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(Chron)   Halliburton loses one of every three items of U.S. government property in Iraq; tells federal auditors to "go Cheney themselves"   ( chron.com) divider line
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2004-07-28 03:58:54 PM  
"The facts show that (KBR) has adequately managed the property for this mission by aggressively monitoring its property management functions above and beyond what is required for government approval of a property control system."

I love it. Not "we didn't lose the items", but "we did't lose anymore than what is usually lost" by any other government-funded sub-contractor.
 
2004-07-28 04:04:55 PM  
"The examination simply included projections that were based on limited sample groups that were not necessarily a representative selection amount, which could have provided a more accurate measure," Gist said in an e-mailed statement. "The facts show that (KBR) has adequately managed the property for this mission by aggressively monitoring its property management functions above and beyond what is required for government approval of a property control system."

I don't really get caught up in this "KBR and Halliburton are the spawn of Satan and Cheney" crap, but I know serious spin when I see it. That statement has every hallmark of "make up any crap you want to defend your mistakes" written all over it.
 
2004-07-28 04:14:34 PM  
I know why they can't find the stuff.
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2004-07-28 04:15:58 PM  
Nope. Nothing's happening here. No flames in sight.
-Hiroshima air-raid warden
 
2004-07-28 04:24:40 PM  
I think things would be better for Halliburton if they changed their name to "Halle-Berryton". Mmmmmmm...Cheney in a leather catsuit.
 
2004-07-28 07:18:46 PM  

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"They should have just said it was all smuggled
into Iran! In big crates! With the WMDs!
Who's up for murdering olive people?!"

 
2004-07-28 08:15:51 PM  
I think I'm going to lose one out of every three dollars on my taxes next year... The facts show that SafariShane has adequately managed the money for this year's taxes by aggressively monitoring its cash flow management functions above and beyond what is required for government approval of a property control system.
 
2004-07-28 09:36:43 PM  
It's probably just an excuse for them to pay Halliburton even more money to go find everything.
 
2004-07-28 09:37:50 PM  
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2004-07-28 09:38:38 PM  
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2004-07-28 09:39:44 PM  
Did they even have these items to begin with, or are they just making it up to hide the money the pocketed.

/don't believe they 'lost' 1/3 of their 'property'.
 
2004-07-28 09:41:09 PM  
As near as I can tell, we've been withholding money from Halliburton for the KBR problems for a while now.

Pentagon to Withhold $300 Million from Halliburton

If Cheney's trying to run a scam, you'd think he'd let Rumsfeld in on it. As it is, it looks like opportunism on KBR's part, and a bit of a body blow to the Cheney conspiracy theorists.
 
2004-07-28 09:41:34 PM  
Most of the stuff was probably blown up...here comes another documentary from Michael Moore's fat ass.
 
2004-07-28 09:42:12 PM  
I do not find any of this surprising, nor scandalous. The environment they are currently working in strikes me as the kind in which one expects lots of things to be destroyed, lost, or fall of the backs of a few trucks.
 
2004-07-28 09:42:21 PM  
All that stuff is in my apartment.

If the US Government will just pay for shipping I *promise* to send it all back...
 
2004-07-28 09:43:01 PM  
Excellent headline. Time for the floodgates of dumbass republicans to open.
 
2004-07-28 09:43:57 PM  
lolpix...

Yep.
 
2004-07-28 09:45:06 PM  
Well, if they have any Macs missing, I'm sure they could send P-p-power books! back.

/Trying to fan away from a flamewar again, like the one about to happen below this thread.
 
2004-07-28 09:46:24 PM  
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2004-07-28 09:47:08 PM  
Dammit - I can't read anymore of these threads....my head's gonna ASPLODE!

Pleeease someone put these assmonkeys on trial for theft & fraud! Everyday it's a new crime perpetrated by our gov't on us that's uncovered....I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!!


/out of meds - is it that apparent?
 
2004-07-28 09:47:09 PM  
I can tell you where all that lost propery is...

www.ebay.com

Heck, even a Halliburton exec has to eat.
 
2004-07-28 09:47:16 PM  
Terrible headline. Time for the floodgates of dumbass democrats to open.

/don't have any rational thought on this matter to express either
//not actually a republican
 
2004-07-28 09:47:16 PM  
Ah , good. I was feeling a bit cold.

/grabs some hotdogs and smores-makin's


FLAME ON!
 
2004-07-28 09:49:34 PM  
Don't know how accurate this article is but I wouldn't be surprised...
 
2004-07-28 09:51:26 PM  
I agree with lolpix come on, they're doing an excellent job! Even the military lost over 1/3 of thier stuff. right?
 
2004-07-28 09:51:47 PM  
It's not that the items were destroyed, it's that they can't be accounted for. If these things had been destroyed, that would still be accounted for.

Of course, I want to know what this entails. Were weapons part of what was lost? Tanks?
 
2004-07-28 09:52:04 PM  
"The examination simply included projections that were based on limited sample groups that were not necessarily a representative selection amount, which could have provided a more accurate measure,"

What in the hell is this bullshiat? Speak english, you lying corporate whore.

/completely fed up with this Halliburton crap.
 
2004-07-28 09:54:54 PM  
Now, in the spirit of running government like a business - would you be a complete and utter idiot to do business with a vendor who lost 1/3 of your stuff you paid for? Or what?
 
2004-07-28 09:57:21 PM  
Speedstick,

What they're trying to say is that the investigators just happened to inspect the one area where everything had been lost. In all other areas, however, nothing of any importance had been lost.

Yeah, it's bullshiat, I know. Whenever we were deployed, we had to keep strict accountability of all the high dollar shiat. You could lose a poncho or a uniform, and they wouldn't stress. But, you lose a computer or two, and it's your ass.

