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2004-08-22 12:12:16 PM
Just think of what she could do with three sticks, or four, or five! Yes five, and I'll rule the world! MUHAAHAHAHAHA!

/Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
//Gee, I think so, but where are going to get rubber pants our size?
 
2004-08-22 12:16:31 PM
"You are a tool, I'm going to say, of a higher being," Young said, her gentle smile not quite masking the seriousness behind her statement. "I can't do this myself; I'm only a tool.

While reading this...I had a sudden flash back:(que swirly screen & harp playing)

2004-04-03 11:48:27 PM OneHandFapping
DaSnipah, you foolish little lite, the TFers are like Gods among insects when we traverse into your mortal realm.

We do not get tricked, unlike our Greek counterparts. Our wangs are mighty, our brains finely tuned, and our hats completely assless. Unless we like it that way, which in that case they are overflowing with ass.
 
2004-08-22 12:30:21 PM
 
2004-08-22 12:50:02 PM
Send her over to James Randi so she can get her million bucks. That is, if she isn't full of shiat and can do this in a properly monitored scientific environment.
 
2004-08-22 02:00:26 PM
I can spot bullshiat, and I don't even need two sticks.
 
2004-08-22 02:01:50 PM
So of the two sticks she used, was it both her husband and her boyfriend at the same time? Or was it two helpful gentlemen that came along who had the kind of sticks she needed to find the water?
 
2004-08-22 02:03:01 PM
Since when does water divining merit front page posting? Have none of you ever seen "In Search Of..." or "How'd They Do That"!?!

/rerun overrun upbringing
 
2004-08-22 02:03:07 PM
Having not RTFA, I must say this is one of the most bizarre Fark headlines in quite a while.
 
2004-08-22 02:04:31 PM
This really isn't such a big deal. A lot of environmental consultants and well drillers use this technique. Or, you just look at the land features and go from there.
 
2004-08-22 02:04:55 PM
Can she find oil?
 
2004-08-22 02:05:45 PM
"You are a tool, I'm going to say"

haha, score one for taking things out of context!
 
2004-08-22 02:06:00 PM
This is in the news? My geology professor debunked this bullshiat my first week of college.
 
2004-08-22 02:06:05 PM
Yeah, it's called Dowsing. You can find a lot of things besides just water with it.

/didn't RTFA
 
2004-08-22 02:08:12 PM
"I'm reading...no...I'm feeling that here, or maybe here, there is a strong line running south, or maybe east..."

*looks over at city engineer who has site plan*

"My gosh you're absolutely right, it's like you can see underground!"
 
2004-08-22 02:08:36 PM
You can also find underground lines and gas tanks via this method.
 
2004-08-22 02:09:23 PM
 
2004-08-22 02:09:48 PM
DMI_fan

This really isn't such a big deal.

True, because it doesn't do anything

A lot of environmental consultants and well drillers use this technique.

A lot of people are stupid, too

Or, you just look at the land features and go from there.

Now that makes sense, and you can leave the mystical pseudoscience BS at home
 
2004-08-22 02:11:52 PM
you can probably find water almost anywhere if you just dig deep enough...
 
2004-08-22 02:13:09 PM
Further proof that there is no intelligent life west of the Mississippi.
 
2004-08-22 02:14:25 PM
Nice reference Mercutio879.
 
2004-08-22 02:14:40 PM
I can find moisture with my one tool. She has to be in the mood,though.
 
2004-08-22 02:23:56 PM
"Send her over to James Randi so she can get her million bucks. That is, if she isn't full of shiat and can do this in a properly monitored scientific environment."

The problem with Randi's requirements is that he will not allow the experiment to be double-blind (I.E. neither he nor the one doing the demonstration knows the internals, and an outside party unknown to either of them controls the experiment). He insists in keeping his hand well in it, and being that he's very, very, good at slight of hand, etc... I doubt his honesty where any experiment is concerned.
 
2004-08-22 02:24:35 PM
Bunk
 
2004-08-22 02:28:32 PM
SpacePunk

The problem with Randi's requirements is that he will not allow the experiment to be double-blind (I.E. neither he nor the one doing the demonstration knows the internals, and an outside party unknown to either of them controls the experiment). He insists in keeping his hand well in it, and being that he's very, very, good at slight of hand, etc... I doubt his honesty where any experiment is concerned.


