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(LifeSite)   High School student suspended for wearing Pro-Life t-shirt   (lifesite.net) divider line 236
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2002-01-28 11:12:57 PM  
Rather shoot yourself than abstain?


Buddy, learn some self-control.
 
2002-01-28 11:14:08 PM  
do you know how many people who are unable to have children will never be able to adopt a child? if all of these people who don't want their children would simply have them it would make a lot of people's lives better. definately the child! condoms break and the pill isn't 100% effective. i'm sure they were told that before they used them. everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions.
 
2002-01-28 11:14:56 PM  
I can easily agree with doing this. There is no reason to force a woman to have a child that is the product of rape. The psychological ramifications are too dark to think of.

And yet, a local hospital voted NOT to give out the pill for them.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting you understand the consequences and be human enough to deal with them if it happens.

Ok, so explain why one of my choices can't be abortion again. I'd really rather not have a kid at this point in my life, and I don't want to have to give one up for adoption. So my other choice is abortion. Since I feel I'm not "killing a baby" by doing this, how is it wrong? Therein lies the rub, and it is why everyone should be able to make their own decision whether or not they want to have an abortion.
 
2002-01-28 11:14:57 PM  
Another stupid ass decision by school administrators.
 
2002-01-28 11:15:36 PM  
Have any of you been pissed off, ever? Were you able to move on seconds after being offended? Probably not, put yourself in someone who was just pissed off by something someone said or showed you, would you be able to, ten mintues later learn about differentials or Newtonian physics? This stuff is hard enough to learn without having some asshole's idea of free speach sitting on the front of your mind. So keep the offensive stuff outside of schools so kids can learn, they obviously have a hard enough time learning today without distractions.
 
2002-01-28 11:18:02 PM  
you don't want to have to give the baby up for adoption? why is that? you're willing to kill it but not put it up for adoption? perhaps you have his/her best interestes at heart?
 
2002-01-28 11:18:23 PM  
Down's syndrom is pretty damn easy to detect. Trisomy of the 21st chromosone causes Down's Syndrome. You have it or you don't.

I don't believe you.
 
2002-01-28 11:18:24 PM  
I'm pro-life. I expressed that in history class in HS. At the end of the day, my tires were flattened. Please, oh please, talk to me about tolerance.
I didn't wear a shirt that preached, I disn't bomb an abortion clinic. I simply expressed disagreement with Roe v Wade.
 
2002-01-28 11:19:27 PM  
I'm pro-life. I expressed that in history class in HS. At the end of the day, my tires were flattened. Please, oh please, talk to me about tolerance.

And there are people that kill abortion doctors. Each side has their set of idiots.
 
2002-01-28 11:20:43 PM  
army, i don't see how that shirt could piss you off so badly that you would have trouble concentrating on something else. i am pro-life but if someone wore a shirt that said they weren't it wouldn't piss me off. i would think "humm... i disagree with that" and not spend hours brooding over it and think of nothing else. whoever got pissed off needs to get a life!
 
2002-01-28 11:21:18 PM  
Thank you Quick1 My point exactly. Only you hear less about the pro-choice idiots.
 
2002-01-28 11:21:56 PM  
you don't want to have to give the baby up for adoption? why is that? you're willing to kill it but not put it up for adoption? perhaps you have his/her best interestes at heart?

This is exactly my point. Waht if I don't feel that it is killing something? It's just a bunch of cells at that point in time (we're talking first trimester abortion), and it would be unable to live outside of the womb. Perhaps you feel that it is a living being, but at that point, it's no more human than a monkey, to be frank. It has the right kind of cells, tissues, etc. But it's not "human". Yet.
 
2002-01-28 11:22:48 PM  
i don't really care whether or not you believe me. i'm just posting what i know. perhpahs the methods of detecting downs syndrome have changed since 18 or so years ago. i don't know...
 
2002-01-28 11:23:19 PM  
I wonder how many of those in here calling people with opinions that abortion is a bad thing "fundies" just because it's now the "in" thing to attack people for having a belief-system.

I will tear this apart in many ways.
1. Almost everybody has a belief system, it is not just reserved for Christians, even Hitler had a belief system.

2. Most people don't attack Christians that they never hear from, ie... people that go to church on Sunday and believe in god but don't try to change legislator for that belief in a god. Most people attack what you call "fundies" for trying to impose their personal or group conscious belief on other citizens that do not share that same belief system.

3. I doubt that it is the "in thing" to attack the so-called fundie, in fact it is something that has been going back many generation. Similarly the "Fundies" attack as well, by trying to put the 10 commandments in school, by adding in god we trust to our money in the 50's, putting one nation under god in the pledge of allegiance.

4. Many people want a neutral ground, in the government, in public and at the public schools they send their kids. They don't want a school to end up complete disarray when the children begin to battle pro-life vs. pro-choice in the halls. Its a heated debate even among the adults and has its time and place.

