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(MSNBC)   Britain to allow human embryo cloning. Master race of Tony Blairs in the works   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 177
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2004-08-11 11:32:36 AM
Oh dear, this will get very interesting.
 
2004-08-11 11:32:39 AM
yikes... how bout Austin Powers instead?
 
2004-08-11 11:33:59 AM
I can finally get my very own drew barrymore?

This is a great time to be alive :~)
 
2004-08-11 11:34:24 AM
Will they also have cloned bad teeth and culinary skills to boot?
 
2004-08-11 11:34:27 AM
I'm sorry whomever i'm stealing this from
 
2004-08-11 11:34:31 AM
3 cheers for the brits!!!!
 
2004-08-11 11:34:37 AM
Austin Powers...good grief, no!

Keira Knightley perhaps?
 
2004-08-11 11:35:34 AM
Now see, if Bush was to Blair what Blair is to Bush, then we'd get to test on them too...or something....


uhm..Kerry is a coward and Bush is a cokehead

disregard, flame on
 
2004-08-11 11:36:10 AM
"Researchers at Newcastle University in northern England will be allowed to create embryos as a source of stem cells to cure diseases"

what diseases have been cured using stem cells? From the reports Ive read stem cell tests in mice have caused systemic cancer.
 
2004-08-11 11:36:18 AM
It will undoubtedly mean an army of Prince Charleses, snorting and guffawing and lamenting the ugly modern skyline of London Towne in a booming, eerie nasal chorus.

Scary.
 
2004-08-11 11:36:55 AM
adler
awwww sheeit I forgot all about this turning into a flame war...might as well get my 2 cents in before its a 200+post rant. Cloning = good. Stem Cell research = good. Religion = bad. Ok I think I covered all the bases there.

/hides in a hole
 
2004-08-11 11:40:48 AM
surprised this hasn't reached infinity yet
 
2004-08-11 11:42:46 AM
what diseases have been cured using stem cells?

Um, that's the entire point of RESEARCH.

Some monkey in 1930: "What diseases have been cured by using a fungus?"
 
2004-08-11 11:43:30 AM
The_Other_White_Boy

www.nap.edu's findings "skim"

most important:
...embryonic stem cells studied in animals clearly are capable of developing into multiple tissue types and capable of long-term selfrenewal in culture...

..The application of stem cell research to therapy for human disease wiD require much more knowledge about the biological properties of all types of stem cells. ...


in short: research good, church bad
 
2004-08-11 11:44:55 AM
go science go!

f y'all in the dark ages.
 
2004-08-11 11:45:33 AM
Finally I can get that second head I've been just dying for.
 
2004-08-11 11:46:38 AM
Clone me an army of me.
 
2004-08-11 11:47:53 AM
Don't you people realise that Jesus wants people to die! It's said explicitly in the Bible "Don't kill inanemate globs of human cells!"

Really the large majority of Christians have no problem with this stuff. Most of them think that helping people and curing terrible dieases is a good thing. Don't judge every Christian based on the Pope and Jack Chick.
 
2004-08-11 11:50:35 AM
This rocks! There's nothing wrong with killing embryos. Or sperm. Or bone marrow. Or fingernails. They're not alive.
 
2004-08-11 11:50:39 AM
2004-08-11 11:46:38 AM pipelias

Clone me an army of me.


/Bjork??
 
2004-08-11 11:50:50 AM
TOWB:
Crohn's disease has been cured using stem cells.
Article here.
 
2004-08-11 11:51:14 AM
Kyushu, it's more the OFFICIAL stance of Christian churches that's the issue, I think...
 
2004-08-11 11:51:29 AM
Boy howdy--I can just feel the heat from the pro-lifers already...

/Not sure where I stand on this, but who really cares what I think?
 
2004-08-11 11:52:30 AM
Kyushu: I haven't checked Chick's website for ages, now I'm going to have to go see what lunacy he has been spewing of late.

/shakes fist
 
2004-08-11 11:52:47 AM
soooo

How do you kill something that's not alive?

/Heil, mein grammarfuhrer!
 
2004-08-11 11:53:43 AM
anyone want to buy my soul for a pack of peanut M&M's ?

/cmon anti-abortionists, lets light this candle!!
//stupid vending machine refiller dude..hurry!
 
2004-08-11 11:53:45 AM
Settle down people...this is just stem cell cloning. For those of you who think they are cloning little babies click here to get edjumacated
 
2004-08-11 11:53:47 AM
mpmalj

Stem cell enema?
 
2004-08-11 11:55:33 AM
GreatScott3138: Good point! Should have used "denatured" or "retired" a la Blade Runner.
 
2004-08-11 11:55:52 AM
Finally, a country with some sense...cloning is the future people!
[feel free to put your own degree of emphasis on the word "sense"]
 
2004-08-11 11:55:55 AM
is there such a thing as farklite-only articles?

