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(Scientific American)   Scientists discover that less sunlight has been reaching Earth's surface in recent decades. Your dog wants a flashlight   (sciam.com) divider line 99
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2004-08-02 07:20:22 PM  
Then why is it so God damn bright? And hot?
 
2004-08-02 07:29:23 PM  
Government conspiracy.

I would be wearing my tinfoil hat, but it conducts too much heat.
 
2004-08-02 07:37:43 PM  
[Much to their surprise, scientists have found that less sunlight has been reaching the earth's surface in recent decades.]

Which would mean we'd have global cooling.

[The sun isn't going dark; rather clouds, air pollution and aerosols are getting in the way. Researchers are learning that the phenomenon can interact with global warming in ways that had not been appreciated. ]

Which means we have global warming.

OW! Whiplash! I hurt my neck watching that!
 
2004-08-02 07:54:25 PM  
Carbon dioxide traps heat in the atmosphere, leading to global warming.

Clouds air polution and aerosols reflect heat, preventing some of it from entering the atmosphere, leading to global cooling.

/ global warming is a sham
 
2004-08-02 11:30:05 PM  
2004-08-02 07:37:43 PM Weaver95


[Much to their surprise, scientists have found that less sunlight has been reaching the earth's surface in recent decades.]

Which would mean we'd have global cooling.

[The sun isn't going dark; rather clouds, air pollution and aerosols are getting in the way. Researchers are learning that the phenomenon can interact with global warming in ways that had not been appreciated. ]

Which means we have global warming.

OW! Whiplash! I hurt my neck watching that!


Oh, geez, Weaver, it's only the 3rd post in the thread. Do I have to try to teach you basic climatology again?

/environmental scientist
 
2004-08-03 12:27:24 AM  
There's still too much. I have bed sheets stapled on my windows so my room is dark 24x7
 
2004-08-03 05:44:28 AM  
WE ALL GONNA DIE!! AAAHHAA!!
 
2004-08-03 06:39:54 AM  
The sun isn't going dark; rather clouds, air pollution and aerosols are getting in the way.


Excuse me, could you please move your big fat aerosol? You're blocking my sun.
 
2004-08-03 06:40:13 AM  
Less sunlight?

I live in Phoenix, AZ - and don't believe that for a second.
 
2004-08-03 06:43:10 AM  
I live in Pittsburgh. We have not seen the sun for quite some time.
 
2004-08-03 06:45:30 AM  
Just Ignorant

How does this jive with the new reports of increased solar activity in recent decades.

Would the hypothesis that the earth has a defense mechanism against heightened solar activity in the form of increased cloud cover hold up to scrutiny?

Gave up on the Global Warming scare, so don't try to convince me, just point out how all this new data isn't a bunch of "scientists" building a case for another two decades of useless grant money. Kidding, but not really, I accept a monumental shift in the Atlantic Gulf Stream, and the coming chaos in the British Isles and Western France and Northern Europe, but that doesn't prove manmade "Global Warming" is to blame.

 
2004-08-03 06:47:23 AM  
Estimates of the effect vary, but overall the magnitude has surprised all of us,?comments climatologist Veerabhadran Ramanathan of the University of California at San Diego. Stanhill and Cohen have pegged the solar reduction at 2.7 percent per decade over the period from 1958 to 1992. Put another way, the radiation reduction amounts to 0.5 watt per square meter per year, or about one third (in magnitude) of the warming that takes place because of carbon dioxide buildup in the atmosphere.

Oh, good! So instead of having the ice caps melt completely, they'll only melt by 2/3's. Yay.
 
2004-08-03 06:48:05 AM  
This is why there's no cure for cancer. Scientist's who do real work like studying global warming are accused of crying wolf while scientist's who study the orgasms of monkeys are taken seriously. I like non-government science.
 
2004-08-03 06:50:27 AM  
I think there should be a website that has a scale from "We dead" to "We cool" with thumbs down and thumbs up. Every day one of these contradictory stories comes out, the scale is adjusted.
 
2004-08-03 06:52:16 AM  
Monkey orgasms are funny. Science ought to be more amusing in general.
 
2004-08-03 06:52:16 AM  
curse the dreaded daystar!!
 
2004-08-03 06:58:41 AM  
What no one has blamed Bush and Cheney yet?