I don't think this was solely an attack on Christians or the pro-life movement. I see it as putting out a fire before the next kid wore a poor choice shirt then the next then the next and vice versa until the school is split between an already heated topic. It interferes with grammar, language, history and other classes when everybody is waxing anger.
 
2002-01-28 11:24:52 PM  
you don't want to have to give the baby up for adoption? why is that? you're willing to kill it but not put it up for adoption? perhaps you have his/her best interestes at heart?

Also, if a girl gets pregnant, she might have to take time off of work, or even risk getting fired, depending on the profession (I don't know of many). That would be why she would not want to carry it to term and leave it up for adoption.
 
2002-01-28 11:25:17 PM  
What would Kurt Warner do?
 
2002-01-28 11:25:35 PM  
On the 7th day, it is planted in the uterus, its home until birth. By the 17th day, its heart and blood cells are formed. By the 20th day, the brain stem and nervous system are formed. At 24 days, the heart begins to beat. At 6 weeks, it looks distinctly human; by 45 days, it has its own brain waves, which it keeps for life. By 7 weeks it has all the internal organs it will have as an adult. By 9 weeks it can drink amniotic fluid. By 10 weeks all the organs are fully formed. From here on, it will increase in size. In the womb, it will suck its thumb, sleep, cry, feel pain, and recognize its mother's voice and heartbeat.
 
2002-01-28 11:26:13 PM  
Who the hell cares? Make'em wear school uniforms, say the pledge of allegiance, have a momement of silence, learn to read on a basic level, balance a checkbook and good rifle markmanship. After that lower my school taxes and shut the hell up. Works for me.
Just a thought.
 
2002-01-28 11:27:34 PM  
Runin800m: How does that distungish from, say, a monkey fetus? What is different?

It also cannot live outside of the womb.
 
2002-01-28 11:29:54 PM  
it has brain waves! it is capable of thought! how can you say its not human?? if you get hit by a car and are in the hospital, alive, with brain waves, but can't live without the machines at the hospital are you not a human??
 
2002-01-28 11:29:54 PM  
Runin800m Maybe that person needs to get a life if they get in such a tiff over such a shirt. But here at my college, every time there is an elevangical preacher screaming at the top of his lungs, I can't concentrate after the guy throws insults at everyone. Its even worse when you try to yell back at the guy as I have.

Just because a school sits inside of a larger society, it does not have to espouse the exact views and regulations of that society. Much like the military is not in the business of free speach, our schools shouldn't neccessarily be either. Yet both are public institutions. Schools fit in a similar category, they are here to serve one purpose, to teach productive skills. Its my opinion that worthwhile schools do everything in their power to refrain students from straying from the subjects that the school is trying to teach. Maybe this is just because I go to an engineering school.
 
2002-01-28 11:30:01 PM  
Quick1: That is EXACTLY why the father should be forced to support the mother.
 
2002-01-28 11:31:33 PM  
going into the army isn't something you have to do. going to school is.
 
2002-01-28 11:31:59 PM  
Way too many pseudo-intellectuals in here. It all boils down to 4 possible results.

1. The 'fundies' are right.
2. The 'liberals' are right.
3. Everyone is wrong.
4. Everyone is correct.

Which is it?
 
2002-01-28 11:32:20 PM  
Maybe that person needs to get a life if they get in such a tiff over such a shirt. But here at my college, every time there is an elevangical preacher screaming at the top of his lungs, I can't concentrate after the guy throws insults at everyone. Its even worse when you try to yell back at the guy as I have.

Ah, it reminds me of Brother Jed. I can't wait for him to come back, he's so funny to watch. Ah, the memories.
 
2002-01-28 11:33:06 PM  
quick, obviously you just feel that you should be able to knock up any woman you want and then tell her to get an abortion so you don't have to take responsibility for your actions.
 
2002-01-28 11:33:29 PM  
BigPeeler: E. All of the above.
 
2002-01-28 11:34:43 PM  
Right, you have to go to school, much like you have to be rasied in some sort of family. Should each member of that family be subject to the same free speach rules since you have to go through one too? For every bible passage you learn as a child, should your parents also have the legal obligation to teach you passages from the Qur'an?
 
2002-01-28 11:35:15 PM  
[b]01-28-02 11:33:29 PM Quick1
BigPeeler: E. All of the above.[/b]

PLEASE tell me that was a JOKE...
 
2002-01-28 11:35:38 PM  
quick, obviously you just feel that you should be able to knock up any woman you want and then tell her to get an abortion so you don't have to take responsibility for your actions.

You obviously have no idea what I believe. If I have been in a monogamous relationship with a woman for, say, three years, and we are having regular sex, and one time the condom breaks. I believe we would then discuss our options, and if we both concluded she would have an abortion, we would do so, together.
 
2002-01-28 11:35:51 PM  
Much apologies for the stupid tags... too used to Ikonboard... arrrgh...
 
2002-01-28 11:36:01 PM  
Cid: It was.
 
2002-01-28 11:36:01 PM  
no, because its no longer FREEDOM of speech when they're required to teach out of the qur'an.
 
