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2004-07-31 11:43:13 AM
Way to get people on your side, asshats.
 
2004-07-31 11:44:21 AM
am i first? cool! unions yes! but this picket stupid
 
2004-07-31 11:45:44 AM
damn you FROT!

*SHAKES FIST*
/WANTED TO BE FIRST
 
2004-07-31 11:45:57 AM
I might almost volunteer to be burried, just so I could cross that picket line!
 
2004-07-31 11:47:35 AM
"The only alternative is not picketing at all."

sounds like the winning solution to me
 
2004-07-31 11:50:23 AM
 
2004-07-31 11:51:50 AM
I speak from experience - UMWA nearly starved my family in the 70's and early 80's. The only thing lower than a Union member would be a crack dealer. Of course, a crack dealer actually has to do some work so I would not want to insult the dealer.

A union worker wouldn't wipe their own ass if they were "on break".
 
2004-07-31 11:59:47 AM
I expect more class from Teamsters!
 
2004-07-31 11:59:58 AM
The Teamsters took the best job I ever had and turned it into the worst ever. My hours were slashed; my pay was CUT IN HALF! And it was all for my "own good." I was supposed to be delighted to be in the "brotherhood." (A sexist term that the media never seem bothered with.) It turns out every bad thing ever said about Teamsters is true: They're thugs; they're lazy; they don't lift a finger and they laugh and say, "You can't make me work!"

Evil, crappy people. 21st century Soviets.
 
2004-07-31 12:02:53 PM
What the hell? What's everybody all upset about? I'd love that! Funerals need a little bit of action to them. They're all goddamn dry and boring, with some whiny-ass preacher going on about Jesus and shiat. Give me some pissed-off teamsters with bullhorns any day.

When I die, if anybody dares to bury me in one of those corporate cemeteries, there's gonna be picketers all over the farking place. I'm hiring them ahead of time.
 
2004-07-31 12:06:03 PM
I think the appropriate response here would be to piss on the graves of deceased loved ones of these union leaders.

Unions served their purpose at one time. That time is long past.
 
2004-07-31 12:06:10 PM
I waas recently commiserating with a HR manager about having to work in a really restrictive union shop and he said it was actually much easier since all he had to do was hold them to all their rules.
 
2004-07-31 12:10:31 PM
farking unions.
 
2004-07-31 12:22:50 PM
As a Twin Cities resident, I may just feel compelled to go over there and picket their picket.


Nahh.


But this is totally friggin deplorable IMHO.


Anybody every read Anthony Burgess' 1985(pops)?

Fark de Unions, most are corrupt, but fark the corporations, too, most are corrupt.
IN fact, fark people, most of dem are corrupt too.
 
2004-07-31 12:23:28 PM
As a member of the Teamster Union I must say that this is the stupidest thing I have ever read!
 
2004-07-31 12:25:20 PM
Teamsters piss me off!

If they're not getting enormous pay for doing little work, they're griping for better benefits and being general pain in the asses to the public.

The Teamsters moved into the county here and a friend of mine had this peach of a job before they came. He drove around all day by himself, replaced damaged street signs, buried road kill and goofed off for hours. Plus he had keys to the restricted areas of parks so he could go for a drive and eat his lunch in peace. He loaded his truck by himself with what he needed and was learning to make street signs.

The Teamsters came in and decided that he MUST have a helper, which he did not want or need. Plus he MUST have someone help load his truck, which just screwed things up for him. His helper was a con out on work release and basically got in the way, goofed off and annoyed him.

The county used to give out good raises and things like turkeys or hams for holidays, but after the Teamsters came in, that all stopped. Now they give out Teamster regulated raises which are less than they used to provide for good workers. Plus, having to hire on extra 'helpers' they stopped providing the Turkeys and Hams.

To make matters worse, complaints by workers to the Union Rep, who is the dumbest bastige they could find, get nowhere. It's like the Union came in and then wrote them off.

My friend resigned.

I've run into Union fanatics before when I was a courier and they picketed a business and tried to stop me from delivering THEIR OWN PAY CHECKS! However, the truck was mightier than the picket line and I just drove through them. (My boss told me not to later, saying his insurance would not cover damage to the truck caused by crossing a picket line.)
 
2004-07-31 12:31:08 PM
Kerry's a Teamster - whoulda thunk it?

