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(Robin)   Altruism vs. Individualism, a farkin essay   ( divider line
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1825 clicks; posted to Main » on 31 Jan 2002 at 12:31 AM (15 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2002-01-31 12:32:16 AM  
Too many farking big words.
2002-01-31 12:33:59 AM  
i am an altruistic individualist
2002-01-31 12:34:12 AM  
Ok, Ok...I looked at the essay...didnt read it all cause big words dont make much sense after now I think I need to be rewarded with some boobies. Make the next article a boobies article...and not disgusting boobies, nice boobies, with cute nipples...
2002-01-31 12:35:25 AM  
I refuse to "get my read on" at this time of night
2002-01-31 12:35:39 AM  
were we supposed to grade or spellcheck that? i agree with the cap'n...we need boobies..
2002-01-31 12:35:57 AM  
no brainer....
2002-01-31 12:36:51 AM  
Wow, this was posted on Fark?

That was really good - I have to say way to go DREW!
2002-01-31 12:37:12 AM  
Is this altruistic or individualistic:

Know how people who can't cook watch cooking shows? I'm watching Junkyard wWrs.
2002-01-31 12:37:18 AM  
This is dangerous, someone could make one pithy comment about individualists all being mindless sheep in the worship of their counterculture and united hatred towards religeon and trends and trigger a massive flamewar rivaling even the "Fat Man" messageboard.
2002-01-31 12:38:07 AM  
thats individualistic
2002-01-31 12:39:21 AM  
Even if i'm only doing it in case I need to one day help someone stranded on a roadside?

See? It's a tricky question.
2002-01-31 12:40:30 AM  
then that is proactive altruism
2002-01-31 12:41:26 AM  
But what if I only want to help someone so I feel like a hero?
2002-01-31 12:41:59 AM  
B-minus. You fail to reach a solid conclusion.
2002-01-31 12:45:19 AM  
Way to take a stand, Robin. Both are kinda good and stuff. So let's have 'em both or something.
2002-01-31 12:45:19 AM  
then you are a psycological am i
2002-01-31 12:45:19 AM  
Pardon me Ladies and Gentlemen,

It seems that my bastard company has blocked the domain Http:// Could an enterprising farker post the essay here or mirror it elsewere?
Thank you In Advance,

2002-01-31 12:45:22 AM  
Know what I like about boobies? They dont make you just sit there and enjoy them. No discussion. No arguments. No questioning them. Just enjoy. I think some boobies would make this night better.....
2002-01-31 12:46:26 AM  
If you can't take care of yourself, you can't take care of others. If others take care of you, is it selfish to accept it? If there's one beer left..its mine...FARK YOU.
2002-01-31 12:47:36 AM  
i agree...when it comes to me...i am one selfish sonofabeotch
2002-01-31 12:49:29 AM  
Honestly, though; everyone should read the Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. I finished it a couple of days ago and it does a really good job of making you believe that the masses are ignorant, stupid, and vapid. Just like real life, I suppose.

The book *is* pretty long, though. About 650 pages. 650 *long* pages.

In fact, read "Anthem" by Ayn Rand first. It's kind of like "Fountainhead" lite.
2002-01-31 12:50:33 AM  
In other news....

mi ropa interior muy pegajosa!

hahahahahahahahaha! BOOBIES!
2002-01-31 12:51:00 AM  
If Robin's a guy, C-.

If Robin's a girl, B, possibly B+ if you're nice to me. If you know what I mean.
2002-01-31 12:51:02 AM  
dude...650 pages...i could have told you society as a whole is stupid and selfish..
2002-01-31 12:52:52 AM  
i give it a c...not bad but not earth-shatteringly great..
2002-01-31 12:54:35 AM  
"No good deed goes unpunished"
Clare Booth Luce
2002-01-31 12:55:12 AM  
definitions to those big, philosophy words for vocabulary deficent
people.........clickity click.

