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(SacBee)   Pregnant woman deported to Mexico claims unborn child is U.S. citizen, demands equal protection. ACLU to have field day with this   (sacbee.com ) divider line
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2004-07-27 09:31:52 AM  
sounds clear cut to me - ACLU needs to get back to banning christmas
 
2004-07-27 09:36:34 AM  
Dolt. RTFA - the ACLU isn't mentioned. It was a headline joke.
 
2004-07-27 10:30:13 AM  
idiot - doesn't realize when joke is being joked (troll the troll moron)
 
2004-07-27 10:45:33 AM  
Immigration officials say the pregnant Rubio was immediately deported after it was discovered her residency request had been denied two years before and that she had previously entered the country illegally and been deported.

I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for habitual lawbreakers.
 
2004-07-27 11:09:42 AM  
Bradkanus, lol. You know that strategy too? It almost never fails when using a bad troll's own type of style to bait them.
 
2004-07-27 11:15:45 AM  
"They also say under federal law the fetus is a viable human being and thus may be eligible for citizenship rights."

It may well be viable, but the law doesn't recognize it as such until it is born.

"The child was conceived in the United States and would have been born in the United States except that the mother was deported. "

How is this any different than if she left willingly? The child was not born in the US and as such isn't a US citizen.
 
2004-07-27 11:20:49 AM  
For such a bad bad place, everyone is still trying to get here.
 
2004-07-27 11:27:07 AM  
WTF, that bugs the shiat out of me. I hope she doesn't have a case.
 
2004-07-27 11:49:59 AM  
Well, Assistant_Madman pretty much summed up what I was going to say.

and I also agree with ZeNemo's sentiments.
 
2004-07-27 11:52:01 AM  
I like the idea. Its like a fun game to try to get across the border pregnant. That takes some moxy seriously. We should allow it and have side bets at Vegas. Just like with the East Germans in the "Wall Dash". We'll just kick a welfare case out to Mexico for every Mexican we let in.
 
2004-07-27 12:17:25 PM  
Well, you have to ask yourself. If the child is born here it makes it a US citizen. Are you willing to claim that an unborn fetus is a US citizen? Wouldn't that imply that it is living and has rights?

Might make the abortion rights guys heads explode if this builds into a real case.
 
2004-07-27 12:51:01 PM  
I don't understand the underlying reason for the law that "if you're born here, you're a citizen". Its completely ripe for abuse.

Shouldn't children just take the legal status of their parents until, say, they're 18?
 
2004-07-27 01:22:02 PM  
Since the US is so into nation building we should just have an open border between us and Mexico for the cheap labor pool. If this lady wants to come to America to make a better life for her and her kids, then let her- she can bring her relatives over and, if they are unskilled, they can get relatively low-paying jobs that no one else wants while trying to build a better future for their children. It's what my relatives did over a hundred years ago.
 
2004-07-27 01:57:09 PM  
The father is a US citizen - therefore the kid gets US citizenship regardless of whether the mother gives birth in the US or not.
 
2004-07-27 02:32:44 PM  
"They also say under federal law the fetus is a viable human being and thus may be eligible for citizenship rights."

If that's the case, then by the same logic abortion is murder...
 
2004-07-27 02:33:36 PM  
Hosebag Not true. Granted, the child will have an easier time immigrating and becoming naturalized, but will not have U.S. citizenship upon birth if not born in the U.S.
 
2004-07-27 02:33:58 PM  
Deport em all
 
2004-07-27 02:34:00 PM  
They need to tell all these immigrants that they're in America now - speak Spanish.
 
2004-07-27 02:34:08 PM  
Stupid. No citizenship rights to fetuses, otherwise Roe v Wade would've ended differently.
 
2004-07-27 02:35:25 PM  
I'm sorry...isn't this supposed to end with the cliche,

"-"?

I mean, really people. get back on your game!
 
2004-07-27 02:35:40 PM  
Shoot them both, problem solved.
 
