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(AP)   U.S. to give Cuba $50,000 hurricane aid. Cuba to give U.S. the finger   ( divider line
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2004-08-17 01:40:22 PM  
Cuba accepted it, without giving the finger. The US gives the finger to Cuba.

We can trade with China, but not with Cuba... ain't that some shiat.
2004-08-17 01:48:50 PM  
I'm not sure $50,000 is very much in the scheme of hurricane recovery.

Seems to be more of a gesture of humanitarianism more than anything else.

Not that I'm complaining about that, we have plenty of hurricane recovery needs right here at home.
2004-08-17 01:51:15 PM  
Let us not forget the Cuba is full of evil, nasty communists just waiting on the doorstep of the US to invade or lands and rape our women.
2004-08-17 02:03:26 PM  
50K?! Hell, Castro took that much out of the treasury an hour ago...

Why don't we drop the sanctions on Cuba and let the populace get a taste of capitalism...Castro wouldn't last a year...
2004-08-17 02:06:52 PM  
$50,000 when the damage in our country is $50 BILLION?!? How generous! I blame Bush.
2004-08-17 02:27:09 PM  
Wow, some of y'all are impressively cynical.
2004-08-17 02:37:34 PM  
come on, i have 50k in my bank acount.

i can't wait til castro dies, it will be much less of a hassle to get good cigars..
2004-08-17 02:41:30 PM  
$50 Billion SuperCrackMonkey???? please. figures i've seen are 40X< than that at best. what you smokin?
2004-08-17 02:47:22 PM  
How about we just give 'em the shocker!
2004-08-17 02:47:34 PM  
jeez, we at least could have demanded a good long-reliever from Castro for $50,000. bad trade
2004-08-17 02:50:07 PM  
Amen, D_I_A. Sanctions haven't worked for, what, 10 U.S. administrations now? Guy's been in charge since 1959. Let the free market hustle his tired ass out, already.

That said, $50k won't go far, even in Cuba. Charley's pushin' $11 billion here in the US. $50k is a drop in the bucket.
2004-08-17 02:52:40 PM  
I doubt that Castro would be toppled by ending the embargo.
2004-08-17 03:15:29 PM  
Just Ignorant:
I'm not sure $50,000 is very much in the scheme of hurricane recovery.

I think $50,000 is a LOT of money to these people, that is, if it goes to "the people". I'm no fan of Cuba The State, but have nothing against Cubans The People.
2004-08-17 03:16:19 PM  
RobbieFal: Why?

Dictators remain in power because they project the image that they and they alone can safely provide for the people, sometimes by force, sometimes not. Letting Cubans provide for themselves will destroy that image, and with it, the basis for the legitimacy of the dictatorship. Castro was popular in the 1950s because he wasn't Batista - that's not the case anymore, and given the chance, Cuba would bolt towards freedom and the ability to resume trade with the U.S., formerly a major trading partner.
2004-08-17 03:21:57 PM  
Wow. $50K. Kind of like leaving a penny as a tip for a waitress.... *just* enough to let her know you didn't forget.
2004-08-17 03:28:29 PM  
Every time an administration floats the idea of ending the embargo, the Cuban-American lobby goes nuts. Since Florida is an important state in the electoral college, they usually get their way.
2004-08-17 03:37:50 PM  
BamaSlam: Not sure exactly how the electoral college system works, but the way I see it, the way they can vote for any party, even going against their state, seems one of the most undemocratic things I can see in Americal politics.
2004-08-17 05:07:41 PM  
Wow, some of y'all are impressively cynical.

Have been ever since presidential elections become Supreme Court selections!
2004-08-17 05:35:51 PM  
I'm sure Fidel will make sure that it gets to the people that need it.
Also I just got biatch slappped by hurricane Charley and in my neighborhood I doubt 50k would pay for the ice that's been bought in the last 4 days.
2004-08-17 06:11:48 PM  
Vorticity the Monkey:

Lifting the embargo doesn't suddenly destroy the economic system hailed by Castro.

I must have missed when China's leaders were removed due to American products being available.

What's to say that lifting the embargo won't shift Cuba more towards a pure dictatorship or a Fascistic dictatorship like China?

What's to say that lifting the embargo will do anything?

