.

/common sense
 
2004-08-26 07:37:31 PM  
Blindman

Go ahead and make all the fun you want.

The BOTTOM LINE is that we are FAR TOO COMPLACENT to demand any real change.

The "WE" are the disinfranchised. You're part of it, too. You're not going to GET any secret handshakes, you're just at a different part of the pyramid scheme. For the benefit of a few--the 1% that pretty much control it all.

I'm giving capitalism another 50 years or less.

But only if people get pissed enough to change it.
 
2004-08-26 07:38:27 PM  
Scrotar
The only other options are to give them jobs and spending money, exterminate them, or impose sterilization and eugenics programs upon them

You left out one important option. "Provide them the opportunity to educate themselves and develop marketeable skills and let them find their own job, one that pays them the value of the skills they provide." But then again, why teach a man to fish when you can just keep giving him a weekly fish allowance for the rest of his life.
 
2004-08-26 07:38:45 PM  
Sure, W let you keep $300 more of your money, and gave hundreds of millions in tax breaks and subsidies to very rich people and corporations, which are going to be paid for by YOU in the future.

The working poor, even if they pay zero federal income tax, actually have a higher tax burden since they still pay payroll tax, social security, etc.

Fiscal conservatism is virtually extinct in washington, and it's certainly not practiced by those running the GOP anymore.
 
2004-08-26 07:39:57 PM  
BlindMan wrote:

If Kerry gets elected, you're going to feel like a stupid ass when you realize two years from now that your life is basically just the same as it ever was. You should probably hope Bush gets elected, just so you'll have someone to blame everything that sucks on (other than yourself of course, because we all know you are completely innocent).
__________________________________

Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that these two are almost exactly alike and our lives under each are going to go the same either way...

Then we should still vote for Kerry based on the sole reason that most of our traditional allies and their populations view Bush as a madman, thus gaining back at least some measure of respect for the country by removing him.
 
2004-08-26 07:41:05 PM  
"Provide them the opportunity to educate themselves and develop marketeable skills and let them find their own job, one that pays them the value of the skills they provide." But then again, why teach a man to fish when you can just keep giving him a weekly fish allowance for the rest of his life.

Exactly!
 
2004-08-26 07:41:10 PM  
whidbey
What's your alternative to capitalism?
 
2004-08-26 07:41:19 PM  
eat the rich
 
2004-08-26 07:42:08 PM  
I try to see it like this... Bush policy to date has been completely irresponsible. He spent us into a hole, he started a war in a country that didn't have the capability to attack us and his domestic policies are making it so even Ted Kennedy can't get on an airplane these days without a full body cavity search (ugh, there's an image I'm sorry to have foisted off on everyone...)

Forget about comparing Bush to Kerry. Does Bush deserve another 4 years at the helm? Think of this as the ultimate annual performance review. Was our country better off before Bush got his advisors hands on things? Absolutely we were. So Bush needs to go.

Given that what are the alternatives? Kerry and thousands of crack addicts running as "local" presidential candidates all over the country.

I would rather see the looney right wing throw away their vote on Lyndon LaRouche than vote for Bush.
 
2004-08-26 07:42:35 PM  
DarthBrooks

Since you have no idea what the hell you're talking about as usual, HERE are some more accurate illustrations of poverty in America...



 
2004-08-26 07:44:08 PM  
What's your alternative to capitalism?

Well, I know you're gonna love me for this...

But it's got to be a true form of communism.

We're clearly not ready for it. Too much greed, too much I-me-mine, and Those in Power, the Real Rulers (more capitalized words, I know) don't have any vested interest in giving up or sharing their power, even if giving up that power would make for a better world.

I know, I know...too idealistic.

But it's got to happen. Or you can kiss freedom goodbye forever.
 
2004-08-26 07:44:15 PM  
CruJones

Common sense? Personal responsibility? BLASPHEMER! We all know that we're all the cause of each other's ills. No way we should just lay down and take it with that "Rise and overcome" stuff. Or "true strength comes from within". Ha! What a crock that is!