2004-07-27 02:36:16 PM  
Somebody needs to find some damn WMD in Mexico already
 
2004-07-27 02:36:27 PM  
That should read...
"FB is the father"

why do the filters mock me.
 
2004-07-27 02:36:42 PM  
Great--let's think up more ways that folks can get into the US and get their hands in the ole welfare pot.

It's why I work for a living--to support every illegal alien mommy that can drop her kid just inside the border, or--if this goes through, every illegal alien mommy who can just get knocked up just inside the border.

/sarcasm becomes me
 
2004-07-27 02:36:58 PM  
For such a bad bad place, everyone is still trying to get here.

Wow, who is this "Everyone" you speak of? Is it the same "Everyone" who loves Raymond?

Sorry, I'm quite fine where I am, thank you very much.
 
2004-07-27 02:37:06 PM  
SockMonkeyHolocaust, Since the US is so into nation building we should just have an open border between us and Mexico for the cheap labor pool.

Don't kid. You just want to give the Mexican crime bosses freedom to work in the US as they please.
 
2004-07-27 02:37:21 PM  
Last one in is a rotten egg!
Or, in this case,
Last one in U.S. is an unborn fetus with questionable nationality!

/got nuthin'
 
2004-07-27 02:38:13 PM  
bradkanus

Shouldn't you be out getting someone's coffee?
 
2004-07-27 02:38:42 PM  
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAA PWN3D!


hoisted on your own petard you "life begins at conception" rednecks!
 
2004-07-27 02:38:57 PM  
Does the argument come out different when you read the father IS a US citizen and thinks, therefor, that his child-to-be will be one too? Why can't she stay in America if her husband is a US citizen?
 
2004-07-27 02:39:00 PM  
This is stupid. But on the other hand, it's got to annoy the hell out of the fundies who passed 'Connor's Law' to see it used like this, so that's good.
 
2004-07-27 02:40:25 PM  
very interesting; the fetus-rights crowd is no doubt scrambling to reconcile their bigotry with their "religious" zeal. probably not very hard for those who are also pro-death penalty
 
2004-07-27 02:40:28 PM  

"Immigration officials say the pregnant Rubio was immediately deported after it was discovered her residency request had been denied two years before and that she had previously entered the country illegally and been deported."


How safe do you feel now ? Bush does all the voodoo that he does so well to safe guard our "Homeland Security" and borders, and it's all easily defeated by a pregnant Mexican woman.


Not trying to make this a political thing, just pointing out the irony, is all.

 
2004-07-27 02:41:14 PM  
If that's the case, then by the same logic abortion is murder...

Well, isn't that what they were trying to do with Lacey and Connor's law? Just a little loophole to eventually outlaw abortion, right? So ha ha, fark 'em, I hope their legal manipulation leads to a whole clusterf*ck of messy issues to wade through.
 
2004-07-27 02:41:16 PM  
this is a great dilema for the left. which way will they go? if they say the unborn child is a citizen they undermine abortion rights, if not, they undermine the rights of illegal aliens. this will be fun to watch!
 
2004-07-27 02:41:44 PM  
Is FB- available to answer the question of paternity?

Or did that cliche get old really quick?

/in case the filters filter this the name is "eff bee minus"
 
2004-07-27 02:41:50 PM  
iwasrobot - my first thought as well. I guess it only starts at conception if you're white.
 
2004-07-27 02:42:09 PM  
Torc - what is 'Connor's Law'?
 
2004-07-27 02:42:11 PM  
If they can immigrate and be victims then clearly fetuses are the next big advertising category!

Need a cigarette that stays lit in the womb? Try Luckys!
 
2004-07-27 02:42:38 PM  
Ditto
Was I that transparent? Damn.
 
2004-07-27 02:43:11 PM  
What a big steaming pile of smelly bullshiat. The child would be viable at 8 months and so should be "treated" as if born in the us? That's crap!