Castro and his party are the ones who will be deciding what's available in their country. He's been in power for 45 years. I doubt he's so weak that lifting one thing causes his regime to crumble.

Lifting the Embargo is not a simple quick-fix to this problem either.
2004-08-17 07:59:42 PM  
Cuba ought to be giving us the $50K, seeing as how it's a place that massive destruction improves.
2004-08-17 08:01:09 PM  
"50K?! Hell, Castro took that much out of the treasury an hour ago..."

I hear people inferring that Castro steals from his people. Can you point to any evidence of this? It reminds me of some list of the richest people in the world that had Castro on it (listing him as worth billions), they apparently figured he keeps for himself 10-20% of his country's income, without any real reason to think that.
2004-08-17 08:01:38 PM  
Asinine. As a tax payer, I get to pay for Cuba's damage. As someone who pays insurance premiums, I get to pay for Florida's $11 billion in damages. I can accept the Florida bill, but in addition to that, isn't this country in a deficit? Who decided it was okay to piss away money? Are we getting something in return besides karma?
2004-08-17 08:02:05 PM  
I have a friend who goes to Cuba all the time and humps their prostitutes.
2004-08-17 08:06:12 PM  
AngryKid - I'd be pissed if my government spent 0.0002 cents of my money in a gesture intended to humiliate a foreign government too.

FWIW, Castro does live a very frugal life.

SlaveDick - been there. Underrated.
2004-08-17 08:12:28 PM  
Hey, hey, hey... Cuba offered to send observers here to ensure fair elections... (true!)

- Jordan
2004-08-17 08:13:18 PM  
Instead of giving them the cash, why don't we just credit their account $50,000 toward the bill for all the American property Castro confiscated in 1959?
2004-08-17 08:14:35 PM  
> SuperCrackMonkey

"$50,000 when the damage in our country is $50 BILLION?!?"

You mean it wiped out the entire country and their progeny for seven generations?

Use your head...if it "only" caused $11 billion in one of the most prosperous states in the union, it couldn't possibly have caused more than a fraction of the monetary damage in a third world country--especially since Charlie hadn't yet "peaked".

We should have sent $50,000 worth of Levis, Coca-Cola, and Big Macs. That's what did the Soviet Union in...
2004-08-17 08:18:20 PM  
People in Cuba probably have more freedoms than we do since 911. Try living near an american airport and getting asked for your "papers" everytime you walk the dog.
2004-08-17 08:18:24 PM  
50,000 is an insult, not aid.


Castro is all you care about? What about the farking people of Cuba, they sure could use an end to the embargo.
2004-08-17 08:18:28 PM  
I had the good fortune to visit Cuba (legally) last year and agree -- lifting the embargo would spell the end of the Cuban government as we know it within a year. It's only because Casto pwned the US back in '59 when he came out as a communist -- and the Miami Cubans -- that keep our foreign policy as screwed up as it is.

/ have a Guantanamo Indios baseball jersey bought at a game off the player's back for $20!
2004-08-17 08:19:47 PM  

People in Cuba probably have more freedoms than we do since 911. Try living near an american airport and getting asked for your "papers" everytime you walk the dog.

Why don't you ask some Cuban farkers if they have more freedoms than us?
2004-08-17 08:19:55 PM  

Given that there are 200 other nations in the world that can trade with Cuba and that Castro has been around forever, I don't think lifting or not lifting US trade sanctions will have much of an effect.

Hell, you'd think Canada would be leading the charge to keep US sanctions in place on Cuba. If Americans can skip having to go to Canada to get Havana Cigars, the mighty Canadian economy just may crumble.

/I kid because I love.

2004-08-17 08:20:34 PM  
Instead of giving them the cash, why don't we just credit their account $50,000 toward the bill for all the American property Castro confiscated in 1959?

Because the CIA caused a lot more than $50,000 in damage through its long series of covert terrorist attacks on Cuba.
2004-08-17 08:21:45 PM  
Hey, that can buy Castro a meal!
2004-08-17 08:21:58 PM  
Bush must not have noticed that the State Dept. was doing this, or I'm sure he'd have stopped it. After all, giving them aid might make them less likely to grow up despising America and might discourage them from becoming terrorists. And we know Bush likes to create America hating terrorists.
2004-08-17 08:22:06 PM  

Why don't we drop the sanctions on Cuba and let the populace get a taste of capitalism...Castro wouldn't last a year...

