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2002-01-31 09:45:46 PM
They still taste the same.
 
2002-01-31 09:47:08 PM
ok, it seems like the first sentence is the only one that talks about the fetus/unborn thing. the rest of it was... bleh...
 
2002-01-31 09:48:53 PM
no more ric flair!
 
2002-01-31 09:49:33 PM
I'm am so totally mixed on this.
Good thing: Classifying it like this makes it possible for low income mothers to get quality prenatal care, which will help take care of many problems that plague the nation.

Bad thing: Gives the Anti-Abortion people HUGE ammunation.

Very tough call.
 
2002-01-31 09:50:31 PM
one sentence is enough. ABC had this on the news tonight. don't know about you folks but this bothers the HELL out of me. to use a fark saying: "this is wrong in so many ways".
 
2002-01-31 09:50:35 PM
Ah good, just so long as they change the term "christian conservative" to "nazi"
 
2002-01-31 09:51:05 PM
Bah... first step towards the republicans banning abortion and stem cell research because now its a "child"
 
2002-01-31 09:52:06 PM
How about insurance that gives people free birth-control so it doesn't become an issue in the first place? Oh wait, that would be too easy.
 
2002-01-31 09:52:27 PM
Is this "unborn child" going to be afforded the same rights as a "born child"?

Just cuz you passed through a vagina doesn't make you better than me!
 
2002-01-31 09:52:52 PM
no that would offend the religious types... wouldn't want to do the intelligent thing and offend them... no no no.
 
2002-01-31 09:56:19 PM
Foodbunny. Wish it was that easy *sigh*. Would sure solve a hell of a lot more problems than the current solution.


Then again I'll be optomistic that one day we'll all be responsible for the choices we make and the Pro-Life/Chioce thing will be dead and gone. Until then I'll look forward to the following flamewar.
 
2002-01-31 09:56:23 PM
where's that flamebait tag when you need it?
 
2002-01-31 09:57:44 PM


Its not a freaking child. I wish these freaking anti abortionists would read up on their biology.
 
2002-01-31 09:59:22 PM
The reason we are "The United States Of America" is so that the individual states could have different laws.
The only purpose of the Federal Government is to protect our borders and maintain interstate roadways.
Power to the state equals power to the people.
God bless America.
 
2002-01-31 10:00:57 PM
Does this mean I can get life insurance payoffs now that im a "undead adult"?
 
2002-01-31 10:01:50 PM
great. soon we'll start giving pregnant mothers TWO votes.
 
2002-01-31 10:06:27 PM
Hopefully the judicial branch is smart enough not to buy into such meaningless rhetoric. Call it what you want, I still think the long sense born mother has seniority over the unborn child. Its her choice, not his, and not yours.

Can you say o-v-e-r p-o-p-u-l-a-t-i-o-n???
 
oyr
2002-01-31 10:06:29 PM


Don't ask.
 
2002-01-31 10:07:26 PM
Thank the cloud people that I live here in Canada. The Feds are going way too far here. Just watch. Somebody do something about that Bush fellah. Quick!!

Praise the Cloud People.
 
2002-01-31 10:07:41 PM
Laytoob: the correct line is "the last time you HAD pussy, the pussy had you." If you are going to steal, at least get it right.

ps. we should do stem cell 'research' on christians. that would make everybody happy!
 
2002-01-31 10:10:03 PM
Damn that picture is truely disturbing.
 
2002-01-31 10:10:05 PM
Prenatal care for women and their babies is a crucial part of the medical care every person should have through the course of their life cycle

So if they care so much, why don't they make available prenatal care now, without all the semantical bull§hit?
 
oyr
2002-01-31 10:11:03 PM
isn't it though?
 
2002-01-31 10:18:41 PM
Did they really think they could sneak this through? The pro-abortion lobby is much too powerfull, anyway. Funny how the pro-lifers have to resort to backdoor attempts like this.
 
2002-01-31 10:21:13 PM
There is a similar local bill here in KY based on a different set of facts. An estranged lover rammed his hand against his pregnant ex's uterus, purposefully killing the late term child. He was only charged with assault as the child was not out of the body yet. Something important here--late term fetuses feel pain; they suck their thumbs, they dream, hiccup, respond to their mother's voice, etc. I know there are different feelings about first trimesters, but do any of you believe a fetus that advanced is not a person. Or how about this, can a woman have an abortion if she wants 10 minutes before delivery? If you answer no, we merely disagree on the moment it is wrong, not that it is wrong. If you answer yes, well...
As for the categorizing of fetuses as persons for purposes of qualifying for better healthcare, I must concede there are other ways. OK?
 
2002-01-31 10:23:45 PM
>So if they care so much, why don't they make available
>prenatal care now, without all the semantical bull§hit?

Hear, hear. If your goal is to give prenatal care, then authorize these agencies to give 'prenatal care'. Bush is clearly attempting to do nothing but create a new legal definition of child that encompasses fetuses. Even if you are pro-life, you should recognize that half-baked, backdoor legal inroads into the issue will only seek to muddy it.
 
2002-01-31 10:23:58 PM
Jebus! And some people complain about the NRA over reacting to new gun laws.........
 
2002-01-31 10:25:01 PM

I demand my sperm be re-classified as Half an Unborn Child and be given the same basic human rights. That rolled up sock in my bottom drawer is nothing but a MASS GRAVE. It's absolutely tragic that this barbaric taking of half-human life has gone on for so long.

Thank you, and God bless America.

 
2002-01-31 10:25:29 PM
>An estranged lover rammed his hand against his pregnant ex's uterus, purposefully killing the late term child. He
>was only charged with assault as the child was not out of the body yet.