It's bad enough the would-be immigrants themselves are reaching in this way, they have nothing to lose I suppose. But the lawyer who accepts a case like this is just an asshat. You know full well there's no way this would slide, what are you going for- publicity?

Our legal system allows for way too much wasting of time.
 
2004-07-27 02:43:17 PM  
It's what my relatives did over a hundred years ago.


Yea, right. What have you done for me lately? I am a foreign national, but I am here Legally. Open borders? What kind of fantasy world do you live in? Yes, they have open borders in Europe, but they had to give up some of their rights in order to achieve that. For example, since there are no borders, customs can do a cavity search any time they please. On the side of the road or in your home, and they don't need a court order. With the stupid Homeland Security Act, it appears that the US is headed in that direction. Why not secure the borders instead of than spying on your presumably innocent citizens.

I don't mind people coming to America, like my family did, to make a better life for themselves, but they must do so legally. I have no sympathy for those who habitually break the law, and the use the system to break it again. Did you know that in 2003 criminal aliens accounted "for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates." (From National Institute of Corrections, Federal Bureau of Prisons, June 2003) You are going to have a hard time convincing me they came here to work.
 
2004-07-27 02:43:54 PM  
bv2112 and others:

Roe v. Wade is not the applicable precedent here. The basis for this lady's argument uses the legislation passed after Roe v. Wade in an attempt to specify under what conditions abortion would be legal, and under what conditions a fetus is considered a legal human being.

The attempted proposal here is that if a fetus is considered to be legally a human being after a certain point, it should be given all the legal rights and opportunities a regular, post-natal human being would.

It certainly reveals some of the weirder potential applications of the pro-life legislation that has been passed, and may just seriously piss off the people who supported the passage of those laws in the first place.

But hey - you pass 'em, you live with their consequences. Even if it means fetuses can be named as parties in a lawsuit, or must be listed in arrest warrants to avoid claims of illegal imprisonment (though admittedly, that last one's a little out there even for MY thinking).
 
2004-07-27 02:44:25 PM  
I don't get it, if the father is a US citizen, shouldn't his wife and kid also be citizens? I assume the couple is married.
 
2004-07-27 02:44:57 PM  
This is just me now, and the opinion I express does not represent this site but,

I always think that most illegal immigrants are parasites. They always manage to fark up their own country and then want to fark up whatever country they manage to weasel into by dragging in their mindless, uneducated, child bearing, poverty ridden relatives with them. I see it here in Canada, and I saw at home in England. A lot of illegal immigrants are ungrateful and exploitive. That's why they're so vilified. It's not an issue of colour. It's an issue of who built the resources, and who exploits the rewards of the hard work.

~But that's just me.
 
2004-07-27 02:45:08 PM  
Duelist,

I have not read the article so everything I'm about to say may be for not. Does the article say that the father of the fetus and the mother are married? Or are you making an assumption because she is pregnant that she must be married? Like I said, I haven't read the article yet so I don't kow the answer. I thought I would respond to your post though.
 
2004-07-27 02:45:24 PM  
Bill Steel

will that asshole Jim Hahn dare to use Roe v. Wade as an argument against this family? I would break my spleen laughing if i heard that in a press conference.
 
2004-07-27 02:45:24 PM  
Ain't lawyering grand??? You get to think up this ridiculous stuff...
 
2004-07-27 02:45:38 PM  
Yellow Number Five

I don't get it, if the father is a US citizen, shouldn't his wife and kid also be citizens? I assume the couple is married.


...and you know what happens when you assume...
 
2004-07-27 02:45:57 PM  
The504 Might make the abortion rights guys heads explode if this builds into a real case.

I was thinking that it will make the "pro-choice" heads explode. Because they don't give a damn once the child is born. They can starve then. And I think most are middle class whites. To have Mexican women come here to have babies so they will become citizens, well, that's to much for the right wing nut jobs.
 
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