"Take your vitamins.And eat your pudding."
2002-01-31 12:56:30 AM  
I don't mean to sound pessimistic, BUT for every "altruistic" act you name, I bet I can name some individual reward that that person has received. For example, you say Mother Theresa did nothing but help others with no regard for her own benefit. I say that she gained the feeling of satisfaction that she followed God's will. In every situation I've been able to come up with, you can usually chalk it up to receiving some good feeling about having something good for someone else or an avoidance/removal of guilt for not having done the deed in question. That's not to say that there aren't good people in the world. I just don't believe the textbook definition of altruism exists in real life. I'll gladly hear your arguments against my theory, but I haven't been able to resolve it otherwise so far. Now back to the boobies.
2002-01-31 01:00:01 AM  
You spelled "deficient" wrong...

2002-01-31 01:02:30 AM  
The Lude:hehe,well noted.I will admit to my mistakes unlike others.
2002-01-31 01:02:48 AM  
Does anyone have a link to that site that looks like this huge page of pretentious jibber-jabber but is actually just a bunch of randomized words and phrases? I hope some of the older Farkers remember what I'm talking about. If you do, then help out a brutha and post the link. Big-P Needs a laff.
2002-01-31 01:04:15 AM  
There you go TheLude

Throughout the last millennia, two major ways of thinking have developed, each at the far end of the spectrum of the philosophical mind of man. One which was invoked by the rise of the Christian faith, the other, by dissidents of the demand that one must exist as part of a society. Altruism, an "unselfish devotion to the welfare of others;" and Individualism; a doctrine stating "the interests of the individual ought to be ethically paramount." Many philosophers and theologians have devoted their lives in an attempt to prove the supremacy of one philosophy over another. Many countries have been sucked dry by leaders attempting to prove the efficacy of these ideals.

Altruism is a philosophy adopted by the Christian faith, among others, preaching that man must assist his brother, to what extents are not clearly defined. Many arguments arise around the notion of Altruism, ranging from criticism of the motives behind the philosophy, to the argument of whether or not true Altruism sincerely exists. Individualism likewise has been criticized, not only as an impractical and selfish creed.
Does pure Altruism truly exist? Many critics of Altruism protest that Altruism itself cannot exist because the motivation behind man to act altruistically is due to a selfish desire, may it be pleasing to a god, or simple for that "warm, fuzzy feeling." Indeed, it is truly difficult to find an example of Altruism that is not motivated by anything other than the selfless desire to help another person. At very least, Altruism can exist, if only as a self-destructive method to promote others.

Altruism has been denounced by many as a selfish, dishonest ambition. Outspoken founder of Objectivism, author Ayn Rand went as far to create a main character in her novel The Fountainhead; a man who was the essence of Altruism. He lived for it, and Rand succeeded in creating a character so repulsive that he was instantly the antithesis of the protagonist. The character, known as Ellsworth Toohey, is by no means accepted popularly as an accurate depiction of the what the true destination of Altruism is. Although at very least he offers one idea as to an act of true Altruism, where he tells us that, "For a man to truly practice an act of Altruism, he must sell his soul to save the souls of others."

Individualism is a creed that is followed by many silent supporters. Individualism broods a rigid sense of self-respect, and defined morals and ethics. Individualism has been attacked for being what is described as, "selfish" philosophy. In truth, yes it is a selfish philosophy. Individualism places the holder above all. Do Individualism and Altruism have nothing in common? Some believe that the natural course of Individualism is Altruism. Take a businessman, for example. This man works for his own profit and benefit, but when he helps improve the economy, others are benefited. This man did not set out to help others, but is this Altruism?