Totally false. Randi encourages double-blind testing. Furthermore, so many dowsers apply that he does not personally get involved in the dowsing tests anymore. The tests are done by various local organizations, and no dowser has ever been successful beyond mere chance.
 
2004-08-22 02:28:53 PM
Dousing has been used for centuries to find water underground. Those 'sticks' are also known as 'devining rods'.

They dont only 'fnid water' (among other things), they find the exact spot on a plot of land where the water table is the highest, and the deepest. So, for those who have to drill wells to gain access to water, it is a much used technique.

Why drill 500 feet through the ground to get to water when you can drill 100 feet and be done?

Dont laugh and joke too much (though it does seem kinda 'witchy', so I can see the initial disbelief) because it actually does work.

I grew up in the backwoods of TN and we used a douser to find our well sites every time we dug one. If you were to talk to 90% of the folks that live in many rural country areas - my bet would be that their wells were spotted by a douser.

:)

/Disclaimer: I no longer live in podunk land and have advanced myself to the point that I get my water like every other city dweller does.. off a truck in 10 gallon bottles.
 
2004-08-22 02:30:33 PM
No, seriously, people have done this for a long time, well documented. If this woman thinks its mystical powers, she's a bit of a crackpot, but many people have proven that it works.
 
2004-08-22 02:32:59 PM
It really works though, This is absolutly true, when I was a kid we had a neighbour who needed to find his underground well (i think the pump bust or something) anyhow they tried to find it but couldn't so this other guy comes along and gets 2 welding rods and puts a 90 degree bend in the ends and then holds them loosly in his hands next to each other. He then procedes to walk back and fourth over the garden and then over one spot the welding rods crossed..... they then dug down and found the well in that exact spot.

I even tried it and it worked, no skill involved it just worked
 
2004-08-22 02:34:22 PM
woobie

If you read the Snopes article linked by illuminatis you will see that it "works" because you can drill anywhere in TN and find water. You don't know that it is the place where water is closer to the surface because once you have a well you are not going to drill a dozen more just to see what other locations on your property look like.
 
2004-08-22 02:37:19 PM
a) She can't do what she claims.
b) If she could, James Randi would give her a $1000000.
c) If asked, she will come up with endless lames excuses for not being tested properly.

Under test conditions, dowsers have never done any better than chance.

See
http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html
and
http://www.randi.org if you think you can do it and would like a $1000000.
 
2004-08-22 02:38:41 PM
I can't do this myself; I'm only a tool. It's like I asked people who came here today how did you come in this room? They say I came in through the door.' But before they came through the door, they had to open the door. Do you know what I'm saying?"

-----

nuh...oh...I get it !
 
2004-08-22 02:38:55 PM
NotSoSuperMan

...many people have proven that it works.


Name one. A link would be even better.
 
2004-08-22 02:45:59 PM
I'm finding a hard time buying all this..

BUT... some of you are SO against it (OMG! SUCH BS! LEAVE THIS MYSTICAL PSEUDOSCIENCE AT HOMEE!) that they may be onto someting...
 
2004-08-22 02:48:33 PM
The best way to locate any underground resource is to dig post holes for a new fence without bothering to call the local utility companies. My neighbor two doors down managed to not only locate the copper telephone cable, but the fiber optic cable a foot or so deeper.
 
2004-08-22 02:51:26 PM
There are alot of people that think they can do this. Some use a Y-shaped stick. In the old ages the hired these people to come and find a spot where the well should be.
Don't know if it works though?
 
2004-08-22 02:53:04 PM
Codyl

Yeah, I'm pretty adamant. I've been watching this nonsense for years, and I'm starting to lose patience with human stupidity. I'll have a couple more beers and try to calm down.
 
2004-08-22 02:57:24 PM
woobie
Dousing has been used for centuries to find water underground.

And animal insestines have been used for centuries to predict stuff. The Earth was thought to be flat for thousands of years. Horoscopes. Longevity of a belief does not equal validity.

Why drill 500 feet through the ground to get to water when you can drill 100 feet and be done?

Did you or any of your neighbors subsequently dig a large number of other wells in areas that the douser dismissed? If not, then you wouldn't know if he missed many better areas.