Hoffa Addresses the Democratic National Convention
Remarks by the Teamsters President on Behalf of Working Families
July 27, 2004

Im Jim Hoffa, and Im in Boston this week to cast my vote for John Kerry as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. I am a Teamster, and I am proud of my fellow union members, who make up 25 percent of all delegates at this convention.

blah blah blah, and then...

Id like to take a moment to talk about someone who became a member of Teamsters Union back in the summer of 1962. He was working at First National Warehouse in Somerville, Massachusetts, and was a member of Teamsters Local 25. He would later become a decorated war hero, a fierce prosecutor, and a solid public servant to the people of Massachusetts. That Teamster is John Kerry.

http://www.teamstersforkerry.org/
 
2004-07-31 12:33:26 PM
I hate unions.
 
2004-07-31 12:34:48 PM
I am somewhat ambivilent about unions. I can understand how someone might want to be a part of one, what with power through numbers and all. What really sets me off is at work (I work in IT at an animal hospital, a non-union position) there is a sign describing your right to be in a union. Where is my right to work *without* being in the stupid, restrictive union? You cannot work in the nursing or other care divisions without joining. I know I would be able to negotiate a better wage than what the union does...

grumblegrumble
 
2004-07-31 12:34:53 PM
Anyone remember the story similar to this one where union workers actually harassed the funeral goers more overtly?

Sucks having a devil on each shoulder; picking between evil greedy corporations and evil greedy teamster unions is not much of a choice. I hope Minnesotans start contracting their burial vaults from someone else and their plant gets closed for this asshattery.

/Not anti-union, but damn if the rules governing them don't need changing for the times - nonprofit anyone?
 
2004-07-31 12:37:48 PM
Unions=Communists
 
2004-07-31 12:38:02 PM
Ask the out of work major league baseball umpires how great unions are...

I'm sorry, i'd rather think for myself and fight for myself instead of putting my career and financial well being in the hands of a union.
 
2004-07-31 12:50:19 PM
If burial vault workers can not picket, I assume you are even more against nurses going on strike. Like you know, they might prevent a job opportunity for the former. And truck drivers haul all kind of food and medicine people need daily, so lets send national guard to break their picket lines as well.

Ok, you are against current unions and forms of protest. So what do you suggest that's better?
 
2004-07-31 12:54:25 PM
Whoever said I was against the right to protest? Last I checked being in a union wasn't a requirement to protest.

But i've seen plenty of people I know that had their jobs ruined by unions, so i'd rather do without. Far too often they screw the very people they are supposed to protect.
 
2004-07-31 12:57:49 PM
iamacat

Dont='t you hate it when you're actually trying to be sarcastic, but what you say actually makes sense?

For 15 years I've believed strikes by essential workers should be illegal. Nurses, cops, teachers, etc.

Further, pickets that are designed to disturb the public, rather than informing, should also be illegal.

When unions figure out how to set up a picket that has more purpose than just being a pain in the ass, people might be more considerate of the strike's goals.
 
2004-07-31 01:00:09 PM
If a shop needs a union due to bad working conditions, OK. The union should be allowed to lead a strike of all its members.

The union should NOT be allowed to block access to anything.
The union should NOT be allowed to force mandatory membership.
The union should NOT get away with vandalism, assault, etc while on strike.

Their primary weapon is the ability to take a large hunk of the workforce out in one big lump, then walk around outside with signs warning potential replacements of the poor working conditions. If the employer can afford to replace the entire union staff and carry the expense of training, etc... the union should take a flying leap.
 
2004-07-31 01:06:14 PM
As a union worker, I can agree with both sides. Unions do force employers to be less stingy with their medical benefits and pay, but at the same time, tend not to be very accomodating when the company ends up in a situation that they can't pay for those benefits anymore. Unions can't seem to understand that if the money isn't there, it isn't there.

Also, the fact that it's so hard to get somebody fired at a union job is annoying. There's 3-4 people I work with who, if the job were not union, there is no way that they would still be working there, and if they happen to have more seniority than me, they're getting paid better than me, too.

Also, I am a supervisor, but because of the union pay scale, i'm getting paid less than most of the people I supervise. That's annoying, too.
 
2004-07-31 01:09:52 PM
I would have liked to have read the article, but unfortunately, Allstate had a more important message for me instead.
 
2004-07-31 01:12:35 PM
Unions came in in the first part of the 20th century and helped remove a lot of the exploitation that went on.

Then, due to human nature, they became just as greedy and corrupt as the corporations they went up against.

