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(Time)   Renegade Kentucky scientists ready to clone humans   (time.com) divider line 40
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2002-01-28 01:21:12 PM  
  
 
2002-01-28 01:22:05 PM  
we don't need more southerners
 
2002-01-28 01:23:10 PM  
I see it's not that "Richard Seed" guy again.

Dick Seed, hahaha. Can't believe so many reporters fell for that.
 
2002-01-28 01:24:45 PM  
this just cannot be good

-Rabb
 
2002-01-28 01:25:49 PM  
Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
 
2002-01-28 01:26:50 PM  
Renegade* Kentucky scientists ready to clone humans
*Read "stupid." Cloning is sorta the opposite of eugenics. Although eugenics is a bad thing, the opposite is worse.
 
2002-01-28 01:29:45 PM  
Hey Cletus, grab the chormosomes outta my pickup, will ya?
 
2002-01-28 01:33:56 PM  
I wonder if anyone has realized that if we figure out how to transfer our memories to another person...i.e. our clone...then we could basically become immortal. Too bad we're gonna blow ourselves up before then. Oh well.
 
2002-01-28 01:40:26 PM  
Can the clones inbreed? Pleeeeaaaasssseeee...
 
2002-01-28 01:43:12 PM  
This could be like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. We clone 5 lovely young women for an escort agency, and then we clone 10,000 lonely businessmen to keep the laws of supply and demand in balance.
 
2002-01-28 01:46:50 PM  

 
2002-01-28 01:50:26 PM  
If, by 'cloning,' you mean 'getting cousin Edna knocked up...
 
2002-01-28 01:55:59 PM  
"best Boobies EVER!"

hehehe
 
2002-01-28 01:57:12 PM  
stupid filters... well you get the idea
 
2002-01-28 02:01:27 PM  
i think this one deserves a
tag for promoting the general advancement of the human race. Way to go renegade scientists!
 
2002-01-28 02:23:20 PM  
Yes, let us advance.
 
2002-01-28 02:31:22 PM  
Cheesus: "I wonder if anyone has realized that if we figure out how to transfer our memories to another person...i.e. our clone...then we could basically become immortal."

Except that your consciousness wouldn't transfer...it would simply be another person with the same memories and what not...they would think they were you, but would still be a completely seperate entity. Which brings up a whole other issue which inevitably leads to religious ramblings about souls and such. This reminds me of the Ah-nold movie "The 6th Day".
 
2002-01-28 02:38:46 PM  
perhaps we can devise some way of transferring the brain itself to the clone... ?
 
2002-01-28 02:42:12 PM  
Remeber that MadTV sketch with Ahnold?

Who ah YOO?
I'm YOO, YOO ah ME.
If youah ME who am I?
I'm youah CLONE alaalalalaaalaaa.
Clone-Baby alaalalaaalaaa.
 
2002-01-28 02:53:10 PM  
There's not a single part of that headline I didn't find hilarious.
 
2002-01-28 03:07:34 PM  
Cloning in Kentucky is roughly equivalent to incest.
 
2002-01-28 03:09:20 PM  
What made me think of that was a Stargate SG-1 episode entitled "Holiday", in which the main characters encounter an alien device which transfers the brain's electric patterns (or something) between the two people holding it.
Their consciousness was transfered as well. Funny quote from it.... "What are you doing?" "If I am to remain in this body, I must shave my head." "Teal'c, you will NOT shave my head."

Anyway, as with most sci-fi shows, there's loopholes. Such as having to get used to the new body. Your arms, legs are longer/shorter, making any simple task a rather difficult chore for a while.

Good point though. But it would be interesting to have say 5 different clones with the same memories and thoughts, but interpreting them and everything new differently.

Enough rambling *puts duct tape over mouth*
 
2002-01-28 03:20:28 PM  
Talking about bringing your lost 5 year old back to life-- the kid would have the same genes, if you had a sample of him left, but it wouldn't be the same person.