/Hear that? It's Marcus Aurelius spinning.
 
2004-08-26 07:44:30 PM  
And you gotta love....

I, Democrat
The three laws:
1. A Democrat may not injure a goverment bureaucracy, or, through inaction, allow a corporation to come to harm.
2. A Democrat must obey the orders given it by goverment bureaucracies except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A Democrat must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
 
2004-08-26 07:44:46 PM  
I think some of you have missed the point. If you have a million dollars, and live off of dividends and interest, you're probably considered poor because your AGI is below $18,000.

My Mom worked at a grocery store in a seedy area, and the people that would come in and be on welfare would end up making the equivilent of $35,000/year between their welfare, food stamps, WIC, section-8, and medicaid.

The really nifty scam they pulled was to buy high quality meats and seafood, and sell them to restaurants for cash.

Personally, I think people on welfare should be tested for
drugs, tobacco, and alcohol. If you can't afford to support yourself, you can't afford weed, crack, smoking, or drinking.

/Unemployed (for another day or so), and have eaten about $1.50 in food today.
 
2004-08-26 07:45:07 PM  
2004-08-26 06:18:22 PM Smookyfufu
Cap'n, brace yourselves! It's about to hit Farklite!


That's it... I'm going TOTALFARK
 
2004-08-26 07:45:21 PM  
i need zoloft
 
2004-08-26 07:47:01 PM  
whidbey
If we had a "true form of communism" in place we would have already kissed our freedom goodbye.
 
2004-08-26 07:49:44 PM  
I disagree, FortuneCookie...

I'm not talking about a militaristic state like the Soviets or North Korea.

I'm talking about TRUE community, where people care about one another and HELP each other.
 
2004-08-26 07:51:48 PM  
I, Democrat
The three laws:
1. A Democrat may not injure a goverment bureaucracy, or, through inaction, allow a corporation to come to harm.
2. A Democrat must obey the orders given it by goverment bureaucracies except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A Democrat must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.


Right, because it's Donald Rumsfeld (D) and George W. Bush (D) who are thoroughly opposed to the bureaucratic restructuring recommended by the 9/11 commission, whereas John Kerry (R) has pledged to enact the commission's recommendations should he be elected.
 
2004-08-26 07:52:02 PM  
"Is our children learning?"
 
2004-08-26 07:52:13 PM  
Like I said, we're not even ready for it.

And I'm not the most eloquent in describing it.

I just know there's a better way to live where you're not someone's slave...
 
2004-08-26 07:52:20 PM  
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't capitalism theoretically supposed to be a logical step towards communism?
 
2004-08-26 07:52:42 PM  
We DO have a "true form of communism." It's called "corporatism" and it is just as oppressive.
 
2004-08-26 07:52:50 PM  
FortuneCookie - Provide them the opportunity to educate themselves and develop marketeable skills and let them find their own job, one that pays them the value of the skills they provide.

....like we do, already? :D

Education is inaccessible for many people, so economically and physically distant from them that they might as well be on the moon.
Corporations are moving jobs overseas and brazenly do everything in their power to avoid paying Americans a living wage, therefore requiring them to turn to government assistance.

We're right back where we started, you realize.
 
2004-08-26 07:53:42 PM  
RageAgainstTheMachine

Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that these two are almost exactly alike and our lives under each are going to go the same either way...

Then we should still vote for Kerry based on the sole reason that most of our traditional allies and their populations view Bush as a madman, thus gaining back at least some measure of respect for the country by removing him.


Well first off, I don't think we should assume that, it's clearly true. Any politician that's going to do anything in america has to appeal to a moderate center. Not me, drinking 1990 Dom P. on the golf course and smoking cuban cigars in my solid gold mercedes (with the leather seats made from genuine iraqi chilren) - or you, barefoot protester, who never saw a cause (or a joint) you didn't like... but kind of an average:

Your regular fat sweaty american stupid ass, driving a late model volvo on lease, reading one book a year, trying to ignore 1.4 screaming poorly behaved brats, and knowing fark all about anything.