Now, all they care about is getting more members, more dues, etc. In short, another corporation. Their bosses want to be treated like kings, just like those "evil CEOs" they were railling against 50 years earlier.

This thread shows a lot of bile towards unions, much of it well-deserved. I mean when you hear the word "teamsters" it doesn't exactly give a positive inpression these days.

The ironic thing is that with the rise of corporatism and the widening of the gap between rich and poor, we may see the rise of respectable unions again. And the circle of life continues
 
2004-07-31 01:26:00 PM
Fark the unions... we need more booby links.
 
2004-07-31 01:37:05 PM
There is far too much of a gap between the rich and poor and the labourers in unions should band together and suck every penny they possibly can out of their lazy employers.
 
2004-07-31 01:39:07 PM
I support the right of labor to organize, but the bloated bureaucracy that are unions today serve nobody but themselves. Their demands increase the cost of doing business which ends up hurting the people they claim to represent that work for these companies. They serve no purpose other than to make a profit for themselves while offering nothing in return. Higher wages and better benefits for their members? And they wonder why American businesses have to outsource to other companies in order to compete? The UAW and Teamsters are nothing short of wealth-redistribution advocates who fear anyone that can legitimately do a better job and be paid fairly for it.
 
2004-07-31 01:53:21 PM
Wow. The Teamsters sure are a classy bunch.
 
2004-07-31 02:00:01 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie

I, for one, would welcome our new, non-corrupt unionized overlords.
 
2004-07-31 02:00:10 PM
Lets just bring Ronnie "The Union Buster" Reagen back to life and fix this now. Sorry folks but if I have to take a side Ill take the side of hard working Americans (or any nationality for that matter) over overly paid execs any day. Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good to reach a level playing ground.
 
2004-07-31 02:12:14 PM
This just proves one of my rules in life: don't trust unions. They once had a noble purpose but have become so corrupt that they're no longer of any use to your average Joe who's trying to eke out a living.
 
2004-07-31 02:19:27 PM
Tirgoviste: (vlad the impaler fan?)

Great plan. We should suck the money right out of those bad old employers! they nothing but evil, Evil, EVIL!!! Come on man. A great number of people with a lot of money didn't necessarily inherit it. A lot of them earned it through hard work and getting their arses kicked around by those they worked for too. Not all employers treat their employees bad. The job market is like the buy/sell market. You have your services to sell, and the employers by them for the market price. You don't like it take your skills elsewhere. I know it's easier said than done but people can look for jobs while currently employed if they're unhappy. They just might have to be willing to move due to their field of expertise. Before anyone calls me a corporate shill i'm not. I graduated from collge but earn less than 25K a year. I'm not bitter about it, I just need to get out there and find my own way. I'd actually be for unions if they were not corupt and properly represented their members to the advantage of all involved.
 
2004-07-31 04:04:59 PM
Tirgoviste

Wow, what an itelligent perspective!

Suck every penny out of those bastards, make their products & services so costly to produce that they can no longer compete and go out of business, thus eliminating our jobs. That'll learn 'em!

Dumbass.
 
2004-07-31 04:05:53 PM
That's "intelligent". Preview is your friend.

/slaps forehead.
 
2004-07-31 04:18:21 PM
Unsung_Hero has it. worth reprinting.

If a shop needs a union due to bad working conditions, OK. The union should be allowed to lead a strike of all its members.

The union should NOT be allowed to block access to anything.
The union should NOT be allowed to force mandatory membership.
The union should NOT get away with vandalism, assault, etc while on strike.

Their primary weapon is the ability to take a large hunk of the workforce out in one big lump, then walk around outside with signs warning potential replacements of the poor working conditions. If the employer can afford to replace the entire union staff and carry the expense of training, etc... the union should take a flying leap.


Heading to my constitutional law class at UBC, and buses weren't crossing the picket lines (and it's a big campus) so had quite a walk. Almost lost it when I saw picketers trying to prevent a person from taking their car off campus -- and intervened myself.

Where the fark do people get the idea that your constitutional rights override my constitutional rights?! The right to free mobility is paramount, people. Your expression rights don't include the right to tie me up so I have to listen!
 