/I blame Hip hop and Rap
 
2004-08-03 06:59:54 AM  
I didn't mean to downplay the awesomeness of monkey orgasms. Frankly, a scientist and his monkey love are a fountain of amusement for us all.
 
2004-08-03 07:01:28 AM  
This would explain why I have never had a tan.
 
2004-08-03 07:06:17 AM  
lordargent
Carbon dioxide traps heat in the atmosphere, leading to global warming.

Clouds air polution and aerosols reflect heat, preventing some of it from entering the atmosphere, leading to global cooling.

/ global warming is a sham


Damn, where were you at the last climate change meetings?

But seriously, OF COURSE air pollution reflects heat (for example, SO2 makes the world cooler).

HOWEVER
1. There's not enough of it to counteract the heating from CO2.
2. It's unlikely that you can simply cancel out the two effects - it's a more complex issue.
3. Why would you think it would be a good idea to crank out more SO2 and aerosols (both bad for your health) just to counteract the warming?

Why is it that people try to deny climate change and evolution, when they have been subject to the same scientific process as everything else we take for granted.

/Oh, I forgot, there's a hidden agenda
//Want to argue? Bring it on
 
2004-08-03 07:17:26 AM  
I would not worry about it. We will simply seed the skies with microscopic bits of aluminum to prevent global warming. In the meantime, coating the oceans with a fine mist of oil will keep the hurricanes and what-not in check. RFIDs are your friend. I like kool-aid.
 
2004-08-03 07:19:54 AM  
Fuerther proof that all science is a scam. I think its time to burn the observatory.
 
2004-08-03 07:28:40 AM  
[image from home.earthlink.net too old to be available]

Mr. Burns was unavailable for comment.
 
2004-08-03 07:30:38 AM  
It has also been deduced from evaporation rates around the world-the amount of water that evaporates from specially calibrated pans has been dropping for at least five decades in the Northern Hemisphere.

Yeah, sunlight that reaches the Earth must be getting dimmer.

/sarcasm

I would think that humidity levels would effect the evaporation process more that a 2 watt drop in the brightness of sunlight, but that's just me.
 
2004-08-03 07:30:41 AM  
Wasn't this link on the main page 1-3 months ago?

I know something about decreasing sunlight was.
 
2004-08-03 07:32:02 AM  
Just ignorant,

I call bullshait on manmade global warming. You simply do not have sufficent empirical data to make the determination that the globe is actually warming, and if it is that mankind has caused it.

So does this mean you will all go back to worrying about the coming Ice age?

Crisis politics may get you funds from politicians to dumb to know better, but it will not get you respect.
 
2004-08-03 07:45:36 AM  
The earth's climate is (obviously) very complex, and we don't understand all the variables involved yet.

/hippies are all full of shiat

/manmade global warming is bullshiat, other variables are orders of magnitude greater, (see article)
 
2004-08-03 07:49:47 AM  
What if the dog wanting a flash light is an atomic dog?
 
2004-08-03 07:51:40 AM  
Laughing Gremlin

errrr no.

It's because you're Irish and living in Holland
 
2004-08-03 08:15:03 AM  
Tell that to my sunburn...
/didn't RTFA
 
2004-08-03 08:17:12 AM  
Except for the Environmental Denier camp who believe that hyper-consumption and its associated pollution has no effect on our environment. Global Warming? Sham. Pollution-related illness? BS. Extinction-epidemic? Natural. Landfill Leachate? Noproblem.

The fact is that the flat-earthers believe that God has deeded us the planet, for us to 'exploit' on our way to fantasy-land in the sky. And the other, less theist but equally clueless sheeple cant tie pollution and their consumptive excess together.

Releasing greenhouse gasses fark up the environment -- BUT THAT IS NOT ALL. Particulates (as this article states) PREVENT sunlight from reaching the planet. Other, pervasive chemical compounds (both inorgznic and organic) fark up plants and animals in immesierable ways.

We are simple animals. And lately we have managed to build quite a luxurious western lifestyle. We are, and this is, The Age of HydroCarbon Man. But it is not sustainable.

The pollution IS catching up with us. Global Warming is *not* the only concern associated with pollution -- its just ONE OF MANY MANY MANY issues assocated with our hyperconsumption and unsustainable lifestyles.