That guy doesn't really believe in anything, so he's not going to become a fundamentalist and blow himself up. He doesn't want to live in a commune either.

You need that guy on your side or you can't get anything done. And everyone, republicans and democrats alike, have to kind of convince that guy that whatever they are doing for their corporate masters is ok. Of course he can't understand it anyway, and he only listens for five minutes before he goes back to masterbating to britney spears videos and trying to remember when his wife wore a single digit dress size.

Nothing's changing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't. George W. Bush was born into a rich family and a life of priviledge, Kerry is a career poltician (read: self aggrandizing asshole) married to a gold digging harpy who spread her legs for one rich guy, and then changed parties after he kicked the bucket, and she found a new important guy to spread her legs for.

Your life will be just as sorry or great next year as it is now, odds are. You won't wake up shouting with joy, regardless of what the fark is happening in Iraq... let's be honest, that makes a lot less real difference to your mood than last night's baseball scores.
 
2004-08-26 07:54:51 PM  
random_fool your name says it all.

12.5 percent is nothing, eh? Well you tell that the millions of starving children out there starving thanks to the policies of right wing asshats who have highjacked and exploited people's stupidity and ignorance that they were brought up with due to religion.

You people who vote for these assholes are either
A) Rich
B) Religious nut
C) Dumb

I know the mods might think I'm trolling, but I'm not. I really believe this. Reagan tried it for 8 years. Bush Sr. tried it for 4. Clinton came along for 8 and gave the country the biggest surplus in the history of the nation and peace and prosperity. Now Bush Jr. tried again for 4 more years and look just how great things are going.

THE RIGHT WING WAY DOES NOT WORK.

There is so much faking empirical evidence it blows the farking mind.

The fact of the matter is Republicans NEED to keep people divided. The only way for them to survive is by the old principal of divide and conquer. Its why they regularly bring up divisive wedge issues like abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research. Note that these subjects are all designed to hit the ignoramuses who believe every farking thing they hear because "Jesus said so" is appended after it. They also always bring up jingoistic bullshiat like the second amendment to keep the flag waving hypocrites happy. Never mind that that flag youre waving on your SUV is doing NOTHING for the country. Meanwhile your SUV is destroying our air and keeping everyone dependent on the Saudis for oil, but IN AMERICA you have a RIGHT to drive that monstrosity and THOSE LIBERALS ARE GONNA TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU!!!!!!! Nooooooooooo! Dont do anything SUBSTANTIAL for the country, just keep on flying that flag and keep on voting republican!

They keep people voting on their EMOTIONS instead of their BRAINS. Republicans will get tough on criminals! Yea! You do a crime you go to jail FOREVER! Bwahahahaha! But will they fund social programs to prevent crime in the first place? Will they fund schools to keep kids from growing up into a life of gangs? No they wont. But theyll build more jails and they love the death penalty and look at how much the death penalty has done to stop crime! Oh thats right, it hasnt done shiat. But my emotions say "good! Kill that motherfarker for being a murderer!", while my brain says "wait a minute, why cant we prevent it in the first place? Why couldnt that kid have been supported by the government to get out of that life before he pulled that trigger?"

They let huge corporations continue in destroying the environment because the more money the corporations make, the more money that gets donated to them. Add to that the fact that they control the farking media (FOX news, anyone?) and you get how the sheep are farking the rest of us over. Make "liberal" a bad word. Distract the population with bullshiat gay marriage amendments and swift boat ads so they wont notice the complete and utter failure of the current administration in just about every single issue. Define the opponent through labels like "flip flopper".