If you were to talk to 90% of the folks that live in many rural country areas - my bet would be that their wells were spotted by a douser.

Again with the flat Earth, animal guts, horoscopes. Many erroneous beliefs have been believed by large numbers of people. Unless those beliefs are tested, they cannot be trusted. Please note: most people are not qualified to test or testify said predictions. Most people simply haven't dug enough wells to get a good idea. A veteran well driller who wants to believe in dousing will more than likely have a selective memory. I remember the nights I got laid much more clearly than those I don't, though the latter outnumber the former.
 
2004-08-22 02:59:27 PM
Good God, where are Penn and Teller when you need them.
 
2004-08-22 03:04:29 PM
A lot of environmental consultants and well drillers use this technique.


I'm an environmental consultant, and the whole lot of us is nuts, I'm telling you.
 
2004-08-22 03:09:46 PM
/finds aces and tens every time I have a mimimally small bet on felt.

/works every time, proven by millions

/did hit 21 three times in a row on the roulette wheel..If I only hadn't pulled back a little of the last bet....

/IRS got thier half on signle payout of over 10k, you gotta sign before you get it....no more cashing chips in $1k at a time :-(
 
2004-08-22 03:18:30 PM
"Remember that guy who used a pitchfork?" says John Young.

"And what about that girl from Ekalaka who did it with a pliers?" Bandy responds.

"And then there was that guy with the fishing pole," Young said.


Suddenly I have the urge to crash next years convention to "find water" using my duel flame throwing chainsaws technique. I would live forever in their freaky legends.
 
2004-08-22 03:20:29 PM
That's funny. I can find liquor with a sheet of paper and a ballpoint pen...and reservations at restaurants with a single phone.

When she can turn up a whole rack of babyback ribs, hushpuppies, and a mess of greens with her sticks, I might call her, or go back into my kitchen and start without her...
 
2004-08-22 03:20:39 PM
That's divine.
 
2004-08-22 03:22:23 PM
revrendjim, you ever actually tried it?

I've used the technique to locate buried utilities. cut a coathanger in two and make each into an ell shape. They will cross when you walk over a magnetic field, or under a power line.

I used to have a pair of steel toe boots that every time the left one came forward under my witching rods, they would come together.

Disclaimer: I am actually a scientist, and quite skeptical, but open minded. I don't know what is involved, or the inherent accuracy. But I saw it done once and tried it myself. I don't depend on it before I have my drill crews punch in, but I use is as a supplemental tool.

Oh, by the way, you can find groundwater most everywhere. But it is not always good or in enough quantity. I'll be poking holes in the ground in Tennessee for the next two weeks, and we expect to hit saturation by 30 feet.
 
2004-08-22 03:28:29 PM
woobie

They dont only 'fnid water' (among other things), they find the exact spot on a plot of land where the water table is the highest, and the deepest...
I grew up in the backwoods of TN and we used a douser to find our well sites every time we dug one.


How many times did you dig wells on your property? It seems to me that if the dowser had actually "hit the best spot", you wouldn't have needed to dig more than one well. If the dowser had actually found the spot where the water table was deepest, and the well you put there eventually ran dry, any subsequent well on the property would also be dry.

The fact of the matter is that if you sink a deep enough hole anywhere in Tennessee, you will find water, so it really didn't matter where the dowser told you to dig, he or she knew you'd get a successful well. I hope you didn't pay too much for this "service".
 
2004-08-22 03:31:24 PM
rockhound, what's preventing you from doing it under proper test conditions and claiming the million, then? :)

Should be dead easy, surely?
 
2004-08-22 03:32:16 PM
rockhound

revrendjim, you ever actually tried it?


No, and I haven't tried homeopathy, crystal healing, astrology, or palm reading. If it works, then it can be demonstrated scientifically in a controlled double-blind setting. To date, this has not happened. Until it does, I will remain skeptical.
 
2004-08-22 03:33:15 PM
What million?
 
2004-08-22 03:34:27 PM
I know it's not true because I just read my tea leaves and they said so. So there.
 
2004-08-22 03:43:59 PM
rockhound
Here
 
2004-08-22 03:48:39 PM
I've tried homoepathy, didn't work for me.. but it might still work for people who believe in it, I dunno..
 
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