*pokes Dancin_in_anson"
 
2004-08-11 11:55:55 AM
There's already one too many Tony Blairs in this world.

But yay for the research anyway.
 
2004-08-11 11:56:13 AM
Good, now if only the US would get on the ball.

/BTW you fundies, clones don't have souls, so suck it.
 
2004-08-11 11:56:46 AM
The_other_white_boy

Stell cells could potentially be used to address a lot of diseases, because they are non-differentiated cells. Parkinson's disease is a result of degredation of dopamenergic neurons that could be replaced by new stem cell neurons, Alzheimer's is more complex but also could have a potential treatment with stell cells, and plenty of other applications are out therre, dependant on if we can figure out how to coax undifferentiated cells into different cell types.

How many diseases have already been cured via stem cells? None, simple answer there. The problem is that too many people expect science to come up with a cure at the drop of a hat. They take the idea of "potential cure" to mean that scientists have already figured it all out, and just need some time to make it happen.

Science takes time, and research, by its very nature, can't promise anything. I really fail to see how people are expecting results when countries make it extremely difficult to run experiments in the first place. Invariably, failures come before successes. But the government needs to give scientists the permission to make those failures, so that eventually the next group can build upon that research and come up with a success.
 
2004-08-11 11:57:00 AM
The_Other_White_Boy


"Researchers at Newcastle University in northern England will be allowed to create embryos as a source of stem cells to cure diseases"

what diseases have been cured using stem cells? From the reports Ive read stem cell tests in mice have caused systemic cancer.


Yes, all stem cells cause cancer... I would go cut out your spinal cord to be safe...

// whee
 
2004-08-11 11:58:27 AM
I still don't get what the big deal is.

I clone myself.
Now I have a baby me.
So what.

You clone some hottie.
You now have a baby hottie.
So what.

You can't make a clone army, unless you're going to commit to feeding/caring for it for the next 2 decades. It's near-useless technology with applications only in medical research. If it improves our medical science, I'm all for it.
 
2004-08-11 11:58:34 AM
Speaking of Chick I didn't know he did his tracts in other languages as well! Someone was apparently handing them out to the CHinese grad students around here...

//they laughed
 
2004-08-11 11:59:10 AM
The best Jack Chick comic is the one with the happy child getying seduced into taking "THE DRUGS." Soon he's selling them and gets caught. He gets sent to prison where he is brutally a$$ raped. He gets AIDS from it and dies.

According to Chick it's all ok though becasue the kid accepted Jesus and goes to heaven.

The comic where the girl gets drawn into the occult by playing D&D is great too.

As a christian guys like him make he so angry. Becasue when people hear I am christian they assume I am like that hatemonger. Most christians are more into the loving and acceptance; but you never hear of them.
 
2004-08-11 11:59:29 AM
 
2004-08-11 12:01:22 PM
WOOHOO! my second green lighted submission! :).....and this time it's NOT a news flash
 
2004-08-11 12:01:53 PM
sooooo

H'bout "Biologically inert"? "Thetally vacant"? Hehe this is fun...
 
2004-08-11 12:02:53 PM
Its not like I am infuriated by this news, but if life doesn't begin at conseption, then when does it? It seems like conseption is the only point that is definative. When the heart starts beating is different for every individual. I am really not for or against this, since I haven't done my research. What are your opinions? If not at conseption, at what point does testing become wrong?
 
2004-08-11 12:04:09 PM
Yellow Number Five
/BTW you fundies, clones don't have souls, so suck it.

That made my freakin day. Thanks.
 
2004-08-11 12:05:15 PM
Clark C:

That depends. How do you define "Life"?
 
2004-08-11 12:06:35 PM
"And now it's our time to ask: What if?

What if we find a breakthrough to cure Parkinson's, diabetes, Alzheimer's and AIDS? What if we have a president who believes in science, so we can unleash the wonders of discovery like stem cell research to treat illness and save millions of lives? "

--John Kerry, Democratic Convention Speech
 
2004-08-11 12:07:07 PM
Clark C

I would say it all depends on what your definition of a PERSON is. IMHO, a clump of cells is not a person, an embryo is no more human than the sperm or egg by themselves.
 
2004-08-11 12:07:30 PM
Life: What Mikey likes.
 
2004-08-11 12:10:19 PM
if i was to kill my clone is it murder or suecide
 
2004-08-11 12:10:21 PM
Clark C

There are many other ways to define life than at conception:
-When the embryo emplants
-Blasolysm (No idea how to spell that)
-When the neurons in the brain begin to form
-When the neurons in the brain being to fire
-When the parts of the brain assosiated with higher thought form
-When the parts of the brain assosiated with higher thought become active
-When the baby can survive outside the mother with medical help
-When the baby can survive outside the mother without medical help
-Birth
 
2004-08-11 12:14:10 PM
I think "birth" is kinda pushing it, there's really no change to the baby that occurs at birth to which you could point and say "He's alive now, and wasn't before".
 
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