Both Altruism and Individualism have their own positive aspects to them, as well as negative connotations that come hand-in-hand. Since both Altruism and Individualism each carry very good, while unique, thoughts and opinions with them, a well-measured blend seems appropriate. If a person can have enough pride in his own abilities, and a devoted love for himself, then the natural progression of love will move to begin to love others. Altruism and Individualism, hand-in-hand.
2002-01-31 01:05:35 AM  
Are you referring to anyone in particular? Or just a generic "Holier then thou" statement?
2002-01-31 01:07:02 AM  
Thanks ROBO-Jesus!
<claps ROBO-Jesus on the back>
2002-01-31 01:07:47 AM  
Aeonite - I did have a rough time coming out with a finish for this. While I could have come out with some hardline black/white answer to this, I don't believe that's the best answer.

To all Rand readers, yes I read all her shat before writing this, in fact, it was my inspiration. I don't fully agree with her though, and anybody new to Rand should read "The Ayn Rand Cult". Interesting stuff.

Well, hope you guys enjoy it, I'm sure going to enjoy reading everybody's thoughts on it.
2002-01-31 01:08:26 AM  
I help others because it makes me feel better, and takes my mind off my own problems. Am I altruistic? Selfish? Both? What if I do a good deed and just happen to feel good about it? Should I beat myself to make the good feelings go away so I can be truly unselfish? Of course, then I'd be all proud of myself for being so unselfish, and I'd be screwed all over again.
2002-01-31 01:09:39 AM  
The Lude: Don't make me steal your bike!!! hehehe.I wasnt referring to you in that statement.

2002-01-31 01:09:51 AM  
It's a good essay really. I like the writing style, but a bit short isn't it? I mean on my Grade 12 History exam (2 days ago) I wrote 2 5 page essays... then again, I wouldn't want to read a 12 page essay this late at night.

As for the topic, I'm personally interested by Utilitarian philosphy (John Stewart Mill was into it too).
2002-01-31 01:11:06 AM  
I have bigger worries than this drivel. Bah.
2002-01-31 01:11:21 AM  
Fire bad.
2002-01-31 01:12:23 AM  
*puts on straw hat*

*places piece of wheat in mouth*

*farks his sister*

Hey der, varmit'. This here's Fark, ya hear? At the Fark we don' allow no smart talkin' northern fellers like yerself t' go lurkin' about. There'll be no more smart talkin' 'round 'ere, ya hear?

*commits sepiku*
2002-01-31 01:15:45 AM  
Cyberpunk, I don't think a redneck would "commit sepiku", shoulda' put something like:

*Accidentally blows head off while looking down a double-barreled shotgun*
2002-01-31 01:26:33 AM  
it's late at night
2002-01-31 01:56:55 AM  
I gave $20 to a Mexican bum tonight.
2002-01-31 03:06:08 AM  
He's going to use it buy ripple, then go home to his box and beat his wife and kids. You should feel horrible, you wife-and-kid beater enabler.
2002-01-31 04:00:00 AM  
i was just getting interested in that essay and then it ended. i had a question about your comment that it was "...truly difficult to find an example of Altruism that is not motivated by anything other than the selfless desire to help another person." I may very well just be misinterpreting that completely so flame me but when i help someone else i get a very selfish feeling. err ... i could be totally off topic here. i'm very stoned. good though, i enjoyed reading it, and i mean i might not agree with the assertion, but "Individualism broods a rigid sense of self-respect" has a coinable ring to it. um, yes.
2002-01-31 04:05:33 AM  
oh and interesting link SwiTcHb0x, surely a philosopher would realise that nothing is truly *necessary* in life, especially not a "philosophic system" ...
2002-01-31 04:06:00 AM  
oh and interesting link SwiTcHb0x, surely a philosopher would realise that nothing is truly *necessary* in life, especially not a "philosophic system" ...
2002-01-31 04:06:10 AM  
oh and interesting link SwiTcHb0x, surely a philosopher would realise that nothing is truly *necessary* in life, especially not a "philosophic system" ...
2002-01-31 04:06:47 AM  
shiat. look, i am really stoned now. that is the only way i can explain it.
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