I mean, he'd have the same genetic traits, but the person inside would be different. Genetics plays a bit part of what type of person we are-- to a point.

If you're persistant, then you might solve hard problems, or get arrested for stalking the girl you like.

The kid wouldn't even nessesarily look the same. Conditions in the womb, and eating habbits would affect how the kikd would grow up etc.

Oh well- this is too serious. that headline was funny. Maybe it really should have been "Renegade Kentucky scientists ready to look up 'clone' in the dictionary that holds up one corner of their couch."
 
2002-01-28 03:50:11 PM  
Midgettossa - People actually watch MadTV???
 
2002-01-28 04:04:26 PM  
Are we sure they didn't mistake "cloning" with "photocopying"?
 
2002-01-28 04:23:38 PM  
Okay, cloning any large animal (by "large" I mean macroscopic, this means anything large enough to see) is a bad plan, because of all this "old-age diseases and birth defects" crap. We can't clone a sheep without it having Alzheimer's at birth, so it would be stupid to clone humans. It's like saying, "Hey, let's bring a thalidomide baby with Down's syndrome into the world!" The bugs havn't been worked out, and they may never be.

IHateWicker: I watch it. It is vastly superior to SNL for a very sound reason: it doesn't suck.
 
Liz
2002-01-28 04:36:31 PM  
Did anyone bother noticing that this article is dated almost a year ago? I'm in Kentucky, and I don't see any clones around here yet.
 
2002-01-28 04:52:12 PM  
until the inevitable heat-death of the universe...
oh man, do i wanna be around for that.
i'll use the last bit of usable energy in the universe to power my electric blanket
 
2002-01-28 05:11:31 PM  
Cloning would have real advantages if you could insure long telmerase ends, otherwise your animal or human would have a shortend life span.
 
2002-01-28 05:18:34 PM  
that was in reference to the guy who said we could all live forever through cloning
 
2002-01-28 06:23:17 PM  
The thing that gets me is these idiots who think a clone of their dead child would be their child. That's like saying identical twins are the same person, or my arm is my ass, just because it has the same DNA.
 
2002-01-28 07:37:25 PM  
YeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaa Cletus the Fetus...........
 
2002-01-28 08:01:41 PM  
Imagine how farking weird it would be if you were the first human clone. People are always looking at the moral and scientific implications, but when you think about it, the strangest part would be the person who WAS the clone. They would have a normal mind, and think of the hostility, the exclusion.

I'm not sure that doing that to a person would be worth the scietific gain (which amounts to "Hey, it worked").

Plus the fact that if every dumbass parent who lost a child can get a replacement, the population growth rate would go up quite a bit. Having a cloned baby wouldn't be too much more expensive than having an invitero fertilization.
 
2002-01-28 08:43:28 PM  
The underlying effort in this renegade cloning, is of course, to get a full set of teeth. But deep down...we all knew that.
 
2002-01-28 09:35:46 PM  
Just what the heck is going on in Tennessee? Is our government secretly testing earthquake and electro-magnetic-pulse EMP technology on our citizens?

It sounds like a bizarre episode of the X-Files. You have a radio station knocked off the air, black helicopters and C-130's flying around, dead fried birds, energy blasts, hums, blue lights in the sky and two earthquakes within hours of each other on opposite ends of a state. Local media has been silenced, and local residents swear there is something very strange going on.

In Hartsville, Tennessee, about 30 miles northeast of Nashville, a mysterious, destructive power surge killed dozens of birds and damaged transmitter, phone lines and computer equipment at country music radio station WJKM on Friday, July 6, 2001. Folks in Franklin felt a boom on July 7th. Was it an earthquake? Or an explosion? Or an underground cave collapse? Whatever it was, it was strong enough to register 2.6 on the Richter scale.