I don't see why Halliburton should be held to a lower standard of inventory accountability than the soldiers.

Anyone that's current or prior service: What would have happened to you if your unit just happened to lose a third of its equipment on deployment?
 
2004-07-28 09:58:00 PM  
Maybe they're responsible for all the socks I've lost in the wash....
 
2004-07-28 10:01:12 PM  
This in no way whatsoever reflects poorly upon the Bush administration's decision to give Halliburton these massive contracts with no competitive bids.

Everything Bush does is right, and when it's wrong, the Democrats are more wrong. Natch.
 
2004-07-28 10:02:40 PM  
I just ran out of cigarettes. DAMN YOU HALLIBURTON!
 
2004-07-28 10:03:32 PM  
You know I don't think people are degrading this thread into a flame war yet

come on people, live up to Fark.com lore
 
2004-07-28 10:06:28 PM  
Whoops?

I bet they lost all their hot cocoa sampler boxes!!!


//dumb cliches, better than the truth!
 
2004-07-28 10:06:49 PM  
Having been through an IRS audit recently, I wouldn't doubt if 6,000 of the 6,975 items missing were things like toilet paper and MREs.
 
2004-07-28 10:09:58 PM  
And WMD's
 
2004-07-28 10:10:24 PM  
Note to Government: The next time you decide to put a contractor in charge of logistics, try Federal Express.
 
2004-07-28 10:11:18 PM  
I would like to see just how much stuff any large organisation could actually find in a detailed inventory. Hell,even our local school district can't seem to find things that are supposed to be on the books. Add the confusion of war,and the general wastefulness of the military, and this will always be the result. This sort of thing has been ongoing since the Civil War,and it is not going to change. Nothing to see here, just leftys trying to undermine the war effort.
 
2004-07-28 10:11:58 PM  
I wonder if I can tell the IRS next year that 1/3 of the money I owe them has been "misplaced".

Maybe it would work if my name was Harry Burton or something.
 
2004-07-28 10:12:16 PM  
When I ran a department of an arts and crafts store we called it shrinkage. The typical shrinkage for the overall store was about 18-20% - and the big wigs were pretty happy about that! While I am not a fan of Haliburton, and I am very skeptical about the manner in which they got the contract, I have to say that, in my experience, it was very difficult to prevent relatively worthless inventory from being broken, stolen, and otherwise made non-saleable in one large arts and crafts store. I can not even imagine how Haliburton could do significantly better with assests distributed throughout an entire country, of Iraq's considerable size, which is actively in the the throws of a war.

I am all ears for suggestions.
 
2004-07-28 10:14:00 PM  
Kudos to fozzybear99 for his link to the classic "Ghost in a Snowstorm." Wouldn't have been my choice, but hey, there was NO BIDDING!

Everyone, I mean EVERYONE, knows that private enterprise is a trillion times more thrifty and efficient than wasteful, inefficient big government, so what's all this griping about? If we could only reduce government to a small and strangled powerless thing, we wouldn't have to worry about it awarding big contracts with NO BIDDING. Of course if that happened, Halliburton would be tossed off the gravy-train, but hey, that's laissez-faire free-market capitalism in action.
 
2004-07-28 10:15:20 PM  
No really, I'd do Michelle Malkin in the--

wait a second, how did I get into the Halliburton thread? Nevermind....
 
2004-07-28 10:15:40 PM  
They can't find it because it was never there in the first place. Halliburton just billed us for it.... And don't worry some nobody will get blamed for it as the people responsible will order another martini and fire up a Cohiba...
 
2004-07-28 10:16:30 PM  
jeep44,

I would like to see just how much stuff any large organisation could actually find in a detailed inventory.

It depends on how good your inventory system is and how well your people pay attention to detail.

When I was in the military, we'd have inspections of our inventory all the friggin time. This would include entire test vans, electronic diagnostic kits, toolboxes, thousands of pieces of tools, our gear, uniforms, etc. etc.

Occassionally, you'd be missing an item here or an item there.

But, if an inspection came up and we were missing 30% of our shiat, it would've been our asses.
 
2004-07-28 10:17:02 PM  
Hey lolpix, George Kastanza thought shrinkage was not typical.

But whatever.
 
2004-07-28 10:17:54 PM  
lolpix

When I ran a department of an arts and crafts store we called it shrinkage. The typical shrinkage for the overall store was about 18-20% - and the big wigs were pretty happy about that!


I think you misplaced a decimal point there, that or that store lost more than I can believe! When I was at a Target it was below 5% for the store (I'm not sure exactly what it was, but good months was below 2%)
 
2004-07-28 10:19:11 PM  
"Significat shrinkage!"
 
2004-07-28 10:23:10 PM  
clevershark

"I wonder if I can tell the IRS next year that 1/3 of the money I owe them has been "misplaced"."

Believe me, the IRS would have an issue with this. Unless you enjoy gangrape in a federal prison, you might want to fully disclose your 2004 earnings.
 
2004-07-28 10:23:18 PM  
Don't worry; President Kerry will take care of those bastards.
 
2004-07-28 10:25:17 PM  
Anyone who's ever worked in/with a government agency won't be surprised at this. Significant numbers of government employees (and I include military here, much as I love them) are, to put it bluntly, thieves. Try leaving an iPod on your desk or in your ruck and see how long it lasts. Whenever I have to install some new thingie at a military location, any cool items (like James Bond-looking telephone handsets, for example) have to be welded to it or hidden when I'm not there. I'm frankly surprised that we can field a military at all, given the propensity to steal everything that isn't nailed down.
 
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