So, for all you 'global warming is a lie' flat-earthers, relax, there are many more issues that you can bleet your ignorance at... just listen to the corporate masters and CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME -- there is noooooo consequences... noooo waaayyy.
 
2004-08-03 08:18:49 AM  
people have been comming up with theories about this for decades. This is a non-story until we have worldwide data over several years. Science is being confused with critical thinking, yet again. seeing something and making a theory: critical thinking. making a theory and testing it thoroughly: science.
 
2004-08-03 08:20:38 AM  
Scientists discovert less sunlight has been reaching the earth's surface in recent decades, your dog wants a flashlight

Thankfully, FARK posters are working to discovert a method of harnessing the atomic power of spliced commas. A controlled chain reaction caused by spliced commas in a critical mass sentence could power enough light to supplement the fading sunlight, your dog wants a Harbrace.
 
2004-08-03 08:21:18 AM  
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muhahahahahahahahaaaaaa
 
2004-08-03 08:22:26 AM  
The Precautionary Principle is for suckas! Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
 
2004-08-03 08:25:34 AM  
"discovert"

I guess this is what we can expect from a poster, but i can't believe i'm the first to call that.


(assumes for fairness that headline used to read "discover[forgotten space]that" but missed the t in editing)
 
2004-08-03 08:28:15 AM  
Blame Canada!
 
2004-08-03 08:32:44 AM  
Enough already with this Blame Canada nonsense, we rock:P

/less sunlight = more partying
 
2004-08-03 08:35:30 AM  
This is something that people haven't been aware of," says Shabtai Cohen of the Institute of Soil, Water and Environmental Sciences in Bet Dagan, Israel. "And it's taken a long time to gain supporters in the scientific world."

Morons! Global cooling was the "next big thing" back in the 80's before some other moron decided that it was the other way around and it was global warming instead.
 
2004-08-03 08:38:09 AM  
cleverloginname

So, when will you be converting to the Amish lifestyle?
 
2004-08-03 08:50:17 AM  
Sorry Mishka it was just the first thing that came to mind. I hear it's nice up there. Nice and farkin cold.
Actually, I bet ya'll could use a little global warming up there. Might help tourism. Seems to work for Florida. Of course all that sun has obviously farked them up - I mean they got their own tag after all.
 
2004-08-03 08:50:36 AM  
Why is this a surprise? The sun is a variable star. Maybe those environmental scientist need to take a basic astronomy course at some point in college.

Between the sun being variable, volcanic ash, cow farts, and people we're going to have to work much harder to find things for these guys to spend money on to study.

I think their next priority should be developing a material better than tin foil, we're all going to need it.
 
2004-08-03 08:53:34 AM  
It's like in Civ. When you first hit industrialisation and can build factories, your pop explodes. Then the pop produces pollution as does your increased shield production.

Then later on you can build improvements which reduce pollution.

But yes I would like to know more about cleverloginname's consumption habits. He has, at the least, a computer.
 
2004-08-03 08:55:38 AM  
Another drawback to the ever increasing waist size of Americans.

Think of the children, the big-fat-xbox-playing-ice-cream-eating-no-exercising, children.
 
2004-08-03 08:56:50 AM  
I for one blame Aussie Guy. Duh.
 
2004-08-03 09:06:54 AM  
Global warming/cooling --- This ranks up there with the nonsense that we are running out of land. I read that you could take every person on the planet and put them in Texas. They would still have enough room that each family would have a full acre of land.
Bottom line, the earth is one massive recycling machine. It's been here millions of years and will be here millions more. We can't hurt it!
 
2004-08-03 09:11:54 AM  
Dadasaurus

Here here! Seriously folks they've been saying this stuff for years. The scientists obviously really don't know whats going on...
 
2004-08-03 09:14:38 AM  
"discovert"

I guess this is what we can expect from a poster, but i can't believe i'm the first to call that.


I wonder if it's a British thing. They say things like "Learnt" instead of "learned".
 
2004-08-03 09:16:13 AM  
WTF could be causing that??

[image from altschools.org too old to be available]
 
2004-08-03 09:19:21 AM  
Ah -ha! so we actually NEED global warming, just to maintain the status quo. I think I'll go drive my SUV somewhere pointlessly out of altruism.
 
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