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(The Register)   Judge questions RIAA copyright for MP3s   ( divider line
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2002-02-01 02:11:06 PM  
Blah blah blah... who cares. We have Morpheus.
2002-02-01 02:11:43 PM  


2002-02-01 02:14:35 PM  
Kill those RIAA farking pigfarkers.
2002-02-01 02:15:11 PM  
"Pigopoly"... not too bad a word
2002-02-01 02:16:18 PM  
I hope Napster Pursues this, cause then we could all just transfer all our music to mp3, and they would no longer copyrighted...SWEET! although I am curious if that also includes all digital music... ie CDs, and if that works, then don't forget the MPAA and DVDs, amd mpeg format...
2002-02-01 02:17:50 PM  
Clearly Napster is going to wuss out on this one.
2002-02-01 02:18:03 PM  
Flush the R.I.A.A. down the toilet.
2002-02-01 02:18:04 PM  



And N'sync's CD too! Oh, and Linkin Park's! SQUEAL!

2002-02-01 02:19:12 PM  
Dammit, I hate it when I get scooped on a story, only to see the headline is 100 times more lame than the hilarious, gut busting one that I provided. The terrorists have won.
2002-02-01 02:22:53 PM  
too little, too late
2002-02-01 02:23:07 PM  
erm.... aren't CD's already digital music? A music track on a CD is basically a redbook file, so does translating it to a different file format change the copyright information? Isn't that like saying that if I translate Stephen King's latest book into Spanish, then it voids the copyright? It's a slippery slope.

I don't particularly care whether the copyright issue is resolved or not, because we are trading music, not selling it, and therefore it isn't illegal.
2002-02-01 02:24:08 PM  
And what was your sooper 1337 headline, might I ask?
2002-02-01 02:27:50 PM  
i like the riaa. i guess they f*cked me till i loved them.
2002-02-01 02:34:18 PM  
My headline was from the CNet version of the story... Of which I found the ticky-tacky copyright thing to be a small part of the story... The real story:

RIAA scrambles to settle with Napster before it runs out of money. Nobody cares. Too busy downloading porn and MP3s on Morpheus.

Ok. Gut bustingly hilarious it is not. But it beats that lame hero tag slapped on this one...
2002-02-01 02:37:06 PM  
mmm.. I wonder if some "big" company out there will back the pockets needed for Napster to continue with this.... especially if a judge has this point of view...interesting indeed... loop holes loop holes....everywhere there's loop Sean Flanning should post on E-bay...."Help Napster Continue Court Battle" and take donations....I'm sure alot would like to see th RIAA get fukd
2002-02-01 02:45:08 PM  
"Marilyn Hall Patel, the district court judge in the Napster case, has been having some very subversive thoughts recently, we learn from case transcripts unsealed this week."

Holy Deja Vu from the Mormon Masturabtion Guide Batman!

Seriously, I'm pretty sure Napster's doomed, but at least this helps keep all the other PTP's everyone uses in operation. Maybe Kazaa could start another server in the middle of the US then, and download speeds will be wicked fast.
2002-02-01 02:55:23 PM  
When you quote Hilary Rosen you should use quotation marks.
2002-02-01 03:18:57 PM  
Now how will hard working record company executives ever make a living?
2002-02-01 03:38:03 PM  
The guys at Napster are such abunch of little girls. Leave it to them to not ask for help from the EFF, the ACLU, or some other acronym, and decide to bend over and run home on all fours.

2002-02-01 03:48:21 PM  

Isn't that the drinking game where you've got the 3 little plastic pigs and you throw them like dice?