2004-07-31 04:19:38 PM
Well ladies and gentlemen, as an employee of a funeral home, I can easily tell you exactly what those idiots are doing. Vault makers (union or not) have absolutely NO BUSINESS picketing at a cemetery, unless of course, they have specific greivance with the cemetery. But even then, out of respect, for cryin out loud, DON'T do it in view of a greiving family during a service or procession.
The pickiters business is with the manufacterer. Their sole reason for being at the cemetery is a stupid attempt to get people mad at the manufactering company. And it's a funeral for Christ's sake. You only get ONE chance to make an impression, you have to make it a good one. These guys are blowin it. Their pickin their fight with people that don't even care what their problem is nor is any mood to WANT to care. They are only making more enemies.
I discussed this with my boss, and we fervently agree in peoples right to protest, but if someone decided to picket during one of our services, we'd be fighting mad, and would use every legal angle we could to protect the dignity of the family we're serving and not let someone's upsettedness (which picketing is essentially a political maneuver anyway) interfere with a mourning process that we are being paid to help with. Which even means that at times, we have to protect a families dignity from another family member. Therefore, there'd be no way we'd just sit by and let some pissed off schlub ruin a service.
I feel sorrow for the families as well as the funeral homes that are having to put up with the nonsense.
If you Teamsters want to picket your bosses, fine, go to it. But do it at YOUR place of business, please.
 
2004-07-31 04:39:29 PM
How are the cemetery picketers like a school on Sunday?
No Class!

/tribute to Fat Albert & the Cosby Kids
 
2004-07-31 04:48:13 PM
I worked with a guy who retired down here in Florida and he told me how he used to work for a union, in administration. Basically, he said that nepotism was high as the union bosses hired their worthless relatives and friends for high paying jobs that most never did, how they squandered the money on parties and luxury hotel rooms for 'business meetings' and generally didn't consider the average Union worker.

They took bribes from businesses not wanting their union in and when they decided to crash a nonunion shop, they did it in ways that you read about in the history books from the 1920s, ranging from harassing workers to picking one nonunion employee as a scapegoat and making him or her look like the evilest person around. They even passed out ridiculous flyers with crude cartoons on them.

Another friend of mine, when the Union came into the City Department, wasn't going to join as he had a great job, good benefits, a great boss and was happy where he was, but the Union paid several burly employees to threaten those holding out. He was intimidated into joining. One thing the Union did was slash his accumulated sick time. He had been bragging how, since he rarely took sick, that when he retired, the city was going to pay him for around a years worth of unused sick time. So not only was he going to get a good pension, but a cash bonus on top of that.

Well, after the Union came in and forced expensive changes, the city changed its policies on accumulated sick time. Now, when he retires, he MIGHT get around half of what he accumulates.

I estimate that the Union probably cost him something like $15,000.

Plus, like the County, the City used to give out hams and turkeys on holidays but they stopped that once the Teamsters moved in.

County Union members discovered that the Union approved health care plan really sucked and some did research and discovered that other businesses, also Union, using the same provider, were getting greater benefits at less cost. Biatching to the Union rep got them no where. So, they banded together themselves and got management to refuse to renew the health care plan unless the company (Blue Cross and Blue Shield) provided them with a better policy.

It did and they won WITHOUT union help.

I figure the Union was probably getting a bit of a kick back from the health care provider by encouraging a limited plan for a high cost.

I understand the need for unions, having studied history and the abuse of the Robber Barons and the rich factory owners of their workers, but I also am aware of the corruption Unions encourage and the ridiculous costs they can cause a company by giving the members the power to increase their pay.

Like an auto worker who stands on the assembly line, with a power wrench, tightening a few bolts on a car as it comes by. He'll make anywhere from $14 to $20 an hour, Union scale, PLUS have several REQUIRED breaks, an excellent health care plan and OSHA in his pocket. So, as a result that new car, which should cost around $5000 now costs around $10,000 that WE have to pay. Not to mention that car makers have cheapened cars to save money, like putting on plastic bumpers or no bumpers at all. Removing the once obligatory crash bars in the doors of passenger cars. Inventing that CHEAP and ridiculous tiny, little spare tire they used to give us, eliminating the very useful wing windows and removing the very sturdy A-frame or steel under chassis.
 
2004-07-31 04:52:13 PM
["Well, obviously, we know that (mourners) will be upset with it," he said. "Unfortunately, it's the business we are in. The only alternative is not picketing at all."]

Well, obviously, we know that YOU ARE AN ASSHAT. Picketing a funeral!? WTF!?
 