Links to this story:

http://www.earthfiles.com/earth258.htm

http://www.1090wjkm.com/

http://www.infowar.com/mil_c4i/mil_c4i8.html-ssi

http://www.greatdreams.com/1090wjkm.htm

http://www.anomalies.net/investigations/emp/

http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/freak/freak.html

http://ericmccann.tripod.com/main2.html
 
2002-01-28 10:11:49 PM  
Astrocat
Got listed on fark when it happened, strange, I used to have links to the companies involved.

Howsomeever (as if that is a word)

Well the mind's not right in my new Kentucky clone
verily, a chip off the block
the ethic's tripe and the idiot's on the roam
And I feel as tho' my soul's in hock
My young clone stands on his head on the floor
all merry retarded alright
by'n by the law comes a knockin on the door
giving my new Kentucky clone a fright.

Now we need the chorus and a few more verses, and I must get back to work on the book.
 
2002-01-28 10:47:51 PM  
Ok, wait a minute there Abyssal Squid:
"The bugs havn't been worked out, and they may never be."

What bugs are you referring to exactly? Imagine the following scenario. A woman conceives, and the cell splits into two separate embryos, ala identical twins. One embryo is removed from her uterus (say because she is unable to keep two babies without compromising her or the babies health). The removed embryo is frozen and preserved. Two years later, it is implanted back inside her womb, now that she is able to carry another child. The new embryo has the SAME DNA as the first one, in fact are twins, except for being born 2 years apart.

Maybe it's strange to fathom. But just because there is a time difference between the first and second child, that does not mean that the second baby will have problems or "bugs". Now extend it to the natural progression, having the 2nd baby after 5 years, or 10. Same thing, why would there be problems?

Still following? Good. Now take it a step further. Replace the mother's current Embryo with DNA from the still frozen embryo. You are just exchanging the nucleus. DNA is pretty darn stable and really doesn't degrade that fast, in fact it lasts much longer than the protein, fats, and carbohydrates in your cells. So in the final case, the DNA from the first embryo has been transplanted into new one, and implanted in the same mother. Why would there be any problems with this? The only issue is the clean transfer of the nucleus of one cell to another. I guess there might be problems with this. But this procedure is not new, so it would make sense that while not perfect, the procedure has a high confidence level. So please explain your claims. What in the process causes problems that were never there with the first child? Sure, the DNA might be expressed a different way due to environment, nutrition and such. But that isn't limited to clones, it happens with every child.
 
2002-01-28 10:57:54 PM  
And another thing, while unrelated. Why do people assume that clones somehow won't have the same rights as all other people. If someone is a clone, they are still a person. As a perfectly average, yes average, person, they are still welcome to the protection under the laws as everyone else. There will be no harvesting clones for this and that. Obviously, if you wouldn't harvest the organs of a human today, why would a clone be any different? Many of the examples brought up by people afraid of clones are not actually fears about cloning, but fears of what dictatorships would do with such technology. Yes, maybe a dictatorial Islamic country WOULD clone an army of fighters. But that isn't an issue of the technology, only what it would be used for. You can say the same of most all new technologies. Somehow, someone can use it for evil, its possible. Would the United States banning cloning technology stop those same dictatorships from doing their own research and using it? If you think that we are the only ones able to figure out how, you are deluding yourself.


I agree that cloning is an important issue and needs to be examined further. But all too often the arguments brought up by those who wish to ban cloning is not one against the technology, but one against the terrible things it could be used for. Open your eyes. Banning it is not going to stop those terrible things from happening if other countries move ahead. Come up with some really good and relevant concerns, and then we can discuss the merits and prospects of the technology.
 
2002-01-28 11:29:55 PM  
I await the day that all these gay couples have babies by cloning and then are mortified when those children declare that they are straight.
 
2002-01-29 05:06:08 AM  
Ahhh No worries. It is at University of Kentucky, they are too busy pumping money into thier shiatty basketball and even shiatter football programs so the chances of progress in this are ZILTZ. They have an Athletics before Academics policy so there is nothing to fear. And besides, IT IS UK!!! THEY FARKING SUCK ASS!!!!!! GO CARDS!
 
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