*Leaning hog jowler*
2002-02-01 03:58:10 PM  
This is not directed at anybody here (oh, wait, hi there, Sarcasmo ;-)), just in general to comments I see occasionally... Napster's long given up the fight, and alot of folks get on Sean Fanning for selling out, but none of us would have wanted to be where he was, feeling that kind of heat. Sometimes you just get squashed, by forces significantly more powerful than you. I'm sure their will is long broken, their financial resources drying/dried up, and I don't know who'd want to step in and take up their fight in this particular case, but others are learning from their legal model and Patel's comments could still reverberate elsewhere. And yeah, I'm mixing metaphors like a madman, eat me. We'll always enjoy PTP file-trading in some form or another, that was the revolution and can't be undone, and he's partly, perhaps significantly, to thank for that. If I ran into Fanning on the street, I would personally thank him for bringing something cool to the digital world that positively affected most of us. The torch is passing and it's somebody else's turn, but let's all remember how damn cool we thought the Nap was, during its heyday.

I still have a good Pavlovian reaction when I see this:

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2002-02-01 04:14:26 PM  
very well said Peaceboy
2002-02-01 04:16:01 PM  
The record companies don't own the copyrights. They own the profits on the sale of copyrighted material. If they owned the copyrights, they wouldn't really give a crap about that kind of pocket change. The songwriter and the artist get MAYBE fifty cents each on the sale of a $17 CD. They cost MAYBE a buck to manufacture. It's that extra fifteen bucks we're fighting about here.

One thing to bear in mind, though, when you're trading copyrighted material: it's stealing pure and simple. Most of us don't really care about taking dollars out of the fat cat record companies' pockets because they've been systematically screwing the consumer and the recording artist for nearly a century now. But new bands live and die on record sales. Getting signed to a major label for a young band usually means your basically f*cked unless you can sell a sh*tload of CD's. Recording contracts leave the labels holding all the cards and 99% of new bands finish up their first album OWING money to the record label. The band can't get out of their contract until they've fulfilled their 5-6 albums, but the record label can drop them ANYTIME for ANY reason.

So, if you complain, as most of us do, about there not being any good new music out there, or how labels don't support new artists, until the system changes (which it will because of Napster and the like) you must vote with your dollars to support your favorit artists. Otherwise the labels will just shine them and keep looking for the next N' Britney Back Sync Aguilera Boys.

P.S. Why's that kind of crap so popular? Because teeny boppers have mom and dad's money to spend on a CD that has only one song they're going to listen to over and over for two weeks then chuck. The rest of us when we grow up and move out have to plan our purchases a little more carefully.
2002-02-01 04:53:45 PM  
pigmania rules. makin' bacon!!! hoofers and rrrrrrrrrrrazorbacks!
2002-02-01 05:07:11 PM  
I remember in 2nd or 3rd grade I watched an animeted movie called Pigopolous. It was about a society of pigs who cut down trees for fire, furniture, etc. Some pig came up with an invention that would knock the trees down even faster, I think it used an explosive of some sort. Anyways, the trees were dying faster than they could regrow, so the pigs started to thin out the forest. So now there's hardly any trees left, but the piggies keep on blowin up trees, cuz who gives a damn, right? Well, when they finaaly cut too deep into the forset, a giant monster emerges, and starts terrorizing the piggies. You see, the monster lived in the forest peacefully, and couldn't get to the piggies anyways, since there were too many trees. The pigs realize the errors of their ways, and start a little forest conservation deal, and everyone's happy.

The End.