2002-01-28 11:36:52 PM  

You obviously have no idea what I believe. If I have been in a monogamous relationship with a woman for, say, three years, and we are having regular sex, and one time the condom breaks. I believe we would then discuss our options, and if we both concluded she would have an abortion, we would do so, together.


That's pretty irresponsible. If you're planning on having a relationship for that long, you should've allowed for something like that to happen, without killing the kid.
 
2002-01-28 11:37:33 PM  
Wankers, every last one of 'em.
 
2002-01-28 11:38:01 PM  
BTW... let's just try to keep it civil, 'k? Even if you believe you're Fighting For Rights or Fighting For God.
 
2002-01-28 11:38:09 PM  
Runin800m: "the doctors said she would have a sever case of downs syndrome and tried to get the mother to have an abortion."

A doctor would never say that unless he/she felt the mother's life was in danger and even then, he/she would lay out the options and let the mother decide the course of action.

The cause of Down's Syndrom has been known far longer than 18 years.

I don't believe you.
 
2002-01-28 11:38:17 PM  
if you're in a relationship for 3 years and the condom breaks you should be prepared to deal with the consequences! if you don't want the child, fine. put it up for adoption. let someone else who wants a child but can't have one have it.
 
2002-01-28 11:38:51 PM  
But it isn't FREEDOM of speach for a 16 year old to have to be subject to the bible passages either.

The point I'm getting at is not all legally recognized institutions in the US (families, schools, military etc..), whether required for lawful citizenship or not are not subject to the same laws that frame the government.
 
2002-01-28 11:39:27 PM  
That's pretty irresponsible. If you're planning on having a relationship for that long, you should've allowed for something like that to happen, without killing the kid.

Huh? What else should have been done? In that situation, a condom was being worn, and it broke. What other measures should have been taken?

Also, how is it "killing a kid" if the couple doesn't believe it is a kid at that point in time, and it is legal to have an abortion in the courts? You keep trying to make it sound as if abortion is killing babies, when it might or might not be. That is half the debate.
 
2002-01-28 11:40:40 PM  
So your fundamental problem with this issue, is that you believe schools should be required to maintain freedom of speech. While I do not. I guess we just disagree.

I keep spelling speech wrong.
 
2002-01-28 11:41:12 PM  
obviously i wasn't clear earlier. my being able to sleep tonight doesn't hinge on whether or not you believe me. i agree that the cause of downs syndrome has been known for that long. perhaps the methods of telling aren't quite what they are now. believe it or not, i'll still sleep tonight. as i said, i wasn't there. i only know what the mother told me.
 
2002-01-28 11:41:17 PM  
if you're in a relationship for 3 years and the condom breaks you should be prepared to deal with the consequences! if you don't want the child, fine. put it up for adoption. let someone else who wants a child but can't have one have it

What if the couple has decided they don't want to/can't allow the fetus to be carried to term? If they are ok with having an abortion, then it should be THEIR CHOICE. Not yours or anyone else's.
 
2002-01-28 11:42:30 PM  
I have one of these shirts, i've never been asked to take it off in school, people don't care what other people are wearing, beaurocrats care what people are wearing.
 
2002-01-28 11:43:06 PM  
Sorry Bigpeeler, there are no pat answers.
It just isn't that easy.
Too many variable factors.
Each instance must be answered by itself.
One size does not fit all.
 
2002-01-28 11:43:08 PM  
I have a T shirt that has a message on it that I know will, at the very least, incite conversation. I wear this shirt every so often. However, I have this thing called common sense and courtesy. I know that my shirt may be inappropriate in some settings. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I have to respect that (I also say that opinions are like assholes; everbody has one).

Secondary schools are an institution for learning. Students already have enough distractions without worrying about the latest cause or crisis that has embedded itself in the public's short attention span.

I have formed a poor argument. I have spewed forth my opionion under the guise of intelligence.

Shoot me.
 
2002-01-28 11:44:41 PM  
Runin800m:

maxload
The cause of Down's Syndrom has been known far longer than 18 years.

I don't believe you.


I don't believe him either.

Be repeating an incorrect statement 1 of 2 things has to be true.

1. He is lying

Or

2. He will take in inacurate information within checking it and then repeat it for his own cause.
In which case anything he says is probably inacurate since he doesn't check his fact.

I don't believe you
 
2002-01-28 11:45:58 PM  
why are they unable to carry the fetus? because they're too concerned with themselves to think of their unborn child?? its still killing the kid whether or not you believe it. if a mother is on her way to get an abortion and is hit by a driver and the mother is killed. that would be 2 counts of manslaughter. one for the mom and one for the unborn child. its considered a person there. if i don't think its a child should it be my choice as to whether or not i get the 2nd charge of manslaughter?
 
2002-01-28 11:47:23 PM  
I once had a t-shirt that read "Instead of having a valid point, I make fun of people with an opinion."

The back read "I think I'm clever."

I never claimed I was smart.
 
2002-01-28 11:47:53 PM  
so you're telling me that doctors are right 100% of the time now? wow... thats a relief.
 
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