You know, people are always saying "get out and vote". I say, if you are a dumbass, PLEASE DONT VOTE. Youre farking everything up for all the sane and rational people out there.
 
2004-08-26 07:54:59 PM  
Pharkitect
I would have to say you're wrong but would like to hear why you say that.
 
2004-08-26 07:55:01 PM  
KingKnave

eat the rich

We can afford nice guns. I suggest trying it.
 
2004-08-26 07:55:03 PM  
2004-08-26 07:52:20 PM Pharkitect

You are correct, sir...

I guess that's the only hope I have...is that eventually we'll get around to it.

I wish it were in our lifetime...
 
2004-08-26 07:55:18 PM  
You know that approximately 16 million of the uninsured are uninsured by choice. And, I'm sure you also know that essentially every child who's family can't afford insurance is eligible for coverage through a government program. And, I'm sure that you also know that, after taking into consideration the government benefits available to those below the poverty line (and often 200% of poverty), that these folks pretty much live like every other middle class family in America - House or apartment, three squares, air- conditioning, two TVs, phone, two cars, medical care...

And finally, I'm sure that you know that those guys in the boxes up there^ are mentally ill, not just "poor."
 
2004-08-26 07:55:18 PM  
whidbey
I'd lose the freedom to practice my own personal religous beliefs.
 
2004-08-26 07:58:00 PM  
2004-08-26 07:55:18 PM FortuneCookie

What makes you say that?

Do you think we'd just toss the Bill of Rights out the window? There's plenty to be learned from our Social Contract...it would be the CORNERSTONE of the philosophy. Hey, maybe we'd ACTUALLY take it more seriously, this idea of equality...

Unless, of course, you're NOT serious and are making a smartass comment...;)
 
2004-08-26 07:58:25 PM  
MegaDethHead

If you really think everyone who disagrees with you politically is an idiot... you are a danger to both yourself and the gene pool.
 
2004-08-26 07:58:41 PM  
KingKnave

eat the rich

...the poor are tough and stringy!
 
2004-08-26 07:58:43 PM  
I would never, ever willingly give up anything I have worked my ass off to earn in order to give it someone else that sits on their ass just so they can feel "equal".

I would immediately become the person sitting on my ass and doing nothing while grumbling about the "good old days".
 
2004-08-26 07:58:56 PM  
Actually, communism is the perfect form of society, but it requires a degree of maturity in the populace that will never exist, IMO. It can work on a small scale today, because some people have evolved past the "Me, me, me" stage and past the "Me + my family" stage to the "Me + my family + my community" stage, but not nearly enough people are ever going to get to the "Me + my family + my community + my society" stage, much less the "...+ my planet" stage. Greed is hard-wired into our DNA, it's not going to be overcome anytime soon.
 
2004-08-26 07:59:17 PM  
Welfare is a tiny fraction of the federal budget, and it is dwarfed by expenditures on defense as well as interest on the debt.

Welfare queens are a myth, and we could buy everyone one welfare a new cadillac with the interest alone on the debt W is racking up.

The only thing more absurd is W's crowing over the elimination of the "death tax", which amounts to a giveaway to people who were born multimillionaires
 
2004-08-26 07:59:20 PM  
Megadeth...

I've not looked at your profile, so I don't know whether your age is listed. That said, I would be stunned if you were older than 22. While ignorance and youth are not always coextensive, there are occasions where they perfectly converge.
 
2004-08-26 08:01:43 PM  
Cowboy Spencer
keg_monkey is correct. The cheapest food is the worst for you.


I absolutely disagree. Have you ever even been to a grocery store???

For approx $5 you get one full meal at McD's. If you are smart I think you could get 5 meals at the grocery store. Do you have any idea how many potatoes you can get for $5? Bread is around a buck a loaf (safeway brown, 99 cents IIRC). Apples? For $5 I'm fairly sure you could get over a dozen. Hell for 50 cents or whatever you can get a pack of noodles. Etc, etc.
 
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