Note: I'm not sure why I wanted to share this with everyone, it's just that reading "Pigopoly" brought it to the surface. Hopefully everyone's learned a lesson.
2002-02-01 05:12:16 PM  
The rules may change but the game will always go on.
2002-02-01 05:18:55 PM  
MP3s have been deprecated... thanks to Vorbis' new format Ogg. Higher quality sound than an MP3 of the same size. Yay.
2002-02-01 05:20:28 PM  
Excellent. I see that the subliminal messages I've been piping through Patel's TV are FINALLY starting to work. Too bad it's too late for Napster.
2002-02-01 05:55:52 PM  
"Bootnote"? Is that a real word over there?
2002-02-01 06:01:22 PM  
even if napster doesn't do nething about it.. u know for damn sure kazaa will if and when the riaa finally has the balls to try to drag them into court.....
2002-02-01 06:55:57 PM  
I agree, Peaceboy. I don't believe Sean can be blamed for it, and I'm not even sure he has any real control over the situation anyway. Maybe he does, but it seems to me like he would need a few years of business classes to avoid being pushed aside by the people struggling to make napster a brand name. My gripe right now, is that lots of other services and individual users are going to get pushed around by the RIAA-gestapo because at this point in time, the biggest name on the side of opposition (Napster) has decided not to even explore the option of fighting the industry. And that decision was probably made collectively in some board meeting, because it wasn't in their best 'business interests'. Their USERS, ARE, THEIR BUSINESS INTEREST.
2002-02-01 07:01:13 PM  
File swapping will NEVER die and the RIAA is sitting back in the middle of the 20th century trying to fight something they can't win because it's the 21st century now and the rules are different now than when they were written.
2002-02-01 07:11:35 PM  
GrizzlyJohnson: That MAYBE $17 CD that costs MAYBE $0.50 to copy and MAYBE $2 to package and deliver produces MAYBE $2 in profit...usually less. Facts say: you're full of shiat.

On that note, I'd like to draw attention to the curious farce that has been the Napster fanbase.

Nap was always about greed and opportunism, not TEH EVAL RIAA, TEH RIGHTS OF ARTISTES or any of the other painfully transparent justificatory mechanisms they employed to cover the rampant piracy. To repeat: NAPSTER WAS ALWAYS ABOUT GREED AND OPPORTUNISM.

The funny thing is, after all these years, I've never seen a pro-Napsterite admit this crucial fact. Not once. Ho ho ho.

Will you be the first?
2002-02-01 08:01:47 PM  
Napster was a competition to see who could download the most music.

Gotta catch em al.
2002-02-01 08:22:49 PM  
ugh.. I'm tired of hearing about that Ogg crap. Their claim is that the files are smaller, but they compare the ogg variable bit rate (VBR) encoding to mp3 constant bit rate (CBR) encoding. To make things even, I just downloaded the encoder and ripped Moby's Bodyrock:
VBR mp3 - 3,168,219 bytes
VBR ogg - 3,167,368 bytes
Plus, the ogg file has the obvious audio artifacts they describe on their FAQ.
2002-02-01 08:34:10 PM  
I just download like a madman hoping they don't catch up with Morpheus.I hope Napster fights for the principle.
2002-02-01 09:38:06 PM  
The game used to be called Pig Mania, but is now called Pass the Pigs, and is marketed by Hasbro. "Makin' Bacon" occurred if you rolled the pigs and they ended up touching each other. This has been renamed in the new game so no one would be offended.

My first girlfriend was an artist, and she had one of the little pink piggies that I recognized from the game. I tossed it just to see how it would land. She saw me do it, and got super pissed. It turns out that it was one of her "muses" that she used for artistic inspiration. "YOU THREW LITTLE JOE!!!" I tried to explain the game to her but she could not see past the fact that I had "abused" something she held dear. At least not until I showed her the game and we played it. She thought Makin Bacon was real funny after that.
2002-02-01 09:41:35 PM  
There is a web version of
Pass the Pigs
2002-02-01 10:33:52 PM  
Napster? What's Napster?

That's what people are going to be asking 6 months from now. I don't know a single person who still uses it.
2002-02-01 10:50:32 PM  
Come on Napster don't puss out. Fight the evil.
2002-02-01 11:36:17 PM  
Here is the beauty of what this judge said: it's a thing known as amicus briefs. That means that in certain, important issues, others can write in and argue a case in the place of, or in spite of, the parties involved. In other words, even if Napster doesn't take up this fight themselves, someone will -- and that is almost a surety. That being said, instead of bashing Napster, recognize that they gave someone the chance to at least argue the validity of MP3's. Aces to them for that.
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