Easy answer. Make 'intentionally causing a miscarriage' against the law.
 
2002-01-31 10:26:03 PM
Seems to me this is some fundies attempt to go around Roe v. Wade, and force the issue back into the Supreme Court.

Or in other words,

Hi! I'm going to force my personal beliefs on this country whether you like it or not!
And if you don't like it, well then you are a terrorist.
 
2002-01-31 10:27:28 PM
Agreed, late term abortions are wrong, but the first trimesters are open game. I really can't stand Bush and all his Christian conservative attitudes...
 
2002-01-31 10:27:48 PM
"Or how about this, can a woman have an abortion if she wants 10 minutes before delivery? If you answer no, we merely disagree on the moment it is wrong, not that it is wrong. If you answer yes, well..."

Obviously the answer is no because an abortion would be illegal at that point.
 
2002-01-31 10:28:04 PM
it's not 'pro-abortion', SoylentGreen. it's 'pro-choice'. the difference is that I'm not really for abortion, when it relates to me. But I can't make that same choice for anyone else, nor should I be allowed to.
 
2002-01-31 10:32:18 PM
Nanookanano, you sound an awful lot like the south pre-civil war, no offense to you southerners. They way you put it would make the US a Confederation, we tried that, it didn't work.
 
2002-01-31 10:33:07 PM
if you're against abortions, don't have one
 
2002-01-31 10:34:35 PM
Obviously the answer is no because an abortion would be illegal at that point.

No its not
 
2002-01-31 10:36:06 PM
"Not every ejaculation deserves a name."
 
2002-01-31 10:37:34 PM
I think this is what you were looking for.


Oh yeah, this is definitely beating around the bush (no pun intended). Provide the care without the mumbojumbo. Heck, we can't even come up with a definition for life itself (what's in the dictionary is merely a description life).
 
2002-01-31 10:39:23 PM
It IS a baby.

The only reason many of you don't consider it as such, is because of your own selfishness and desire to shirk responsibility. If it's a child, the guilt of a lot of peoples actions would be too hard to bear.
 
2002-01-31 10:40:10 PM
It's amazing - King George has discovered his heart and wants to help the poor people without insurance. Do they really think we will buy this load of shiat?

I guess W forgot to mention in his State of the Union address that he was about to expand his war on the rights of the American people.
 
2002-01-31 10:40:28 PM
South pre-civil war? That's rich. Those terrible conservative Republicans back in the day were responsible for other dreadful acts- like the abolition of slavery, among other things.

Oh, sorry- hate to distort the picture with facts. I know today's rabid "i-should-legally-be-able-to-abort-my-child-until-he's-2-years-old" hate to find themselves kissing their historical slave-owning and beating ancestors. Lets instead pretend that the slave-owners of yesteryear were the evil, repressed conservative whackoes and that it was their liberal minded descendents who emancipated them.

Regardless of the truth.
 
2002-01-31 10:41:55 PM
I can't really say anything on the abortion issue, other than I'm pro-infanticide up to age 2.
 
2002-01-31 10:42:06 PM
Here's a question:
If a woman in her 7th month of pregnancy, with a child that is wanted, is murdered, should the killer be charged with only one murder?

I ask because such an event happened in my hometown a few years ago, and the father pressed ahead for the guy to be charged with two killings (he ripped open her stomach after killing her,btw) but the courts refused to support it.

They knew the sex,had decorated a room and picked out a name.

I know that this is an extremely isolated incident, but I was just wondering what other farkers thought.
 
2002-01-31 10:43:34 PM
It amazes me how hypocritical you whiners are. "For the children!" as long as it's what we say a "child" is. Aren't you the same ones that scream for tolerance and diversity, and then go freakin' ballistic on the first person who doesn't agree with you? You're actually whining for government funded irresponsibility!! And if you think the we're overpopulated, then remove yourself from the population. Flame away whiners.
 
2002-01-31 10:44:42 PM
Oh great, that's all we freakin need! The carpool lane is crowded enough without pregnant women being able to saddle their big ass SUV's all by their lonesome in front of us working stiffs. If this passes, they should have to buy two movie tickets and kid's tickets for everything else.
 
2002-01-31 10:48:58 PM
Oh, sorry- hate to distort the picture with facts. I know today's rabid "i-should- legally-be-able-to-abort-my-child-until-he's-2-years-old" hate to find themselves kissing their historical slave-owning and beating ancestors.
That has to be the most ignorant comment I've ever seen. What does abortian have to do with slaves and slave owners?
 
43%
2002-01-31 10:49:56 PM
i likes it when da goberment legislates science and medicens.
 
2002-01-31 10:50:13 PM
I think that if someone is serious pro-life they should consider adopting the child that isn't wanted. Since I don't hear anyone doing it. But I think the issue is really morality. I think that Govt should stay out of it. ProLifers should be more concered about why we have so many bastard and unwanted children.
-peace
 
2002-01-31 10:50:49 PM
To this day,
I am still haunted by my experience at a clinic.
I still have nightmares. I still have second thoughts. I still have what ifs.

However, I still think it was the right thing to do.

I'll never know, but that was our choice.
That was our choice.

sorry.
 
2002-01-31 10:52:57 PM
I think that if someone is serious pro-life they should consider adopting the child that isn't wanted. Since I don't hear anyone doing it. But I think the issue is really morality. I think that Govt should stay out of it. ProLifers should be more concered about why we have so many bastard and unwanted children.

Once again facts get in the way of a pro-abortion individual. There is a waiting list for adoption because there are many more people wanting to adopt than there are children to adopt.
 
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