If we do that, then we don't "win". And, we have to "win". They're communists.

As can be seen with China, communism doesn't start to decline as capitalism is introduced. China has not changed any of their hardline stances since the free market was introduced to their society.
2004-08-17 08:24:41 PM  
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2004-08-17 08:25:24 PM  
Cubans are great.

/cigar fan.
2004-08-17 08:27:04 PM  
> dlmarti

"People in Cuba probably have more freedoms than we do since 911. Try living near an american airport and getting asked for your "papers" everytime you walk the dog."

I am so sick of this. We are nowhere near the crackdowns during previous wars. FDR rounded up Americans just because their parents were Japanese. Lincoln shut down newspapers and suspended the writ of habeus corpus.

You can't walk your dog in peace...the sacrifice must be unbearable.
2004-08-17 08:27:31 PM  
So are Cubans becoming American-hating terrorists before or after they try to swim to Miami? Should we be watching the two baseball players who defected to the US last year a bit more closely? How about the 2 soccer players who defected in 2002? Are they on the watch-list? Maybe the 2 doctors who defected while in Zimbabwe in 2000 should be brought in for questioning.

Interested in your thoughts on this....

2004-08-17 08:28:25 PM  
Why do we only send back old people in boats, and little boys, yet manage to keep all the baseball players?

Why don't we just import all their hot chicks and baseball players, and leave the rest of them there for some more Mojitos?
2004-08-17 08:30:30 PM  
Restricting Cuban-Americans from visiting their relatives is Bushs' new plan to stick it to Castro.

/I really wish Bush could learn some diplomatic policy for once.

watching US vs. Dutch girls volleyball.... so please excuse me if i'm distr..
2004-08-17 08:31:07 PM  

There is a manager in my department at work who defected from Cuba as a young woman with her entire family..even at 40, she's still a hottie. Love that accent.

Just because the baseball players are the only ones grabbing your attention, doesn't mean there aren't others.

Hmm, I wonder if she's an American-Hating terrorist too?

2004-08-17 08:35:21 PM  
As someone pointed out 50k to Cuba is probably the equivalent of giving 5 million to an American for aid. Remember that that average cubian there lives in a shack with a piece of sheet metal for a roof, doesn't have a car, doesn't electricity. It's like a Jeff Foxworthy joke about just starting out in life. If your apartment burned to the ground, you'd be out 15 bucks. There is no middle class in Cuba - it's either dirt poor or filthy rich.

The ironic part is that 50k will probably never touch the general populace - it will be distributed to the ruling leaders if Castro doesn't keep it himself. That's why personally I'd rather not have given a dime to them.

If we really wanted to help Cuba, we'd take out Castro and his party out and make Cuba a part of the US. The only problem with that is then we'd have to spend real money on upgrading them to meet our standards of living. People complain now about taxes going up a few cents to cover the cost of some small local program now, just think what it would cost to bring a whole nation up to our level! Probably why we are trying to do that with Iraq - just get them on their feet again and let them take over from there.
2004-08-17 08:36:20 PM  
50K? That's it? Damn, my folks had more than that in damages from Charley by themselves.....
2004-08-17 08:37:35 PM  
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Castro jumped the shark after he ditched the fatigues and cigars.
2004-08-17 08:40:27 PM  
I'm all for keeping Cuba closed. Reason: tourism. Every other nice place in the Bahamas has been ruined by big, fat, stupid, obnoxious, annoying, Americans demanding stuff, and wandering around like iddiots. Cuba is still a nice place to visit, because of its lack of Americans. Ask any European or Canadian who enjoys going to Cuba why they go, and they will reply: "it's because there aren't any annoying Americans there to bother you." I'm itching to go to Cuba, before America ruins it by sending our fat-assed vacationers there.
2004-08-17 08:44:59 PM  
Why give US the finger when they could have given Allen Iverson a thumb?

/got nuthin
2004-08-17 08:47:38 PM  
Aparently I'm out of the loop. What's wrong with Castro and/or Cuba? U.S. sure knows how to hold a grudge, but I'd like some cigars and cheap t-shirts. thanks
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