2004-07-31 05:13:10 PM
"You can easily judge a nation by the manner in which they treat their dead." -Winston Churchill-
 
2004-07-31 05:24:06 PM
damn commies
 
2004-07-31 05:42:58 PM
I worked for Ford parking cars as they came out of the factory. I only worked for one day as it was a temp job arranged by one of my buddies who works there full time. I was really amazed at how these union guys have no clue of what its like in the real world. This was the easiest job I've ever had, I'm talking brain-dead easy. A trained monkey could do this. It was completely unskilled work and these guys made more money than many people with a degree. The whole time I was there these guys did nothing but biatch about how they didnt get paid enough, not enough benefits, blah blah blah. I'd just love to see one of those smug teamsters I worked with try to get a real job when their only skill is parking a Ford Ranger. If they ever lost that job they would be totally farked.
 
2004-07-31 05:55:38 PM
Uh... this is how pickets are supposed to work?

A) Employer and Workers have disagreement that cannot be resolved.
B) Workers walk out and picket.
C) Employer and Workers come to agreement.

Seriously, I love it how people are so "free market yippie!" and "capitialism rocks!" but as soon as someone posts a story about a union picketing its "ooooh unions are corrupt, unions are the debil!"

Unions are the natural product of both a democratic and capitalist society. Our constitution guarentees a right to assemble and capitalism relies heavily on the tenant that people have both a right to own property as well as their own labor.

I find it incredibly hysterical how many free market conservatives (aka republicans) hear the word union and have nothing but bad stuff to say about them, when a union is nothing more than a natural result of capitalism. Why do republicans hate capitalism so much?

Also you hear crap like this all the time:

quote:
Like an auto worker who stands on the assembly line, with a power wrench, tightening a few bolts on a car as it comes by. He'll make anywhere from $14 to $20 an hour, Union scale, PLUS have several REQUIRED breaks, an excellent health care plan and OSHA in his pocket. So, as a result that new car, which should cost around $5000 now costs around $10,000 that WE have to pay. Not to mention that car makers have cheapened cars to save money, like putting on plastic bumpers or no bumpers at all. Removing the once obligatory crash bars in the doors of passenger cars. Inventing that CHEAP and ridiculous tiny, little spare tire they used to give us, eliminating the very useful wing windows and removing the very sturdy A-frame or steel under chassis.

Yeah right, if you really believe labor is doubling the price of any product you purchase you need to stop listening to the corporate proganda. The cost of labor and materials involved with manufacturing any product is dwarfed in comparison to the costs of distribution, administration and marketing (advertising).

Basically companies cannot lower the price of gas. The CEO's and executives will not give themselves a pay cut or stream line thier management chains, and they have no control over the price of print, radio and television ads. The only thing they can "cut" to increase profit is labor.

Ever notice how whenever a company moves its manufacturing to Mexico or China you never see whatever piece of junk you are buying drop its price? Infact they usually go up don't they? Thats because companies are not interested in cutting their expenditures, but in increasing their profits.

The union picketing a funeral is no more idiotic than the health insurance company that refused to pay for that one guys liver transplant, even though they new he was going to die without it, or the mc donalds that kicked out a family where one person had some food from another establishment (the rest of the family had bought mc donalds) or the air line folks that forced a nursing mother to breast feed her baby in the bathroom and then locked her in there.

People do retarded shiat all the time, saying that unions are corrupt asshats as a whole is no more accurate than someone else claiming that mc donalds is run by fascist nazi's.

/godwinned

TF
 
2004-07-31 06:07:24 PM
The cemetary is their place of work. Lik eany other work. If the Bosses treated the workers better, they wouldnt strike.

Why dosnt the public get angry at the Cemetary Owner for not settling the disturbance with its workers? As a citizen, you should be angry that this owner wont treat his workers like YOU would like to be treated if your work was in the cemetary. Its always sad when people die, all our loved ones die, even the families of those Teamsters... But im sure the dead loved ones of the Teamsters would be happy if their dead-body waited a few days so that the Teamsters could afford to pay for college, his mortgage, etc, etc, etc and all the other things that they would wish for them.

It is the BOSS who should take the heat here.

If you dont support the rights of those workers to be treated better, than dont expect anyone to keep you from being exploited. Im sure *youd* like enough resources to feed, educate and enjoy your families... with some security.
 
2004-07-31 06:09:40 PM
There was a time when unions were necessary, that time has long since passed. I pissed off a lot of people at the hospital I worked at when I tried to get the union thrown out. It didn't work, but I'm proud that I tried.
fark unions.
/Ronaldus Magnus was right.
 
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